Cali vs Spain vs Amsterdam- who has the best current strains?

Dankest of the dank!!!!!!!!!

  • California

    Votes: 49 77.8%
  • Amsterdam

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Spain

    Votes: 6 9.5%

  • Total voters
    63

ounevinsmoke

Well-Known Member
omg READ the ORIGINAL POST!!! PLEASE!!! he is asking who CURRENTLY holds the best genes REGARDLESS of where the plants landrace genes come from. alll marijuana strains are landrace mixes, how could they not be!

STOP POSTING ABOUT LANDRACES!!!

EDIT: OMG the guy above is SOOOOOOO WRONG.
GO watch the strainhunters video for morocco. They mostly use Pakistan indicas now. there are only a few pure Moroccan growers still.
And one vid says all of Morrocco uses Pakistani indica which is also located in the middle east??? Either way Middle east wins... All marijuana strains are not Land race mixes.. Breeders have singled out traits which destroy phenotypes and lose genetics due to selfing and long term cloning. Strain hunters are just that (hunters) not creators and they dont find everything so please...
Sorry to bust your bubble but you get more variety if you find potent seeds in their country of orgin. Those plants have waaaaay more genes and a ton of different pheno's so I would say that those are the best genes around, but ok I'm sooo wrong when all the top breeders you know of search these places intensely looking for the next big thing.



You do realize you are on an entirely different topic. So you can understand it easier, who breeds the best "diluted gene" MJ?
Eh~ he actually said best current strains and gave three places but I stick by my answer Middle East and Africa since most of the stuff we use here in the states originated from there anyway. Most so called top growers here wont tell you before the early 70's where there genes came from anyhow. But to answer your question they are all using the same plants at this point so who is best is only a matter of opinion and since we are mostly American on this site I expect the consensus to be just that... Oh well Pay me no mind...
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

Well-Known Member
did u even READ my post??? i never said that ALL of them switched. MOST of them did however. go watch the vid. one of the farmers has a border by a stream. the plants on his side are moroccan, the other side is one of the farmers who decided to do like most others and switch to the paki genes. the moroccan farmer doesnt even want to except that some of his crop is paki hybrid from them mixing. he doesnt realise how far pollen travels.

and No. you cant just DESTROY genes. you cant make pot seeds out of thin air... and moroccan plants for example have a VERY shallow gene pool. they are simply for hash.

AND if landraces are SOOOO much better than why the hell arent we all just growing landrace strains. its because they arent. they grow good where they came from, and thats one reason why they are so good in that enviroment. why do u think Skunk #1 was such a breakthru in breeding/indoor growing?

do i really need to say this?

EDIT: ive come to the conclusion that you are too hard-headed to understand that what u are saying isnt exactly right. how can u say that all american strains are the same!? LOL.

you've totally lost the concept of the thread's original topic. have a good new year
 

ounevinsmoke

Well-Known Member
did u even READ my post??? i never said that ALL of them switched. MOST of them did however. go watch the vid. one of the farmers has a border by a stream. the plants on his side are moroccan, the other side is one of the farmers who decided to do like most others and switch to the paki genes. the moroccan farmer doesnt even want to except that some of his crop is paki hybrid from them mixing. he doesnt realise how far pollen travels.

and No. you cant just DESTROY genes. you cant make pot seeds out of thin air... and moroccan plants for example have a VERY shallow gene pool. they are simply for hash.

AND if landraces are SOOOO much better than why the hell arent we all just growing landrace strains. its because they arent. they grow good where they came from, and thats one reason why they are so good in that enviroment. why do u think Skunk #1 was such a breakthru in breeding/indoor growing?

do i really need to say this?

EDIT: ive come to the conclusion that you are too hard-headed to understand that what u are saying isnt exactly right. how can u say that all american strains are the same!? LOL.

you've totally lost the concept of the thread's original topic. have a good new year

Your steady trying to prove me wrong , but you keep posting false info. I watched a whole documentary on Arjan and he started his business from getting seeds from Africa and the middle Eastern countries along with a few others. All your doing is proving what I'm saying.

