Bushmaster and gravity discontinued?

JELLYPHISH

JELLYPHISH

Member
I was wondering if anyone else has heard of gravity and bushmaster being pulled off the shelf?i was stoked to finally go and get these products my friend kept ranting and raving about the results(pretty much rubbing it in!!)so i go to the hydro shop and ask for them and was told that they were pulled do to hazerdous materials in the mix. I have always only used gh products in my hydro and some earth juice here and there, i was going to change it up this go around and got the news anyone else hear or kno of this? Glad i held off cuz i jus re uped on my nutes before this cycle and didnt want to waste anymore money
 
ChronicClouds

ChronicClouds

Active Member
I think the company is being sued for some shit. I heard it was over how they labeled their ingredients, but that was about a year ago and I see them selling products everywhere still. I have heard good things about all their products. I use the snow storm but only at about 1ml per gallon. (I noticed a difference in trichrome production with my naked eye!)
 
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The Real Bob Barker

Member
I know for a fact that Emerald Triangle is still making all four of there products, Purple Maxx, Snow Storm Ultra, Gravity and Bushmaster. I have been on the phone with them several times over the last few months trying to get a FULL answer to there products. What I have managed to put together is that the Primary ingredient is Methylene Glycol, which is considered to be an inert ingredient but from my research is is actually a ripening agent. Snow Storm and Purple Maxx contain a set of B vitamins. Gravity and Bushmaster contain Sea Kelp which is actually a vessel for a natural PGR triacontanol. Also the last piece of the puzzle I am trying to pry from there cold fingers is weather there Bushmaster does indeed contain Paclobutrazol (I think it does) And this is probably the item your local Hydro Shop freaked out over. Paclobutrazol is listed a a Pesticide/Poison in most country's. It is a synthetic hormone primarily in ornamental house plants, it stops all vertical growth, and inturn encourages outward "bush like" vegitive growth and "tighter" flowering growth.
Paclobutrazol is used often and safely (I think) to grow pot to encourage tight buds or to discourage stretched out and spindly buds like is common with certian strains. But it is listed as a Poison and does NOT decompose or break down in any way, so it will stay in your soil/growing medium and will then stunt any now growth you plant into it in the future (so you cant reuse any medium).
All other ingredient I listed are totally safe (for sure), but there unwillingness to be honest about what is ACTUALLY in the Bushmaster is going to make any reputable Hydro Shop weary.

And if any one (Phill) from Emerald Triangle disagrees with my statement pick up the phone and give me a clear answer next time I call. And I will make any changes necessary.
 
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twisterbilly

Active Member
The Real Bob Barker said:
I know for a fact that Emerald Triangle is still making all four of there products, Purple Maxx, Snow Storm Ultra, Gravity and Bushmaster. I have been on the phone with them several times over the last few months trying to get a FULL answer to there products. What I have managed to put together is that the Primary ingredient is Methylene Glycol, which is considered to be an inert ingredient but from my research is is actually a ripening agent. Snow Storm and Purple Maxx contain a set of B vitamins. Gravity and Bushmaster contain Sea Kelp which is actually a vessel for a natural PGR triacontanol. Also the last piece of the puzzle I am trying to pry from there cold fingers is weather there Bushmaster does indeed contain Paclobutrazol (I think it does) And this is probably the item your local Hydro Shop freaked out over. Paclobutrazol is listed a a Pesticide/Poison in most country's. It is a synthetic hormone primarily in ornamental house plants, it stops all vertical growth, and inturn encourages outward "bush like" vegitive growth and "tighter" flowering growth.
Paclobutrazol is used often and safely (I think) to grow pot to encourage tight buds or to discourage stretched out and spindly buds like is common with certian strains. But it is listed as a Poison and does NOT decompose or break down in any way, so it will stay in your soil/growing medium and will then stunt any now growth you plant into it in the future (so you cant reuse any medium).
All other ingredient I listed are totally safe (for sure), but there unwillingness to be honest about what is ACTUALLY in the Bushmaster is going to make any reputable Hydro Shop weary.

And if any one (Phill) from Emerald Triangle disagrees with my statement pick up the phone and give me a clear answer next time I call. And I will make any changes necessary.
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Very incorrect information. Bushmaster and Gravity both contain Paclobutrazol. Lab analysis for these products is here http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html

CDFA Lab Test Results in Brief
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
 
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8thowwow

New Member
Humboldts own is still making and selling both gravity and bushmaster just not in Cali. The problem was incorrect product labeling. They stated it was a kelp extract. I had known since its release that it contained hormones. I've used it since day one. If your set on continuing to use it and live in Cali u can order on amazon or e bay. Or buy bush load a new product from gen hydro. That also contains paclobute it's on shelves on Cali cause its labeled.
 
murdergrow

murdergrow

Active Member
DO NOT USE THESE PRODUCTS!

Artificial and chemical PGR(plant growth regulators) should not be used on plants that are fit for human consumption. If you had a couple houseplants or flowering plants then these products like Gravity and Bushmaster would be ok to use if you felt like it, but anything you are going to eat, smoke, or ingest otherwise should be free and clear of these products. This is especially true if you are trying to label your product as medicinal. I can see some underground grow in it for the profit using these products to increase yield and make more money(although I still dont think its right), but if you are growing a medical plant then there is absolutely no excuse to expose your patients to these horrible substances.

Heres a little extra reading on the subject:
http://bigbudsmag.com/grow/article/marijuana-general-hydroponics-sunlight-supply-hydrofarm-pgrs
 
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bigbaby420

Well-Known Member
blah blah fkn blah I can tell u from experience with all the products that u can reuse the medium.. I was using coco. I just flushed flushed flushed and hit it with hygrozyme and after harvest I let it dry out and repotted my seedlings in it and no problems.. iv been using the line of products for 2 years.. and no worries. if u don't wanna use it . don't use the shit. but don't be sitting here slandering the nute line with bs propaganda..
 
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