Calling all Colorado Caregiver's - help for Parkinson's

Raeofsun13

Raeofsun13

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Hi all,

I started this thread because I am needing some guidance on dealing with a patient who has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. He is in his late 60's and has had a history of cannabis use throughout his adult life. So he also had a lumbar surgery for a bulging disk and is having a lot of pain. He stated that MMJ makes his symptoms worse, I am unsure if what he has tried a sativa or indica strain. He stated it made him more shaky, so I am determined to help him if I can. I have begun researching the use of MMJ for his symptoms. I need help if any of you have had experience with this disease I would greatly appreciate input on strains that helped. I am leaning more towards Indica's but also am needing a good daytime functioning strain as he doesn't want to be in bed. Thanks in advance I have no doubt that RUI members will have some good insight and help!
 
Bubbagineer

Bubbagineer

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Raeofsun13 said:
Hi all,

I started this thread because I am needing some guidance on dealing with a patient who has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. He is in his late 60's and has had a history of cannabis use throughout his adult life. So he also had a lumbar surgery for a bulging disk and is having a lot of pain. He stated that MMJ makes his symptoms worse, I am unsure if what he has tried a sativa or indica strain. He stated it made him more shaky, so I am determined to help him if I can. I have begun researching the use of MMJ for his symptoms. I need help if any of you have had experience with this disease I would greatly appreciate input on strains that helped. I am leaning more towards Indica's but also am needing a good daytime functioning strain as he doesn't want to be in bed. Thanks in advance I have no doubt that RUI members will have some good insight and help!
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Has the patient ever tried a CBD rich strain? The following is from CBD's page at Wikipedia, and while it doesn't state that CBD specifically helps with Parkinson's, it seems from the study results that it may be worth a shot. If you decide to go that route, The Treehouse has Harlequin on the shelf which weighs in at about 12% CBDs.

A 2010 study found that strains of cannabis containing higher concentrations of cannabidiol did not produce short-term memory impairment vs. strains with similar concentrations of THC, but lower concentrations of CBD.[18] The researchers attributed this attenuation of memory effects to CBD's role as a CB1 antagonist.[19] CBD also appears to protect against 'binge' alcohol induced neurodegeneration.[20][21]

If the patient is a heavy consumer, then you will need some high THC meds around also. For me, if I vape a bowl or two of high CBD weed, then vape some high THC, I get seriously high and seem to stay high longer, so it's kind of a built incentive for getting your CBDs every day. But Dabs may be right on the extract business. Finding CBD extracts that aren't cut with glycerin and made as an "edible in a syringe" is difficult. Natural Mystic has these syringes made from the buds of their Tora Bora strain (16% CBD) and each syringe has 500 mg I think ... it's some straight up meds..... won something for extracts at the Cannabis Cup.

Thanks for being a caregiver, I hope that it works out.
 
Raeofsun13

Raeofsun13

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Bubbagineer said:
Has the patient ever tried a CBD rich strain? The following is from CBD's page at Wikipedia, and while it doesn't state that CBD specifically helps with Parkinson's, it seems from the study results that it may be worth a shot. If you decide to go that route, The Treehouse has Harlequin on the shelf which weighs in at about 12% CBDs.

A 2010 study found that strains of cannabis containing higher concentrations of cannabidiol did not produce short-term memory impairment vs. strains with similar concentrations of THC, but lower concentrations of CBD.[18] The researchers attributed this attenuation of memory effects to CBD's role as a CB1 antagonist.[19] CBD also appears to protect against 'binge' alcohol induced neurodegeneration.[20][21]

If the patient is a heavy consumer, then you will need some high THC meds around also. For me, if I vape a bowl or two of high CBD weed, then vape some high THC, I get seriously high and seem to stay high longer, so it's kind of a built incentive for getting your CBDs every day. But Dabs may be right on the extract business. Finding CBD extracts that aren't cut with glycerin and made as an "edible in a syringe" is difficult. Natural Mystic has these syringes made from the buds of their Tora Bora strain (16% CBD) and each syringe has 500 mg I think ... it's some straight up meds..... won something for extracts at the Cannabis Cup.

