Bugs!!!! Wtf!!!!

SamWaterstone

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Here's a pic of a big black mofo' that was chillin' on my main stem! Tried to Match him to a chart where it shows beneficial insects and destructive insects but it didnt match any of them.

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ALSO; i fed today with nutes and saw a bunch of super small white insects crawling up. I tried taking pictures but they are extremely small and fast. Wouldn't even notice them if they weren't moving. they DO have legs and antennas, i think, so i don't think they fall in the larva category. do larva move like caterpillars? these moved like centipedes.

WHICH ALSO Reminds me, i saw a gray centipede only ONCE out of my soil (roots organics 707.) Could it have laid eggs???

And i've been seeing some really small flying insects as well. look like fruit flies. Could these have spawn from the small white insects?

Now that this is happening, i remember way back when i was germinating my seed, i got trigger happy and filled my pots with soil and they sat there for a while when my seeds were germinating. I then noticed all these fruit flies flying around my closet. Since my soil is Organic, is this all normal>?

I did some research online and found this thread on grass city:

http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/773727-little-white-bugs-my-soil-these-soil-mites-harmful-%5Bhd-video%5D.html


My small white bugs look like this, but much, much smaller and i've only seen them crawl out of the soil. They don't walk around my leaves. YET!

[video=youtube;fyrTJPNfuQM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fyrTJPNfuQM[/video]

on that same thread, i found this information too, which did put my mind at ease, a bit.:

hi guys, i spent days stressing about this problem and if they jump and come to the surface when watering then they are definately springtails.
this is the most accurate information you will ever find on the subject.
took me a long time to find it but is 100% accurate.

Not only are springtails harmless to the garden, but their presence
indicates good soil health. Their diet consists of decaying matter,
fungus, & bacteria, & their activity helps keep nitrogen in the soil. A
radical explosion in their population might be an indicator that something
in the organic balance is out of wack, though it probably means only that
there are excesses of mushroom spoors which can increase springtail
populations since springtails go after the mushroom spoors like kids after
halloween candy, & a black springtail called "snowflea" even hops around
after snowfall gathering up fungal spoors from the surface of the snow. If
springtails vanish that means the microflora is probably also missing or
that soil is never sufficiently moist to support either springtails or
microflora. In which case the plants will be at great risk too.

Attempting to get rid of them by drying out the garden would be equally
harmful to microflora, only the springtails would weather the drought
better by moving to moist areas & estivating, or in unusual cases "heading
for cool shelter" which will mean the house, where they will accumulate in
bathrooms & kitchens, & not leave until it's moist outdoors again. A large
indoor infestation without an outdoor drought can be a warning-sign of
mold problems inside the structure or leaky plumbing somewhere undetected.
Insecticides won't get rid of them if there are condensation or moisture
problems in the house, but correcting leaks & moisture problems or
installing a dehumidifier gets rid of them.

Some springtails are so small they will never be seen by the even
moderately farsighted. Tinier-than-average varieties are encountered in
potted indoor plants, but they restrict their activity to the soil & don't
spread elsewhere in the house, & are not harming houseplants.

There is ONE North American exception to the general harmlessness of the
genus. A rounded stumpy flea-like springtail (Bourletiella hortensis) eats
the delicate roots of evergreen tree seedlings, so if you are growing
evergreen seedlings & had a population explosion of this flealike pest,
that could be bad news. Few are the gardeners with lots of tree seedlings,
so the primary bad history for this critter is in tree farms & ornamental
tree nurseries of the Pacific Northwest, where their feeding habits reduce
emergence or cause deformities of western hemlock, sitka spruce, & other
evergreens, & cause lesions in developing bark where harmful fungus can be
established. They are most active in summer & would be dormant now. When
present & active they are easily detected by laying a white piece of paper
on the soil & then blowing on or fanning the soil around the edges of the
paper; if they are present in sufficient numbers to be harmful to
evergreen seedlings, several will jump onto the white surface of the
paper. But if what one sees are ELONGATED springtails (& most of the
numerous species are elongated) then these are invariably harmless.

A similarly primitive insect (far older than true insects) is the jumping
bristletail. They're very nocturnal & feed primarily on the types of algae
& lichens that grow on forest floors in leaf & needle litter. They can be
very common in moist coastal forests where fallen leaves & debris are
thick, which material jumping bristletails help turn into topsoil. They
are rarely numerous in gardens. If there were many, you'd see them by
turning over a piece of lumber or flat piece of bark. As with springtails,
bristletails are harmless, & though they do eat living plant matter, it's
only algae & lichens, not higher plants.

Although springtails are a sign of good healthy soil & ideal plant
conditions, many vendors of various pesticides recommend getting rid of
them. Because chemical vendors don't care to distinguish between what is
helpful & what is harmful, they just want to sell more of their products.

