kanye is a very thourough and good producer/artist... if you dont think so then you dont know much about the music industry and the genre of hiphop. it's a shame to see a producer/artist such as himself being portrayed as a shit artist. i admit he ruined his 808's cd by auto-tuning everysingle song on there but take a look at his career from day 1... nothing but progress, and of course there is going to be some haters since those hatin ass people arent talented or creative enough to be as good!