Calmag products

If you want to spend money on extra bottles of diluted salts, that's fine by me. It's your decision what diluted bottles you want to dial into. Cal-mag+ completely overlaps with the ingredients already found in flora bloom and micro. If you don't have enough calcium, it means you aren't using enough "micro". Balancing this out by using an overlapping product only serves to complicate things, not simplify. This says more about lucas formula than it does about your tap water.

Calcium nitrate is a very good option on the table, not just for supplementing calcium, but as a primary supply of both calcium and nitrogen. Calcium nitrate is the main ingredient by mass in just about all hydroponic formulas. Calcium nitrate is the key to hydroponics, not just a supplement.

Imo, using cal-mag+ to supplement is actually complicating things more than using straight up calcium nitrate, not making things easier. The only reason it seems easier is because you've already dialed in to the the cal-mag+ bottle. You could just as easily have dialed in to using more of the "micro" bottle, and then using magnesium sulfate if there's a magnesium deficiency. The whole concept of cal-mag+ actually forces the mind away from traditional deficiency charts. The idea that you need to "replace" the calcium you take out of tap is a flawed idea to begin with. GH micro is the bottle that contains calcium. If you lack calcium, you need more GH micro. There's a reason GH made the flora series a 3 part mix. It allows you to fine tune your nutrients.

my whole point is that Cal-Mag works for me, so it's not a "rip-off" as you call it

....yes there are cheaper solutions but I can't be bothered to try to re-dial in a new solution to save a few pennies

You know, everyone tells me my solutions are overcomplicated, or unrealistic, or whatever...

10mL of A + 10mL of B to 1 gallon of water in the reservoir. That's it. It takes me about 15 minutes to make the stock solutions. To refill, I just copy the label. It's that easy. The hard part is really making the mental leap that this is way more simple than people make it out to be. If I think my formula has too little calcium, I can just add more calcium nitrate to part A in the next iteration.

I can't understand all the AN hate, yet cal-mag+ love. imo, cal-mag+ is the biggest ripoff on the entire market after the diluted potassium silicate products.

It makes me think everyone here is just trying to sell cal-mag+.

well good for you...I ain't no fucking Cal-Mag shill, I use it because it works for me, and if $10 every 3 years is a rip off...oh well, such is life

ISK said:

well good for you...I ain't no fucking Cal-Mag shill, I use it because it works for me, and if $10 every 3 years is a rip off...oh well, such is life

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That's the same exact argument AN salesmen use though. AN shills say the exact same thing about AN. They can do fine with AN, so why change?

Why so defensive? The main reason I signed up for this forum in 2009 was to discuss DIY nutrients. What's good for me might also be good for many others. Obviously you're already set in your ways, but there are others here looking for options, and I won't suggest something other than I think is the best. It would make me a hypocrite. I think this is the best option, and the most straight forward.

using Cal-Mag and using AN are not in the same ball park

ISK said:

using Cal-Mag and using AN are not in the same ball park

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Well I personally think you're a shill. It's not surprising to me that you'd see them in different ball parks. I'm not a fan of AN, but you actually get worse value buying cal-mag+ than the analogous AN product. All these companies are selling the same shit. Watered down salts.

Blu Moon Cal-Mag and Blue Moon Carbon Jolt are my 2 most successful products I've used so far. Works great and results within one cycle.

churchhaze said:

Well I personally think you're a shill. It's not surprising to me that you'd see them in different ball parks. I'm not a fan of AN, but you actually get worse value buying cal-mag+ than the analogous AN product. All these companies are selling the same shit. Watered down salts.

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fuck off and die

You don't have to buy bottles of diluted salt. It's as simple as dumping the right amount of each into the A or B bottle, than using 10mL of A and 10mL of B per gallon of water.

Here's some C99 right after the stretch period finished.




I'm not trying to show "amazing results"... but it works, and it works well... Nutrients are nutrients. You don't need to buy watered down tonics and homeopathic cures.

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Well at first I thought they just needed to be repotted, because it seemed like they were outgrowing the 7 gallons. A bunch of the roots were showing on the top. I repotted one into a 15 and 3 into 10 gallons, theyre under 2x 1000 watts and are looking fantastic besides the Issues. A lot of leaves are drying up. A lot of yellowing on the tops. Basically all showing signs of K and Ca deficiencies. And yeah I am like 99 Percent sure it was my ph. I did the exact same thing I usually do today except using a bluelab meter, and my ph is normally 6.3 when I water. They couldnt take it in.

