California Dream Grow (Skywalker Og)

323cheezy said:

Call it what u want.... Whatever it is its not good.... i already said im not smoking the pm buds...
This isnt the first time i dealt with this... i seen allot of grows and seen what pm is...
Theres really three different kinds.... Its called powdery milldew... and i think botrytis is one of kind of pm...
Ive seen it grow one time before and i just kicked the clone outside.... but this time i tried to beet it out....
If you were in my grow room for three months with these plant and seen em while they were growing ...
Youd know that it is pm .... the fan leaves have the first symptoms ... and theres these unmistakable spots... very light white and powdery...
It doesnt really go to the buds its speads from the fan leaves to the stems...and it wont really die.. but it can be contained to a small spot...
You really think i dont know what im dealing with ??? are u serious .... there thousand of threads and forums you can reaserch.... but i know from first hand experience.....

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No. Botrytis is not a form of PM, period. You may have both, but what was on the bud shot was botrytis, not PM. I've been doing this for a long time, I know what I'm talking about. Don't rely on what you read in forums, more than half of the info is dead wrong. What you're describing on the fan leaves certainly sounds like PM, so I'd suspect you have both botrytis and PM because your bud shots show mold for sure. Another thing, this is not something that is inevitable with "clone only" strains, I have many of them and I don't get problems because my environment is perfect, that is the key. Once you see PM, it's in the plant forever, you can somewhat control it but it cannot be eradicated from a living plant. What you are seeing are just the reproductive parts, the spores, the disease lives inside the plant.

Wolverine97 said:

No. Botrytis is not a form of PM, period. You may have both, but what was on the bud shot was botrytis, not PM. I've been doing this for a long time, I know what I'm talking about. Don't rely on what you read in forums, more than half of the info is dead wrong. What you're describing on the fan leaves certainly sounds like PM, so I'd suspect you have both botrytis and PM because your bud shots show mold for sure. Another thing, this is not something that is inevitable with "clone only" strains, I have many of them and I don't get problems because my environment is perfect, that is the key. Once you see PM, it's in the plant forever, you can somewhat control it but it cannot be eradicated from a living plant. What you are seeing are just the reproductive parts, the spores, the disease lives inside the plant.

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I couldnt of said it better myself.....
It does live inside the plant.... and the first symptom show on the fan leef and stem....
Like i said ....it cannot be totally eradicated..(except for with eagle 20)... but you can defintely stop the spead of it ... and it will sometimes dissapear on the leaves... the key is prevention...and early detection... the spread can be stopped ...buds can be saved....in my case not all buds were....
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But like you said its a sickness... its inside of the plant.... i know that ...
Garuanteed ...just because you buy a clone from a dispenciary doesnt mean you will get pm ...
its just easier in my opinion....
Many good growers buy cuts and have ideal conditions and will never encounter it....
In my case i got the clone with very little pm already on it.... it was almost nothing....
But i am very good at detecting pm ...because i know how it grows ... and i dealt with clones before....
I take tottal responcibility and never badmouthed the dispenciary...it was my fault... granted...
I should have treated it way earlier.... and worked on my enviromental controls....it was a really humid winter..

All im saying is if u buy cut ... just know that if your setup isnt in tip top shape ... clones often pm...in my experience.....not seeds...
You are right i know excatly what your saying and your basically in agrement with me on the issue ...
What u could do is tell me more about botrytus.....

What is your fascination with botrytis....???
Its a mold..... so are we argueing over what kinda mold i got on the skywalker now??
I googled botrytis and its reffered to as a grey mold....
I dont have any grey mold sorry...
And it is known to be on wine grapes...
some people get "wine drinkers lung " from botrytis ...
And clearly the symptommentioned to the leaves dont match.... i didnt have any brown or black leaves.....
So sorry no botrytis here ... just some good ol fashioned pm....

I knew it wouldnt take so long for some chump to come on here and bash my meds ... after i already mention i had mold on some...
Then Even after i showed the worst part of the infected bud.....
Talk about how good they are at growng and coach me on how to grow....
Just leave it allone dude... i already know about mold......

benny blanco said:

Fire OG. Everything else is whatevers. Tahoe og is koo too. If that puss is push that's pretty bomb

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Ive been hearing good things about the tahoe... and i think raskal gifted the fire og cut to a member....
Smoked fire og its pretty much just bomb og like tahoe.... i think tahoe is really earthy compared to most og.... but definately has the diesely smell....
Also heard ice cube saying rene was the best kush he smoked....
My buddy grew the strawberry diesil.... so im hoping to get that ...need at least one sativa dom....
But i really dont know what im gonna be able to cut off.... will post what i get later if i make it to his house today....

thanks so much ....
But like i said i already googled it yesterday....
And that pic of the strawberry looks nothing like what i had... sorry botrytis boy...
You may be a hell of a termanology notzi ..... but you cant diagnose plants for shit....
thanx for spreading false information upon the threads....
by all means u said it yourself .... "Don't rely on what you read in forums, more than half of the info is dead wrong"

I never said it was, Wolverine, I have had PM and it was on my fan leaves and not on the calyx or bud. 323 said he had PM so I suggested a product I used when I had powdery mildew on my OG Kush. I used silinal to control the spread, and added more environmental controls as well. So I have to disagree with your synopsis. Silinal is an organic spray and I would recommend it to anyone to reduce the spread of PM, but that is just my opinion.

