Butters' 400w SCROG Perpetual w/ Coco Hempy Style - Various Strains
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Hi All,
No worries! I'm still here.
Ive barely been posting since my laptop conked out on me and I haven't been able to post pics.
Still been on RIU doin tons of research as always though.
The grow op is still doin pretty darn well if I don't say so myself. The perpetual is now in full effect and it's typically been 2 plants in flower (staggered by 1 month) and 2 in veg.
I'm yielding between 7oz to 9oz per plant. Still just using the single 400wHPS too.
I did a couple of white rhinos after the BV that I was growing in this journal. The rhinos were great and had excellent growing conditions with the new england winter that we had.
Currently, I have Pineapple Express going. 1 is about 2-3 weeks away from harvest. I was really hoping to be able to get 10oz off of it but I think it's gonna fall a little shy of that mark.
I plan on running the PE all the way through summer as it's very easy to clone (yes, I finally have a good success rate on cloning) and should be rather resistant to the soon-to-be high temps of the summer. Stuff smells incredible!
I'm currently problem solving for the future heat issues which I'll hit soon. The downside of growing in a basement is that I have no windows, effectively ruling out any portable AC units and most other methods of cooling off a space. I plan to try connecting ducting (attached to the air-cooled hood) that pulls rather cold air from a cooler filled with ice, water, and a boatload of salt (salt lower freezing temps on all liquids). Not sure how it'll work but it's only gonna cost me like $20 to try so I figured what the heck.
I will eventually have pics up again to show the op in...well...operation. Just need to get that darn laptop fixed.
I'll make sure to get my lazy butt over to check out the grow journals fellas! I'm afraid that in my research I've forgotten to check in on the journals I was scribed to.
Thanks for checkin in.
-Butters
No worries! I'm still here.
Ive barely been posting since my laptop conked out on me and I haven't been able to post pics.
Still been on RIU doin tons of research as always though.
The grow op is still doin pretty darn well if I don't say so myself. The perpetual is now in full effect and it's typically been 2 plants in flower (staggered by 1 month) and 2 in veg.
I'm yielding between 7oz to 9oz per plant. Still just using the single 400wHPS too.
I did a couple of white rhinos after the BV that I was growing in this journal. The rhinos were great and had excellent growing conditions with the new england winter that we had.
Currently, I have Pineapple Express going. 1 is about 2-3 weeks away from harvest. I was really hoping to be able to get 10oz off of it but I think it's gonna fall a little shy of that mark.
I plan on running the PE all the way through summer as it's very easy to clone (yes, I finally have a good success rate on cloning) and should be rather resistant to the soon-to-be high temps of the summer. Stuff smells incredible!
I'm currently problem solving for the future heat issues which I'll hit soon. The downside of growing in a basement is that I have no windows, effectively ruling out any portable AC units and most other methods of cooling off a space. I plan to try connecting ducting (attached to the air-cooled hood) that pulls rather cold air from a cooler filled with ice, water, and a boatload of salt (salt lower freezing temps on all liquids). Not sure how it'll work but it's only gonna cost me like $20 to try so I figured what the heck.
I will eventually have pics up again to show the op in...well...operation. Just need to get that darn laptop fixed.
I'll make sure to get my lazy butt over to check out the grow journals fellas! I'm afraid that in my research I've forgotten to check in on the journals I was scribed to.
Thanks for checkin in.
-Butters
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So good to know that you and your plants are doing well! 
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Sure. Lollipopping is simply cutting all of the side growth from the lower 3rd of the plant. The bottom 1/3 of the plant is typically not getting enough light to result in good strong buds. This is where we end up getting those loose "popcorn" buds that aren't too potent. By lollipopping, cutting that lower 1/3 forces the growth that would be popcorn buds to the top of the plant, which is getting the better lighting and resulting in better buds. In a scrog, you would essentially lollipop anything below the screen.