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Damn 7 gallons should be plenty of space for any plant.. Ive never used more than 5gal with no problems.

I kind of agree what dude said about calmag being a rip off, i never witnessed any positives for it first hand, a quick pH fix solved all my calmag problems. My next soil purchase im going to make my own with some hydrated lime in it for sure.

ebcrew said:

Damn 7 gallons should be plenty of space for any plant.. Ive never used more than 5gal with no problems.

I kind of agree what dude said about calmag being a rip off, i never witnessed any positives for it first hand, a quick pH fix solved all my calmag problems. My next soil purchase im going to make my own with some hydrated lime in it for sure.

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Thats what I thought. I didnt think they had a chance of outgrowing the 7 gallons. Sure enough, roots were growing upwards and showing like crazy. When I took them out all of the root balls were compacted to the edges of the pots. Monster plants though

90% know it all bullies and 10% cool people. Guess pot heads are just like general society.

Damn this forum is making me sad every day now, I don't understand why people are being so crazy over the cal mag thing. I give my plants the calmg+ like once a week. Plants are looking fine and I use the lucas formula. If I don't need it I wont use it but I seriously don't see why someone is an AN shill just because they decide to use something out of convenience. I bought a small ass bottle about a year and a half ago and I STILL have it. I don't use much at all I just make sure to keep my ladies as green as possible.

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90% know it all bullies and 10% cool people. Guess pot heads are just like general society.

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Also realize most people here don't even grow they are just here to stir shit, others who do grow and stir shit are bullies and then you have those that are just here to cause mayhem. I don't understand why people decide to be so rude to each other. I know I have and can be rude but usually it is provoked for a while before I snap out of being mr nice guy.

Don't worry there are good ones here still.

I just joined this forum to talk to other growers and share information. Instead of getting into an argument about what you use or dont use just help each other out.

Ive never met any 2 growers in my life who used the same method or formula to grow their meds. At the end of the day there are many products that are available on the market that work and can suit your personal needs. Whether your an organic grower who uses amendments or a synthetic liquid nutrient grower who likes bottle nutrients who cares. If someone needs help who is growing differently than you are and you have an answer to help them just say hey you can use either GH Cali Magic or you can use Sensi CaMg or you can use Botanicare Cal Mag +.

Ive never used a bottle nutrient that was a rip off since I purchase what I need to grow. If someone likes to use 15 diff bottles and spend his money on a recipe that works for them and he spends 1000$ on a run in nutrients so be it. If he gets good results than let him do him. And if he has an issue and you can explain an alternative and save them money just tell them instead of tryin to get in a whose dick is bigger shittin contest. That part reason I was so reluctant to get back onto these forums as ppl act so crazy over nothing.

Either be kind and help someone or be humble and explain why they should try something else. Its crazy this is a tight knit community lets help each other out not burn each other down. This is nuts!!

And for this message to be informative Ill give what I got to help others out. PH is critical and should always be first thing ou check. If you use RO water there is most likely never going to be enough calcium or magnesium in any base fert as they are made for most people expecting their water to be on the hard side (some companies make hard/soft water bases for such reasons). Furthermore some strains also require diff levels of calcium and magnesium. Im running a Sour strain right now that sucks up more nitrogen calcium and mag than ive seen in the last decade of growing and is an absolute hound. Ive been running upwards of 8-10 ml/gallon of CalMag+ from Botanicare. This is the CaMg I prefer but for fast acting Calcium or Magnesium issues I foliar spray either Advanced Nutrients Revive which is a product that does exactly what it claims it does or I like using Cutting Edge Plant Amp and Mag Amp which are two of the best sources of calcium and magnesium on the market and when sprayed foliarly are fast acting and work over night better than any other product Ive ever used in solving such issues.

Lets just focus on helping out instead of chest pumping and pounding. And idk why everyone on this thread seems to have an issue with Advanced Nutrients or other companies on here but thats kinda crazy. I consider myself a very well versed and somewhat of an expert grower and they have some of the best products on the market all around. Yes they can get expensive but they work very well. I understand you can make your own salts for fractions of the price but most ppl prefer letting and trusting the people of these companies to do the scientific analysis for them and buy bottles because its easier. Very small amount of growers mix their own shit up or use straight forms of pure nutrients and figure out the ratios etc.. I know how to do it but wud never waste my time as it gets pretty intensive. Any who lets just chill smoke some flowers and help out when we can be easy