Cab Grow fan cycle problems

mrfake

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ok, i'm at my girlfriends appt so I dont have all the resources but...... unless you are growing in an air compressor (or a vacuum) there will be no effect of pressure on your plants. period. If there is a 1 psi (pound per square inch) difference between the outside of your cabinet and inside that means there will be a 10368 pound force on your cabinet walls (48" wide, 24"deep, 72" tall), and one psi is NOTHING.

My buddy oversees the greenhouse at The University of ******* and they are doing experiments in TOTALLY sealed greenhouses. They have a system that moves the roof tiles to regulate sunlight, pumps that monitor pH, industrial natural gas burners to keep CO2 constant, ppm readers that regulate the aero nutrient solutions, swamp coolers to adjust humidity, and a team of people to oversee that. The computer system has 18 variables. Not to mention every-other-day they send their solutions out to a lab to get a spectrum analysis readout on whats in their water.. to see EXACTLY what the plants are using. They have to measure the leaves every 3 hours 24/7 to keep track of growth.
They're doing this to figure out how to grow and propagate food in sealed environments (like pods on the moon, space station, or mars). The limiting factor is the pressure and atmospheric conditions people can take, not plants.

Anyhoo.... its good that you have your light sealed from the enviro and air being pushed through it. Good idea. How hot can you get the cabinet at the height of a top cola would be (with light, light fan, and an internal circulating fan going)? Thats the ONLY number you should be worried about. Again, less than 90 you are GOLDEN, if not your system just wont work with you're doing unless you are perpetually wasting gas (which is what you want to do). I know FOR SURE that 85 degrees with +-1500 ppm CO2 rocks. I understand right next to the glass is really hot but who cares? what matters is what the top of the top cola feels right before harvest. I know you dont want to hear this again, but you really could grow one really nice plant in that space with a 250Watt HPS and then heat issues disappear. But don't ask me.. I'm new at this whole botany thing.
 

munch box

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That makes good sense to me. If it is just one psi like you mentioned then I don't see how that would affect the plants. As you mentioned earlier in this thread. Once the walls expand to the point of air seeping out the cracks, the intake fan is no longer able to push large ammounts of fresh air in the room. The fan is not powerful enouph , and the cab is not air tight enouph to create a reverse suction affect. So the only option left for the fan to do is just "spin" pushing much lower cfm. It seems as though the increase in cabin pressure is minimal, and will most likely have no affect on the plants. Do you have any links mrfake, or references? A concern of mine also that I'm having with an increase in cabin pressure is that i don't know what the wind conditions are like in there, cuz i can't see with the door zipped and everything sealed. I know that when plants are growing they like a slight breeze to help build strong branches, but how high mph winds are too much for a mature plant?

The cannibus grow bible page 92 on the heat/co2 issue word for word:
"If you reach a level of 1500 ppm for co2 in your grow roomyou are allowed an increase of temp to 95 degrees because the increased co2 levels allow plants to grow in these temps. without stressing them. If this does heat stress your plants then try to increase your plants to 2000 ppm, which should be better for your plants in temps. of 95F"

I'm not disagreeing with you that the best temps to grow cannibus at are in the mid 80's even with co2, But i find it interesting how the bible did not say anything about lowering the temp below 95F in the event of heat stress. Instead to increase co2 dosage +500ppm
 

tahoe58

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hey MB...I just realized that your "sealed" setup is very similar to what the BloomBox has - a compartment with the light and ventilation separated from the "grow" chamber by a pane of glass. So I think I am better understanding your question now. I'm sorry that I have relatively little direct experience and therefore little aadvice.....other than conceptually, what you are trying to do should work. The system works extremely well in my case.

Regarding tmeps and CO2. I also have read that the temp is better to be higher with the addition of CO2. In my case, I have my temps 65-75 and the CO2 and maybe I am wasting some of my effort but I am pleased with hte results as well. I am unable to get my temps any higher, the box is in the garage, and I already have a heater in behind it feeding the intake fan. I had hoped to have higher temps but again, don't complain because my results are totally satisfactory for me.