Thanks for being a caregiver, I hope that it works out.
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Bubbagineer said:
Has the patient ever tried a CBD rich strain? The following is from CBD's page at Wikipedia, and while it doesn't state that CBD specifically helps with Parkinson's, it seems from the study results that it may be worth a shot. If you decide to go that route, The Treehouse has Harlequin on the shelf which weighs in at about 12% CBDs.


A 2010 study found that strains of cannabis containing higher concentrations of cannabidiol did not produce short-term memory impairment vs. strains with similar concentrations of THC, but lower concentrations of CBD.[18] The researchers attributed this attenuation of memory effects to CBD's role as a CB1 antagonist.[19] CBD also appears to protect against 'binge' alcohol induced neurodegeneration.[20][21]


If the patient is a heavy consumer, then you will need some high THC meds around also. For me, if I vape a bowl or two of high CBD weed, then vape some high THC, I get seriously high and seem to stay high longer, so it's kind of a built incentive for getting your CBDs every day. But Dabs may be right on the extract business. Finding CBD extracts that aren't cut with glycerin and made as an "edible in a syringe" is difficult. Natural Mystic has these syringes made from the buds of their Tora Bora strain (16% CBD) and each syringe has 500 mg I think ... it's some straight up meds..... won something for extracts at the Cannabis Cup.


Thanks for being a caregiver, I hope that it works out.
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Hey Bubba, thanks for your response. Yes, I am leaning more towards high CBD strains, I will have to read up on Harlequin, I have heard that name tossed around a lot. I also have some beans from Homebrew420 that he states is higher is CBD, we just cracked and right now it is still a seedling. To answer your question, I am unsure if he has tried high CBD strains. He used to grow back in the 60's but understand he grew sativa's. I emailed him asking him that question and am awaiting his response. I have also heard of Catatonic, Purple Diesel C02 hash oil (from Kind Love), R4 (from Greenwerks) and Luca Brasi (from the Clinic) all had good ratings, don't know if you have heard of any of them and what results people got. R4 supposedly has 18% CBD, might have to check that out. Once I obtain the medicine or grow it then the issue comes to extraction methods, one step at a time I guess. I might have to wander down to the Springs for the Torah Bora, trying to not have to drive that far but will if I cannot figure something else out. Do you know of anyone at the caregiver level that runs CBD syringes that aren't cut with glycerin? Do you think a coconut oil extraction made in to capsules would be useful? I know it is such trial and error for each patient. Anyway thanks for taking the time to respond,you were the only one out of 130+ views, to respond and it is greatly appreciated!
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Just for the record, I did reply Rae, but felt my response was of no benefit, as I know nothing pertaining to Parkinson's.

I wrote a short response, pointing out that at his level of pain and disease, flowers in their natural state would not be efficient means of treating his symptoms.

He will need a concentrate of some sort, something very high in not only in CBD, but also high in CBN, and THC-V Delta 8& Delta 9 levels should be converted to CBN through heat curing.

I've studied cannabinoids and bi-cannabinoids in depth trying to get off the meds myself.

Through the use of fractional distillation, we can pick and choose exactly what cannabinoids we want in our extract and what we don't want in our extract.
This is ground-breaking for me...got a lot of research to compile.
Edit: This is the future of extractions folks, and I'm determined to fully grasp this and cure all kinds of shit with cannabis.

Then what Uncle Sam?
Once I prove that I can cure diseases with this schedule I substance, deemed” useless” and” zero medicinal value”

Will you bury your head in the sand?
Our will you deflect my findings, to keep Big Pharma in control?
My thoughts are the latter..
 
Raeofsun13

Raeofsun13

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Sirdabsalot462 said:
Just for the record, I did reply Rae, but felt my response was of no benefit, as I know nothing pertaining to Parkinson's.