Moroccan Genes plus Pakistani genes make for a more diverse pool that is NOT shallow it is in fact packed with many pheno's which the video you told me to watch even says. The mountains they live in are harsh conditions which the video you told me to watch clearly shows. The farmers in the mountains have been growing the strains for thousands of years which the video you told me to watch also states. If you know MJ than you know it thrives in better conditions which is why you can make better hash when you have better quality plants.

Never said Genes are DESTROYED, but they are lost through crossing and other various techniques that purposely isolate particular traits and take advantage of dominance.

Dude, no one has the patients to put up with Landrace strains because of the wide variety you get. Everyone is lazy and wants a particular gene/strain/pheno. Hence we have breeders to isolate it for us and we just have to find it with a few beans planted from them. Even after all the work they do its still common to get different pheno's.

I'm hard headed maybe, but I'm not exactly wrong either. If Arjan is convinced that the genes in Morrocco are shallow then why does he even go there? He is not just smoking hash there he is also collecting beans and searching for better genetics. Thousands of years of breeding MJ... Thousands

Your not even attempting to understand what I'm saying. Most american breeders are using similar product just like most breeders in spain and amsterdam. Its called accessibility. It only takes a click on the computer to get seeds from a company.

If you think I'm full of shit why are you even bothering to debate? what plant are you growing? Where does its genetics originate? Do you even know?

How about everyone just put their Genetics up and lets see how far back we can go and where they end up?
 

blue&grey

Member
You've totally lost the concept of the thread's original topic. have a happy good year.
The 'original topic' you're referring to would be the pissing contest between the Americans & Europeans of who's strains are "better" ?

Once the predictable cries of 'merica Fuck Yeah! and the "well we created white widow so we are better" fall silent, maybe you could acknowledge the truth in the above statement, that the truely special specimens of this plant are only found in wild populations where man has not altered and diluted the genetic diversity.
 

ta2drvn

Well-Known Member
idk, why is a wild specimen so special, you think nature hasnt done its own altering and diluting of her own? The same thing that you guys are complaining about happens in nature, where do you think man got it from? Its called natural selection last i remember..
 

Rizzo00

Active Member
In my experiences recently I would have to say Spain has the best of the newer strains coming out lately, over all i would have to say USA tho. With amsterdam coming in last.
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

Well-Known Member
Moroccan Genes plus Pakistani genes make for a more diverse pool that is NOT shallow it is in fact packed with many pheno's which the video you told me to watch even says.
DUDE WTF!? I said Moroccan Gene pool is shallow... NOT the hybrid. I ONLY brought up the the stupid moroccan as an example.
im so glad to hear that you must have learned the exact origin of all the genetics you grow. I DONT EVER CLAIM TO DO SO, AND NEVER HAVE.
you are absolutely ridiculous... have fun with that big head of yours.

you said it your self: the breeders isolate the best phenotypes.
the question from the OP was more or less about which of those 3 countries have the best "isolated phenotypes" from their respective countries' breeders.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
In my experiences recently I would have to say Spain has the best of the newer strains coming out lately, over all i would have to say USA tho. With amsterdam coming in last.
In your opinion what are some of the examples of the recent strains coming out of Spain?
I would like to check some out and see what they are.
 

ounevinsmoke

Well-Known Member
idk, why is a wild specimen so special, you think nature hasnt done its own altering and diluting of her own? The same thing that you guys are complaining about happens in nature, where do you think man got it from? Its called natural selection last i remember..
The bold is a shame. I suggest you grow your own garden of Vegetables, organic if possible. Then purchase the same produce from the supermarket. Not necessarily wild but then you might get the point. I hope you understand why Lions dont breed with Tigers in the wild.



DUDE WTF!? I said Moroccan Gene pool is shallow... NOT the hybrid. I ONLY brought up the the stupid moroccan as an example.
im so glad to hear that you must have learned the exact origin of all the genetics you grow. I DONT EVER CLAIM TO DO SO, AND NEVER HAVE.
you are absolutely ridiculous... have fun with that big head of yours.

you said it your self: the breeders isolate the best phenotypes.
the question from the OP was more or less about which of those 3 countries have the best "isolated phenotypes" from their respective countries' breeders.
DUDE WTF? I said breeders isolate traits not phenotypes.
I'm rediculous and have a big head, but you or the op believe the word strain and the word phenotype to be synonomous... I'm done

Congrats you win, I was foolish to ever doubt your astute observation.