Good luck man, and I'll keep watching your efforts!
 

munch box

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chilly bro. chilly. 65 is good for the dark period, but canibus needs warmth for photosynthesis. I don't have a lot of experience growing in cold temperatures, nor do I know people who do. your sitting on the cusp for a lot of strains tolerance to cold. If your plants are doing fine though like you said, then you've got nothing to worry about. How much light are you running? How well insulated is your grow area/box?

As far as what set up looks similar to mine and how i got the idea to turn my 2 plant ScROG into an 8 site sog was was this grow cab here. check it out .... can't find the ebay posting right now, but i'm sure more will be back on again later. Its made by a company called In House Hydro.
 

mrfake

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You should install a cpu fan or two on your cab walls that runs 24/7 that blows on your plant tops to circulate air internally. They're quiet and use a immeasurable amount of power, at least compared to the light.

There are a lot of solutions to heat stress..

1. solve the heat source problem
2. add a cooling element
3. boost co2
4. massive air flow

I prefer 1 and supplement it with 3.

If you rely totally on gas to help you what happens when the tank runs out and you're not there, at that instant, making out with your plants? I hope you like cooked greens because thats what you'll get.
 

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tahoe58

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400w HPS...not insulated at all. thats something I will work on after this first grow is done. they may be slower and less growth....but for now....they certainly seem to be within the realm of averages when I look at others hear. there a many references that suggest 75-80 is the optimum gowing temp. cheers man, and thanks for the feedback. :blsmoke:
chilly bro. chilly. 65 is good for the dark period, but canibus needs warmth for photosynthesis. I don't have a lot of experience growing in cold temperatures, nor do I know people who do. your sitting on the cusp for a lot of strains tolerance to cold. If your plants are doing fine though like you said, then you've got nothing to worry about. How much light are you running? How well insulated is your grow area/box?

As far as what set up looks similar to mine and how i got the idea to turn my 2 plant ScROG into an 8 site sog was was this grow cab here. check it out .... can't find the ebay posting right now, but i'm sure more will be back on again later. Its made by a company called In House Hydro.
 

munch box

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400w HPS...not insulated at all. thats something I will work on after this first grow is done. they may be slower and less growth....but for now....they certainly seem to be within the realm of averages when I look at others hear. there a many references that suggest 75-80 is the optimum gowing temp. cheers man, and thanks for the feedback. :blsmoke:
75-80 is good. thats more like it. 65 with the light on will/is most likely stunting the growth of yor plants.

Mrfake I have looked into computer fans. I love how they use very little power. My only concern would be that they pump out 50cfm, thats twice the space of my grow cab. With the intake fan on and air slipping through the cracks, i estimate a loss of less than 10cfm, and still maintain "cool" temps. So you think 95 will be too hot? I admit the hottest i've grown in the past is 90-92F at most. It seems like with my grow cabs air space being flushed and replaced 2x a minute co2 would not be effective. Hot air is able to escape also at the top of my grow box from the exhaust fan and out the carbon filter. Even though the exhaust fan is off, the intake fans pressure pushes hot air out the exhaust as well as small holes in the zipper. I can feel quite a bit with my hand coming out the exhaust fan, and try to measure air force with a feather. Here is the carbon filter i use.this stuff has always worked well for me in the past. ODOR REMOVAL CARBON AIR FILTERS*24" x 7 FEET HUGE .99 - (eBay item 280187013653 end time Jan-02-08 19:30:00 PST)
 

tahoe58

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hey sorry for the confusion yea...oits a steady 72-77F with the lights on and down to 65 with the lights off...sorry 'bout that....
 

munch box

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You should install a cpu fan or two on your cab walls that runs 24/7 that blows on your plant tops to circulate air internally. They're quiet and use a immeasurable amount of power, at least compared to the light.

There are a lot of solutions to heat stress..

1. solve the heat source problem
2. add a cooling element
3. boost co2
4. massive air flow

I prefer 1 and supplement it with 3.