I wrote a short response, pointing out that at his level of pain and disease, flowers in their natural state would not be efficient means of treating his symptoms.

He will need a concentrate of some sort, something very high in not only in CBD, but also high in CBN, and THC-V Delta 8& Delta 9 levels should be converted to CBN through heat curing.

I've studied cannabinoids and bi-cannabinoids in depth trying to get off the meds myself.

Through the use of fractional distillation, we can pick and choose exactly what cannabinoids we want in our extract and what we don't want in our extract.
This is ground-breaking for me...got a lot of research to compile.
Edit: This is the future of extractions folks, and I'm determined to fully grasp this and cure all kinds of shit with cannabis.

Then what Uncle Sam?
Once I prove that I can cure diseases with this schedule I substance, deemed” useless” and” zero medicinal value”

Will you bury your head in the sand?
Our will you deflect my findings, to keep Big Pharma in control?
My thoughts are the latter..
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Thanks for your educating response, as I have started learning more and more about Parkinson's and I will need a stronger meds. I would be completely be down helping you with your research or testing. When you develop that ground breaking medicine! I am not looking to cure Parkinson's just offer him some relieve through cannabis. I shouldn't have limited my post to just Caregiver's just thought they might have the most experience. I forgot there are a lot of educated user's on this forum. Thanks again
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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No problem Rae!!!

You and Csufan are AWESOME!!!
If one were to look in the Dictionary under ” Caregiver”...I'm sure your two faces have top be there..lol

But, yes I'm seriously looking into the ” glacial acetic acid”, and making THC-Acetate.

A little advice that I can confidently offer to you; The longer you let your trichomes mature, the more amber they are, means that the plant has converted much of the THC Delta-9 into less anxiety inducing CBN, and Delta 8 THC-V.

This will reduce the anxiety and the possible” shakiness” associated with Parkinson's, and most certainly help with insomnia.
 
Raeofsun13

Raeofsun13

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Sirdabsalot462 said:
No problem Rae!!!

You and Csufan are AWESOME!!!
If one were to look in the Dictionary under ” Caregiver”...I'm sure your two faces have top be there..lol

But, yes I'm seriously looking into the ” glacial acetic acid”, and making THC-Acetate.

A little advice that I can confidently offer to you; The longer you let your trichomes mature, the more amber they are, means that the plant has converted much of the THC Delta-9 into less anxiety inducing CBN, and Delta 8 THC-V.

This will reduce the anxiety and the possible” shakiness” associated with Parkinson's, and most certainly help with insomnia.
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Sirdabs, thanks for the kind compliment about CSUFAN'S and I, we enjoy being caregiver's and I enjoyed it especially since my degree is in social work. Feel like this is what I should be doing, I love it, I get to help other, I love MMJ and I love spreading the word about the benefits of cannabis.

Thanks for the tip on the trichomes, of course there are lots of opinions as to when to harvest, but I like the science behind why waiting until the amber! Good stuff!
 
420circuit

420circuit

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I am a few weeks into RSO treatment using oil that I made using Everclear extraction of cured buds. The oil certainly helps sleep and I was surprised how long it took for the effects to be felt, more than 2 hours for me. I suggest having the patient try out some tincture, Medshed's method using bubble hash is easy enough and is a nice way to administer during the day. I now take the oil after dinner and do the tincture during the day. Looking forward to seeing what results the group gets with the higher CBD strains, I am growing some Meltdown from 303 Seeds, a Z-7 cross. Be sure to post your results, looks like Uncle Sam is not going to help with this research so it falls to us, here on the playground, to do the clinical research. This really is like letting the lunatics run the asylum. And I mean that in a good way.:mrgreen::peace::leaf:RSO 6-17-2013 RSO.jpg
 