Wolverine97 said:

That was not PM, but botrytis. The key to controlling it is controlling your environment, not by using sprays, that's just chasing the problem.

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Wolverine97 said:

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

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That sprays are purely chasing the problem. They do help to reduce spread, as I said, in my experience (providing you combine with other measures.)

DST said:

That sprays are purely chasing the problem. They do help to reduce spread, as I said, in my experience (providing you combine with other measures.)

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Right, the key word being reduce, not eliminate. That really bolsters my point in my opinion, but I'm not trying to argue about it really. Nothing can eliminate PM from a living plant that is infected, short of killing the plant, thus the "chasing".

Wolverine97 said:

The key to controlling it is controlling your environment, not by using sprays, that's just chasing the problem.

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I disagreed with your synopsis because after the onset of PM - which travel as airborne spores - because they have likely been brought in from outside, (as most bad things in our indoor garden are) purely just changing the environment is, in my opinion not enough to get you through to harvest end.

As you said, once it's in the plant, that's it. So changing environment is not going to eradicate either. But if you want to try and get something from your grow, then sprays (or some) are handy. Changing environment is surely also just chasing the problem? Surely eliminating factors that allow PM into your room is the real eradication treatment. Poor environment is surely just enhancing spread and growth of PM?

But the thing is, certain conditions must exist for it to propagate. Keep your environment clean, scrubbers on all intakes and ideal temp/humidity levels and your chances of ever dealing with fungal issues improve exponentially. I do not ever have fungus problems. Why? My environmental control measures are nice and redundant.

I agree with Wolverine and that isn't pm its blue/grey mold aka BOTRYTIS. Smoke it if you want but from a medical stand point I would never give my patients anything with mold in it. Water extraction is the best way to get something smokable outta moldy buds. Then again if you don't care, its your body...

Go with both the Tahoe and the Fire, if it is indeed Tahoe and Fire(not some CC bs). Rene is suppose to be good as well. I have a cut of her supposedly, still testing her out. Looks like your room is a little hot from the pics...

My buddy killed his PM (we call it cock-fish) with milk and water no BS it worked.. Down side is his grow room smelled like baby barf for a few weeks but at least he didnt loose his crop.

The best way to "kill" pm is to remove the infected areas. I had a few cuts come in with some small spots, removed the leaves and the plant is fine....

CalcioErba2004 said:

I agree with Wolverine and that isn't pm its blue/grey mold aka BOTRYTIS. Smoke it if you want but from a medical stand point I would never give my patients anything with mold in it. Water extraction is the best way to get something smokable outta moldy buds. Then again if you don't care, its your body...

Go with both the Tahoe and the Fire, if it is indeed Tahoe and Fire(not some CC bs). Rene is suppose to be good as well. I have a cut of her supposedly, still testing her out. Looks like your room is a little hot from the pics...

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Well it could be botwatevers....but either way it was only on the skywalker mainly....
The great part was that it was mostly on the leaves....
And by simply manicuring the leaves left the bd x larry and abusive fine...
That pm pic was not nanicured to show the pm....
I then went ahead and vigourously manicured everything i thought was salvagable..then we retook shots... and found really no traces....
Ive smoked the meds perfectly were all fine....
I could show u many tricks on how to control it and such... i have most of my friend fellow growers on weedtraker posting on our own thread...with many cures.... i could shot u a link.....

Dst is right ... a good spray organic oils and can hinder it from spreading.... and thats exacly what i did about a month ago....
These plant were pretty much spot free till the end....
will leave it at that even tho it was pm ..once again i wish u all could have seen good snaps threw the flowering stage ....
So u could have a better idea of how pm or will simply say mold starts...

Id hate to say it but there is one product on the market that will kill it...if its already spread....
Eagle 20 is the product....Extremely powerfull...only reccomended before flowerings..
the stuff can stay in a plant for up to 60 days..... so you use it really early...

Also i have beat out pm once two grows ago with my first clone by putting it outside in over 100 degrees farenheit...in direct sun....luckily it was summmer and in direct sun it was about 110f...
no doubt with seeds i never had pm in my newb days... in the same if not worse conditions....
You can too trade cuts with friends and never get them....
But when your goin to places that have hundreds of clones ... from different donors.... and constant rotation ....new dank strains....and live in places like cali and places alike ....
Its goood too watch closely and contain it before it gets bad...
I didnt ...i was a lil late .... end of story ....i got some new stufff...
And my room was just totally bleached, swept, scrubbed , and cleaned to perfection....