If you rely totally on gas to help you what happens when the tank runs out and you're not there, at that instant, making out with your plants? I hope you like cooked greens because thats what you'll get.
Wouldn't my cab be using 1,2,and 3? I know i don't have massive air flow, but i don't need it with co2. The 2 main reasons sticky says to exchange the air from a grow space 3x a minute is to replenish that 300ppm of co2 in the air and remove heat. So as long as my plants do not face heat stress and/or lack of co2 there is no reason to have that massive air flow.And your right about the co2 running out and my plants could burn thing too. In the past, one 10 gallon tank will last me an entire grow, so as long as its full in the beginning and checked up periodically i don't think i need to worry about that. However that did happen to my friend not too long ago. Things like that normally happen when people are non-attentive to thier plants or equipment. Thats why beginers should grow in soil and not rely on pumps and timers with hydro systems.
 

daddychrisg

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This has thread is great...Very thought provocitive, and informitive. Thanks every one that has participated. I enjoyed the confusion MB, really, it caused a big bloom, so to say about many aspects of a small area grow..Thanks again..
 

LoudBlunts

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munchbox....a few questions


we have similar setups and i just wanted to make sure i understand this correctly...

1. how many and how large are your intake holes? are they passive? or do they have a fan blowing in?

2. you have 2 separate exhaust systems rights?
- one for your lights and one for the whole growbox itself, correct?

3. on your exhaust systems, are you exhausting (PULLING/SUCKING) the hot air out?

or are you trying to cool stuff off by blowing air in?
 

LoudBlunts

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this is why nobody can help your dumb ass....

i didnt even wanna attempt to help or ask questions, because every time somebody tries to help your dumb ass, you get this nasty ass attitude, or act like the help aint good enough., or something to the like...


secondly, EYE wasnt trying to talk about MY SYSTEM, which is why EYE ASKED ABOUT YOURS. If EYE wanted to talk about my system, EYE would have no problem making a thread and doing so...

third, n00b question? motherfucker please. your gramma and typing is soo fucked up and confusing....i just wanted to get clarification.

and looking at post count....seems like you're the n00b when comparing to me....


fuck it, i hope you waste up all c02 and that your fans burn out

:D ;)

have a nice day
 

LoudBlunts

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dont be a pussy and edit/delete your comment now....

that is why you should always make your words soft, cuz you never know when you gon have to eat them.....
 

munch box

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wow, calm down buddy. your getting all fired up and restless over a couple N00b questions. Since when does RollitUp post count, directly limit a person's knowledge on growing weed? And second of all, if you would read the fucking thread you would not be asking me any of these stupid N00ber questions.
 

munch box

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dont be a pussy and edit/delete your comment now....

that is why you should always make your words soft, cuz you never know when you gon have to eat them.....
I was offering to help you to answer your questions on a seperate thread. not anymore. is why i retracted my comment
 

munch box

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Originally Posted by LoudBlunts
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third, n00b question? motherfucker please. your gramma and typing is soo fucked up and confusing....i just wanted to get clarification.


Its spelled grammar not gramma. And I did good in english literature all the way through high school. I think this here is a simple u misunderstanding new words you've probly never heard before. Did the short yellow bus forget to pick you up this morning? Seems like somebody dropped you off in the wrong place. Go back to the n00b forum.
 

LoudBlunts

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im the yellow bus rider, but yet you cant figure out something so simple as to why your cab is getting too hot.

im the n00b, but yet you sitting here asking for help with your ventilation like a n00b.


remember, your the one with the ventilation problems, not me....


carry on ;)
 

munch box

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im the yellow bus rider, but yet you cant figure out something so simple as to why your cab is getting too hot.

im the n00b, but yet you sitting here asking for help with your ventilation like a n00b.
There was a lot more to this thread then just a heat issue. This thread is already over. you really are an idiot, you know that? Put your helmet on just in case you trip and fall over while reading this thread.
 

LoudBlunts

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only thing im trippin over is the fact you spent all that money on them weak ass LEDs, but i wasnt even gon bring that up

ahahaha...you're right...i needed a big ass helmet for that.

and lol @ idiot....if that aint the pot calling the kettle black....

look who paid a car note for some inconsistent LEDs


keep going bro, i've just finished this blunt of satori....i can go on for hours, i like pushing buttons and getting your attention ;)
 
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