Raeofsun13

Raeofsun13

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420circuit said:
I am a few weeks into RSO treatment using oil that I made using Everclear extraction of cured buds. The oil certainly helps sleep and I was surprised how long it took for the effects to be felt, more than 2 hours for me. I suggest having the patient try out some tincture, Medshed's method using bubble hash is easy enough and is a nice way to administer during the day. I now take the oil after dinner and do the tincture during the day. Looking forward to seeing what results the group gets with the higher CBD strains, I am growing some Meltdown from 303 Seeds, a Z-7 cross. Be sure to post your results, looks like Uncle Sam is not going to help with this research so it falls to us, here on the playground, to do the clinical research. This really is like letting the lunatics run the asylum. And I mean that in a good way.:mrgreen::peace::leaf:View attachment 2738770
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i want to make the RSO now based on your post, but I am afraid I would blow us up or at least me, lol. I will get brave down the road or maybe CSU will take the reins on this. I would like to develop a few tinctures for the family friend with Parkinson's. Great post.

oh and I have been called crazy before, doesn't bother me none.
 
420circuit

420circuit

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Please check out Rick Simpson's Run from the Cure video to see how he suggests making the oil. I do not know if it helps. I am taking the oil in an attempt to prevent the regrowth of a glioma brain tumor, basically because chemo therapy has not been effective in treating this and that, according to the doctors who have reviewed my case, is my next option if the tumor grows back. (It probably will.)

Oh, and did I mention, FUCK CANCER!

If it turns out that there actually IS a conspiracy between big pharma and our government to cover up cannabis as a cure for cancer, something bad will happen. Personally I do not believe that there is such a conspiracy. There are a lot of medical warriors in the fight against cancer, doctors who have dedicated their careers/lives to the fight for survival of patients. If cannabis is an effective treatment it must be made public. If it does not help that needs to be made public as well. Let's find out if it helps, there is evidence that it might actually be a cure for some cancers, that should be enough to get people testing it to find out. That is what I am doing. Good luck in your endeavors, let's find out if there is anything to this.
 
420circuit

420circuit

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Thanks Med, I have enjoyed the tincture made with your method, thanks for putting it out there. Planning to make another batch soon, will be cooking the hash for 20 minutes at 220F wrapped in foil before pouring in Everclear to help with the decarboxalation, will let you know if it increases the potency. A half dropper from a 1 oz bottle is my current dose, couple times during the day, then RSO in the evening. If I have a recurrence of tumor growth it will be evidence that this therapy may not be effective, but if it does not grow back it is hard to say for sure that this helped. If I enjoy MJ and it helps to prevent tumor growth I'd be nuts to not use it. Going to get a vape pen soon, looks like a fun way to ingest the herb. Looking forward to trying some high CBD buds, the Meltdown seeds from 303 are doing well in veg and will go to flower in a week or so. And regarding sleep, the RSO helps a lot when taken in the evening. I don't have any problems with getting too high from the oil, although some people have reported that, but I am only taking it at night when I plan to remain at home. I expect that the different strains and harvest times will create oil with different side effects. Rick mentioned White Widow so I grew some out and will be making a batch of oil when it is done curing, will find out if it has a different behavior than the batch made with Northern Lights. This is the WW at 9 weeks.7-16-2013 WW 9 weeks.jpg
 
Medshed

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I'm glad to hear you like the tincture recipe 420c. Please do post the results of your test on the tincture thread. Any and all improvements are always welcome!

I'll bring some of bshdctr's Blue Dream RSO caps for you when we meet up this weekend. I think you could benefit from them more than I.
 
420circuit

420circuit

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Cool, how are these RSO caps made? I made RSO with Everclear and have been planning to make another batch into caps with coconut oil, just trying to figure out a few details, like how to calculate dosage. Would love to see how bshdctr creates the magic.
 
Csufan97

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Raeofsun13 said:
i want to make the RSO now based on your post, but I am afraid I would blow us up or at least me, lol. I will get brave down the road or maybe CSU will take the reins on this. I would like to develop a few tinctures for the family friend with Parkinson's. Great post.

oh and I have been called crazy before, doesn't bother me none.
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We will have to give this a shot in a couple of week. I would sooner but we got a lot going on the next 2 weekends.
 
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