408RAIDER said:

My buddy killed his PM (we call it cock-fish) with milk and water no BS it worked.. Down side is his grow room smelled like baby barf for a few weeks but at least he didnt loose his crop.

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yeah i know the technique three parts water one part milk .... some people even use peroxide...
i just went and spent 20 on some product.... thanx for stoppin in....

wyteberrywidow said:

323 what fuck is good with ya man..Nice ass strains you had running.That blue dream x larry looked very good.

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What the fuck is good with u .....
I see you been growing those chems, and ogs ala cali connect.....
Im sure youll get some good phenos out of the bunch..... beeen wanting to grow out some alien gear they got allot of pacs selling in the shops....
Im trying to get a hold of my boy hes got the cherry alien pheno..... i think im gonna run that next time....
I couldnt get my hands on any tahoe.... those cuts go real fast ... i think i just missed em ..... thanx for stoppin in g....

DST said:

I never said it was, Wolverine, I have had PM and it was on my fan leaves and not on the calyx or bud. 323 said he had PM so I suggested a product I used when I had powdery mildew on my OG Kush. I used silinal to control the spread, and added more environmental controls as well. So I have to disagree with your synopsis. Silinal is an organic spray and I would recommend it to anyone to reduce the spread of PM, but that is just my opinion.

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Dont worrry about that guy wolverine hes got some fascination with botrytis.... I spent over three month with these ladies.. he saw one pic.... well leave it at that ....(he practically ruined this whole journal)....maybe a mod can delete all his post.... would be nice...

but thanx bru for stoppin in ...
I always appreciate your view on the matters ..... you know your stufff...
I noticed u were runnning a larry og... so if theres anthing i should know about larry let me know....
Just picked up a cut of larry ....he and louie are good friends uknow....
Also picked up some chem d, sour kush, and a mystery og strain ...
The guy at the shop told me he couldnt tell me the name.... but he said it his favorite....strain politics...
Hopefully i can get some bettter snaps before harvest this time...
new jorn dropping soon ..ill keep u posted.....

I was sent a couple of sample seeds from California of the OG Larry x OG Larry, and OG Larry x Platinum OG. OGLarry/Plat was very sativa dom in leaf structure, has just gone into jars so waiting for the smell to develop. the Oglarry x Og Larry smells more earthy, took a bit longer than the OGLarryxPlat, is much more indica dominant and holding those traditional earthy sweet kush flavours. Again just drying and about to go in jars, but already got a nice smell on. Both were grown from seed into 12/12 and have produced very well. The OG Larry x OG Larry is a stretcher, but if super cropped produces nice fat nugs. Larry seems to be popular over your way.

323cheezy said:

What the fuck is good with u .....
I see you been growing those chems, and ogs ala cali connect.....
Im sure youll get some good phenos out of the bunch..... beeen wanting to grow out some alien gear they got allot of pacs selling in the shops....
Im trying to get a hold of my boy hes got the cherry alien pheno..... i think im gonna run that next time....
I couldnt get my hands on any tahoe.... those cuts go real fast ... i think i just missed em ..... thanx for stoppin in g....

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Yeah i got everything they fot except chem 3 and the original sour diesel.The tahoe is a def keeper

DST said:

I was sent a couple of sample seeds from California of the OG Larry x OG Larry, and OG Larry x Platinum OG. OGLarry/Plat was very sativa dom in leaf structure, has just gone into jars so waiting for the smell to develop. the Oglarry x Og Larry smells more earthy, took a bit longer than the OGLarryxPlat, is much more indica dominant and holding those traditional earthy sweet kush flavours. Again just drying and about to go in jars, but already got a nice smell on. Both were grown from seed into 12/12 and have produced very well. The OG Larry x OG Larry is a stretcher, but if super cropped produces nice fat nugs. Larry seems to be popular over your way.

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D your gonna be happy.....
The only guy i know with the larry x larry...or a guy who does that ....is fourty four also know as bicycle racer.....
He been on the boards for along time on riu .... and usually works everything with larry og...
He has beens at all the good dispenciaries....i know hes beeen trying to push cali genetics abroad.....
The blue larry was actually his cross i grew out.... and i love the guy genetics.....

I havent grew larrry out ....but i have blazed larry og before ....its a reallly good og too me... not my favorite
It has a sour diesel kinda sativa dom vibe to it.... but it still maitntains the really og kush flavor....
The more funky like og kushy flavor apposed to a sweet fuelly ......
Usually sour d is tooo sativa..... to me and the larry delivers that nasty funk i admire in the more harder og's have..... that sour d doesnt have......

Platinum og is also like top ten too...
I have heard the platinums (i have smoked allot of platinum) are a socal master crosses....
Platinum is a solid smoke ... very goood smell.... very tasty og flavor.... kinda too me like battery acid.....
You get that zing or kick of the chem in there..... wrote up some rviews on platinum already on wt..... Platinum is a very distinct og ...easy to recognize no matter what shop i get it from....

I look forward to your smoke report D.....
Ill be on your thread...hiding in the shadows...lol... peace bru