Even if there were an imaginary reason to control them, the method would
be to clean up the leaflitter from the garden. I'd never do this because
springtail activity in leaflitter is a great source of garden nutrients
that helps do away with the need to artificially fertilize. But if I had a
phobia about springtails I'd sweep up all the leaves & that would
automatically lower the springtail population.
 
sorry to hear your bad luck with bugs.....you have to start killing the bastards before they impact your plant.

There are bug traps....and if that don't work you will need to bring in weapons of mass destruction...AKA chemical warfare
 
Go down to the dollar store or wally world and get some "Fly Strips" of Fly paper/rolls and put it around your grow...
H2O2 unless you are organic, spray every bug you see, spritz them, where ever they land...
Insect soap... hurry before they take over...

BTW... I have found, that Over 84 degrees the bugs wake up, and start doing bug things...

Hurry before it's too late... H2O2 also works for Powdery Mildew, and is not poison to smoke or drink...

Good Luck...
 
Damn, was hoping to read: "no worries man, those are good bugs."

But i spent all Morning cleaning out my closet: Took EVERYTHING out. put stickies on floor and sprayed bug poison under my wall moldings and door entrance. I put both my exhaust and intake fans on MAX BLAST to dry out the chemicals.

Ima' have to go to the "Grow" store and talk with my peeps. Think im going to go bio-chemical warfare because i believe there are Hundreds of those small, white bugs.

GGGGGRRRRR!!!!
 
what sand said get some fly paper hang that up and then get some solo cups fill them with water and a bit of dish soap and a lil honey or cider vinegar if you have it and set those in there. Then grab some neem oil it is an organic insecticide make a spray with a little of it water and a bit of dish soap and spray this - if your plants are flowering do not folair just spray the soil also make sure the solution is warm or the neem oil will solidify and clog your spray bottle. You could also take a vacuum to your plants or bring it in with you the next time you water and suck up as many of the fuckers as you can.

No those are not centipedes ...... you would be in luck if you had some of them; they would go eat the other bugs
 
You might try spraying a pesticide on the ground around your pot. Then at least the fuckers will die on their way to the plant. =)
 
Technical Dan! You're the Man!

Here are some pics of my baby:
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Before i realized the Bug Problem, i was having the Leaf Curl and Droopy Leaf problem. At first i was told that it was Nitrogen Toxicity; that was 5 days ago, and I have not seen major browning of the leaves. Throughout her lifetime i've only fed her once a week along with her nutrients. Just One Full Gallon and She's in a 10 gallon Fabric Pot. I was told that this was insufficient water and that i should water more often with less water. So on her last feeding schedule, i only gave her 1.5 gallons of pure R.O. water set @ 6.5pH. She did prop up a bit but then back down. Could she be suffering from under-watering????

hope i;m not being a pest with all my questions. Hopefully one day, i can be answering more questions on this forum and lend a hand to the newbies.


Sam.

p.s.

Soil: Roots Organics 707
Nutes: Roots Organics 5ml Master Feeding Schedule.
Light. Apollo 600w MH Still in Veg mode for one more week.
 
Hey op! Neem oil is very good for keeping bugs and insects away from your plants. It's completely natural and will not harm your crops. But it's used more as a preventative than a solution to a current bug problem. It should still help a little though. Just a tip! Check into it :leaf:
 
you gotta be careful what type of poison you're using , some systemics stay in the plant a good long time and are also toxic. anytime I even see a bug I'm busting out the pyganic (I'm out of pyganic and ordered some Riptide at half the price, the only difference in pyganic is its totally organic while most other pyrethrin based insecticide contain one chemical PBO).
If I'm doing soil at the time I'll do a weak soil drench to flush any pests out of hiding and then right after that totally cover the room with an airless paint sprayer filled with pyrethrin insecticide.
 
with the watering just develop a practice that works for you= water when the plants want water ..... just watch them you'll figure it out, I have never used bags so IDK if it will work well but I frequently go by pot weight so that means learning how heavy a wet pot is compared to a dry one. itll be heavy lifting that 10 gal you could try the finger method. With the drooping plants ... plants have different preferences some seem to enjoy drier soil others like moist & they'll move their leaves/ stipules around n whatever. Just make sure you have a cycle- let it dry out (not bone dry) between waterings so dont water when it has water e.g. dont keep the roots wet.
 
I have a fabric Pot. Can the chemicals seep through the fabric and into my Soil?

Don't spray your pot.

Just spray AROUND IT. don't you have a water tray? That should keep chemicals away from fabric.

Be happy you don't have fungus gnats. Those bitches are annoying. Crawlies are easy to keep in check.
 
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