Personally, I have a different theory/method on how to perceive lollipopping. I don't necessarily just lollipop the lower 3rd of the plant. I base it more on lighting now and what is referred to as the "Flower Box". Each HPS wattage has it's own ideal range for adequate lighting to grow
. Also referred to as light penetration. For example:I use a single 400w hps to flower my plant. A 400wHPS has an ideal flower box of 15" vertically and a 3' by 3' on the horizontal plane. So, to maximize my yields, I created a 3' by 3' screen. Then, as my plant starts to flower and come through the screen, I start measuring 15" downward from my light. My goal in lollipopping is to keep all of the horizontal growth within that 15" range. This usually means trimming up more than just the lower 3rd of the plant, hence my disagreement with the typical practice of lollipopping the lower 3rd.
-Butters
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Hey All,
Sorry for the lack of pics but I haven't had much luck since the site update. That pic above is a bit on the crappy side and only started working a couple of days ago.
I harvested the Pineapple express this past weekend. It ended up being only 8oz, well short of the 10oz goal. That being said, the plant looked so stressed in that final month of the grow that I imagine I can vastly improve on this yield. The other PE plant that was in the flower tent with it has about 5 more weeks to go but it will endure similar if not worse stresses.
The stress that I think occurred here happened as a result of my hempy bucket design. Basically, I failed to flush the reservoir with any consistency
dunce so there must've been a TON of nute and salt buildup, hence the stress for that final month.
As a result, I'm dumping the hempy buckets and using good ole fashioned 2 gallon grow pots. In a little over a month, I'll be getting in some of those new Airpots to try and improve on the op. So far, I have 6 clones in veg waiting to be topped, bushed out, and then put into flower in about a month, staggered by about 1 month each.
I had been running just a staggered scrog with only 2 monstrous plants up until this point. Now, that will be changed to running 4 plants in flower, 2 put in to start, and the other 2 added one month after that. Through topping, fimming, and LSTing, I'm hopping to get these 4 nice and bushy. The screen will be used in the flower tent only, in order to try and keep an even canopy so that each plant, regardless of age, will gets its equal amount of light.
I'm thinking that this set up will yield me considerably more. With those giant plants that I was growing, any mistake I made effected the entire plant. Which sucked a bit cuz I do make lots of mistakes
I'm planning on being able to pull 4-5oz per plant in this set up so we'll see how it goes.
Oh yeah, the smoke report! Okay, well, the PE is definitely the real deal.
Quite the "zone out" weed. The aroma and taste are truly top notch. Easily the best I've ever had in terms of scent and taste. But if you plan on growing this strain, make sure to have proper odor control! The high is great and long lasting. More in the head than in the body. I certainly liked it enough to run this strain through the summer.
Speaking of summer, it's only the 1st week of June and I've already been hitting over 90 degrees in the tent. Here we go again! How does one get cold air into a basement that has no windows without spending a fortune? I have a funny feeling that I'm actually going to be growing in 90 degree heat in that tent for a couple of months. Yikes! 
I'll get up pics as soon as I sort out how the heck to load them onto the site without wanting to throw the computer.
Thanks for checking in all!
-Butters
Sorry for the lack of pics but I haven't had much luck since the site update. That pic above is a bit on the crappy side and only started working a couple of days ago.
I harvested the Pineapple express this past weekend. It ended up being only 8oz, well short of the 10oz goal. That being said, the plant looked so stressed in that final month of the grow that I imagine I can vastly improve on this yield. The other PE plant that was in the flower tent with it has about 5 more weeks to go but it will endure similar if not worse stresses.
The stress that I think occurred here happened as a result of my hempy bucket design. Basically, I failed to flush the reservoir with any consistency
dunce so there must've been a TON of nute and salt buildup, hence the stress for that final month.As a result, I'm dumping the hempy buckets and using good ole fashioned 2 gallon grow pots. In a little over a month, I'll be getting in some of those new Airpots to try and improve on the op. So far, I have 6 clones in veg waiting to be topped, bushed out, and then put into flower in about a month, staggered by about 1 month each.