Yes spain, spain has the best weed in the world followed by California, and amsterdam has the worst on the list...
 

bluntmassa1

Well-Known Member
Your so called worked genetics are most likely seeds from either one of those places... The breeding process just isolates favorable traits. Some of these traits are expressed naturally in their original environment. The united states does get +1 rep for consistency of watering down the gene pool...
thats right buddy where watering down the gene pool with skunk #1, Northern Lights, Haze, bubble gum etc. I can't say much about our pollen chuckers but theirs been plenty of great strains by personal breeders. how many strains are their that don't have skunk#1, NL, or haze in their genetics?

but as far as comercial breeders go its all on the company/strain imo.
 

ounevinsmoke

Well-Known Member
thats right buddy where watering down the gene pool with skunk #1, Northern Lights, Haze, bubble gum etc. I can't say much about our pollen chuckers but theirs been plenty of great strains by personal breeders. how many strains are their that don't have skunk#1, NL, or haze in their genetics?

but as far as comercial breeders go its all on the company/strain imo.
Because the genetics of Skunk#1, Northern Lights, and Haze all originated in either in Amsterdam, United States, or Spain? haha, ok... I love those particular strains by the way. You guys are on a roll...
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Because the genetics of Skunk#1, Northern Lights, and Haze all originated in either in Amsterdam, United States, or Spain? haha, ok... I love those particular strains by the way. You guys are on a roll...
Let me guess, you have a hard time getting along with people IRL and have very few friends and think it is because people cant deal with your intelligence?
You arent making yourself look intelligent, just looking like a jackass.

We GET YOUR POINT and we DONT CARE, since we all understand what the OP is getting at.There are three options in the poll. You seem to be the only one who doesnt understand and are busy trying to prove how smart you are by missing the entire concept of the question...

Good job.

Personally I think you should start your own thread asking the question "Which area has the best landrace, unadulterated genetics?"
 

ounevinsmoke

Well-Known Member
Let me guess, you have a hard time getting along with people IRL and have very few friends and think it is because people cant deal with your intelligence?
You arent making yourself look intelligent, just looking like a jackass.

We GET YOUR POINT and we DONT CARE, since we all understand what the OP is getting at.There are three options in the poll. You seem to be the only one who doesnt understand and are busy trying to prove how smart you are by missing the entire concept of the question...

Good job.

Personally I think you should start your own thread asking the question "Which area has the best landrace, unadulterated genetics?"
What are you talking about? I voted for spain...
 

Redeye Bri

Well-Known Member
how many strains are their that don't have skunk#1, NL, or haze in their genetics?
I'm pretty sure Super Silver Haze doesn't have any of those in it.

I voted Cali, because I think they have the best stuff going, but Spain seems to have the best Seed production going on and Amsterdam does have Sannie and E$ko, I think.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure Super Silver Haze doesn't have any of those in it.

I voted Cali, because I think they have the best stuff going, but Spain seems to have the best Seed production going on and Amsterdam does have Sannie and E$ko, I think.
Well, I will be the first to say I dont know much about Haze genetics, but you are saying Super Silver Haze has no haze in it's genetics?
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

Well-Known Member
your kidding... the guy ended up agreeing with me on the original question!? lol :)

btw last i knew the SSH(super silver haze) was made like this... {(some Haze) x NL} x {Skunk x (some Haze)}. thats why it still has so much sativa to it. im NOT 100% on this, but id bet this way if i had to.

What id really like to know is what the hell the REAL Jack herer has in it. I KNOW for sure it had Lambsbread in it, past that im not sure. You see Skunk x NL x Haze as the listed genes typically... but i dont think thats what the ORIGINAL was. Even high times had an article about this once, i dont think it ever came to a solid conclusion. anyone know more about this?
 

Redeye Bri

Well-Known Member
Sorry to throw the thread off topic. I was being sarcastic, because SSH is listed as being made up of the three strains bluntmass listed.
 
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