Cal mag deficiency?

Degengrower

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What is your humidity sitting at? With a regular reading of 85 F, you should be keeping your humidity within the 70-80% range. Google search "Vapor Pressure Deficits in Cannabis." This probably isn't a nutrient deficiency, more likely a heat stress (high leaf temperatures), or humidity problem (..or both). Leaves have a tendency to form this "taco" shape when the humidity in their environment is too low- in an attempt to contain more moisture within themselves to effectively regulate their transpiration. The less moisture there is in the air, the faster they transpire/uptake water, and vice versa. Either way, it definitely doesn't look like a cal or mg deficiency to me. Hope that helped man!
 

Rurumo

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I agree with Mick, I'm thinking it was high EC, and dry coco, driving up the EC even further. You should be watering to plenty of runoff twice per day, and those plants probably only need an EC of 1 right now. I'd check your runoff to see how out of whack it is.
 

Serpentz

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For those who want to know for certain, this is a magnesium deficiency. The first signs in 1st the photo, and then as it progresses in the 2nd. This is one of my beginning hydro grows. Added GHE Cal/Mag and the problem went away in days. Edited for correctness.
 

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jondamon

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For those who want to know for certain, this is a calcium magnesium deficiency. The first signs in 1st the photo, and then as it progresses in the 2nd. This is one of my beginning hydro grows. Added GHE Cal/Mag and the problem went away in days. S
FYI anyone who’s reading this there is no such thing as a Calmag deficiency as you won’t see both deficiencies together.

this above is an early on set magnesium deficiency.
 
That’s all great advice

first time in coco, I’ve always grown soil or ebb and flow on a table

based on the comments I will water with a 1ec ph’D to 5.8 every day to full saturation

started with a little root rot due to my lack of oxygen in my last pots

I was keeping my coco a little dry to help with fighting off the rot but I guess u cant Do that with coco
 

Serpentz

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FYI anyone who’s reading this there is no such thing as a Calmag deficiency as you won’t see both deficiencies together.

this above is an early on set magnesium deficiency.
Fine, it's one or the other. Let's get technical. Can you tell which is which, and why Calcium/Magnesium are put together in the same bottle? I think no, but it's possible you could have some superpower that I don't know about. All I can tell you is that the community here told me this is what was wrong. I'm a hydro grower, so changes in water chemistry to the plant is instant. Why did the symptoms of this plant disappear when I added the supplement, and why have I not seen this again since I started using it? If you know something that I don't, then let me know.
 

jondamon

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Fine, it's one or the other. Let's get technical. Can you tell which is which, and why Calcium/Magnesium are put together in the same bottle? I think no, but it's possible you could have some superpower that I don't know about. All I can tell you is that the community here told me this is what was wrong. I'm a hydro grower, so changes in water chemistry to the plant is instant. Why did the symptoms of this plant disappear when I added the supplement, and why have I not seen this again since I started using it? If you know something that I don't, then let me know.
They put both in the bottle because both Ca and Mg are nutrients that are required in large amounts for most plants.

calcium helps with cell elongation, helps uptake other nutrients, strengthens cell walls, helps protect against diseases and bacteria and some others.

Magnesium is a building block of chlorophyll. Essential for photosynthesis, helps with the uptake of P K and Ca.

One of the reasons you get a Calmag supplement in the same bottle is because it’s hard to overdose on either one and both are required in plentiful amounts to sustain healthy growth and nutrient uptake.

Too much Ca can cause symptoms of an Mg def.


too much Mg can cause symptoms of a Ca def.

A calcium deficiency begins with small discoloured blotches on the leaves turning darker brown and red over time which then follow to over al leaf discolouring and necrotic areas followed by leaf drop.

a magensium deficiency starts as paling of the edges of the leaves followed by interveinal yellowing causing a distinct pattern to the leaves. Followed by necrosis and leaf curl up and crispiness.

not sure what else you’re actually asking.

wasn’t being a dick when I answered you to be fair was only stating it was not a CALMAG deficiency as there is no Calmag deficiency. It’s one or the other.

Doesn’t mean that the solutions aren’t the same though lol.
 
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Serpentz

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Unfortunately a lot of so-called growers call it a calmag deficiency and recommend calmag for everything........when in reality it's either one or the other.
Maybe it's because both the supplements are in the same bottle, so people just refer to it as that. I am guilty.
 
Great comments!

I thought I mastered the indoor garden until I tried coco lol.

great to know!

also for discussion purposes :

u say it’s hard to overdose on cal or mag.
What about concentrating either so high that it doesn’t kill but just throw off other processes?
 

Star Dog

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Hey guys,

I’m wondering if this is cal mag deficiency? I know my temp is a little high at 85deg and my last fert was about 1.5ec so that’s a little heavy but I wanted to post and get some options!

thanks a lot

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You've diagnosed your own problem.

my temp is a little high at 85deg and my last fert was about 1.5ec

Coupled with not feeding it to run off,
you can see it's been half fed it, cut back your ec to offset the temperature, feed to run off religiously or you'll get problems or/and poor growth.
 

jondamon

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Great comments!

I thought I mastered the indoor garden until I tried coco lol.

great to know!

also for discussion purposes :

u say it’s hard to overdose on cal or mag.
What about concentrating either so high that it doesn’t kill but just throw off other processes?
It can throw off other processes. It can halt uptake of nutrients if there is seriously too much Ca. It can cause pH issues by raising the medium pH to levels that no other nutrients can be uptaken.

Personally I work in EC.

my source water EC is 0.2.

I always add 0.2 EC of Calmag to my source water.

when I elevate levels of P and K I also elevate the Calmag to 0.4 EC

I don’t push my Ca and Mg levels up to where they don’t need to be. What’s the point.

ive found with my source water of 0.2 and the base A/B that I use that I require some additional Calmag after around 4 weeks of growth in the coco and then a continuous supply after that.
 

Star Dog

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Great point @jondamon makes about calmag it's not a given that you'll need it, I've uses two nutrient extensively and never needed calmag, lots of people imply that you need calmag so I tried it to see if I was missing out on something, I don't have a photo of the plant I tried it on but I've photo of it getting repotted and the old damaged growth is still visible at the bottom, check around the outside leafs.
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You can see a yellow border around some leafs, bare in mind its recovered it looked terrible all over at the time.
 
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