I had been running just a staggered scrog with only 2 monstrous plants up until this point. Now, that will be changed to running 4 plants in flower, 2 put in to start, and the other 2 added one month after that. Through topping, fimming, and LSTing, I'm hopping to get these 4 nice and bushy. The screen will be used in the flower tent only, in order to try and keep an even canopy so that each plant, regardless of age, will gets its equal amount of light.
I'm thinking that this set up will yield me considerably more. With those giant plants that I was growing, any mistake I made effected the entire plant. Which sucked a bit cuz I do make lots of mistakes
I'm planning on being able to pull 4-5oz per plant in this set up so we'll see how it goes.
Oh yeah, the smoke report! Okay, well, the PE is definitely the real deal.
Quite the "zone out" weed. The aroma and taste are truly top notch. Easily the best I've ever had in terms of scent and taste. But if you plan on growing this strain, make sure to have proper odor control! The high is great and long lasting. More in the head than in the body. I certainly liked it enough to run this strain through the summer. Speaking of summer, it's only the 1st week of June and I've already been hitting over 90 degrees in the tent. Here we go again! How does one get cold air into a basement that has no windows without spending a fortune?
I have a funny feeling that I'm actually going to be growing in 90 degree heat in that tent for a couple of months. Yikes! I'll get up pics as soon as I sort out how the heck to load them onto the site without wanting to throw the computer.
Thanks for checking in all!
-Butters
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No worries mate. You're gonna love using coco. Easy as all hell. Just be sure to use coco-specific nutrients. I would highly recommend Canna Coco A+B. They're surprisingly inexpensive and will get you through a good number of grows (available on amazon.com if local hydro stores don't carry it). Also, I would strongly recommend picking up some type of PK 13/14 supplement. I use Canna PK 13/14 and it does the trick (slightly more pricey than the A+B but it will get you through dozens and dozens of grows...seriously). A CalMg supplement is usually needed as well but those are usually just like $20 and will last a good number of grows as well.
Here's a couple of tips.
1) For starters, DON'T USE A HEMPY STYLE BUCKET!!!
....I say this mostly poking fun at myself. If you don't already know, a hempy bucket is essentially a container for the medium in which, instead of having holes on the bottom of the bucket for drainage, you'd put one slightly larger hole about 2" up from the bottom of the bucket. The idea is that this creates a resevoir for the plant to access water and nutrients so it wouldn't be a big deal if it was underwatered for a couple of days. Coco naturally retains the proper water to air ratio where this really isn't needed, and in my lazy-ass case ended up doing quite a bit of damage to my grows.
2) Never feed just straight water to coco. Only during flush should this occur and even then it's iffy. Always try and add some nutrient mix into the water before you pour it to the coco. Pretty much every seasoned coco veteran says to do this. This is a pretty big adjustment from soil. But coco is WAY more hydro than it is soil, despite the fact that it may look more like soil than hydro.
3) Learn how often you need to water/feed your plant in this particular medium. A good test for this is to hold off on watering/feeding for a little bit until you see the leaves start to look droopy. Once you see that, it means that they need some water/food. Just feed them after this occurs and wait about 20 minutes and take a look at your plant now. You'll see that it's already fully restored. Pretty wild thing to see. Once you know how long it can go without any feeding/watering (feeding and watering are really the same exact thing in coco so I apologize about the repitition boss), then you'll have a good sense about how often you'll need to do so. Eventually, you'll be able to tell just by the weight of it when you pick your pot up.
4) For good coco advice, look up grower names of "jberry", "ZEN MASTER", "MBlaze", and "bender420". They are all very experienced in using coco and have a shitload of knowledge about it.
Any questions, just post in my thread and I'll see if I've got any answers boss.
- Butters