Can a menu be racist?

Can a menu be racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 6 75.0%

  • Total voters
    8

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
Has the age of political correctness gone too far?

When Kayla Eubanks, a black woman, saw a sign for a Black History Month special menu in a New York University dining hall on Tuesday, she was interested to see what they were serving.

"I figured it would be some type of southern cuisine," the NYU student told CNN.

But she was stunned to see the full menu: ribs, collard greens, cornbread, smashed yams, mac and cheese and two beverages, red Kool-Aid and watermelon-flavored water.

Eubanks said she asked one of the cafeteria managers about it and was told, '"Yeah, it's Black History Month."

What's the problem?

Was she pissed that they left out the fried chicken, grits and the black eyed peas, or was it because they only had watermelon water, and not the real deal?

I'm Irish, and can relate to her. I mean that it can get a bit tiring when people assume because I'm Irish, I like boiled potatoes, corned beef, cabbage and whiskey. (I do, but who doesn't ?)

When my Italian friends come to dinner, I always serve spaghetti and meatballs, Germans get Bratwurst and Chinese get Chop Suey

Am I being racist?

Within 24 hours NYU President Andrew Hamilton responded with a statement, calling the menu "inexcusably insensitive" and saying the school's food vendor, Aramark, did not discuss the menu choices with them beforehand.

"That error was compounded by the insensitivity of the replies made to a student who asked Aramark staff on site how the choices were made," Hamilton said.

After an investigation Aramark determined that two employees acted independently in creating the menu, Karen Cutler, a spokeswoman for the food-service company, told CNN.

They have since been fired, she said. (I hope they weren't black, that would really suck)

The episode also dismayed the university's Black Student Union, which issued a statement saying the menu was "problematic due to the inherent stereotypes associated with black people and southern soul food cuisine..."

But the student group was especially offended by the beverage choices.

"These drink options perpetuate harmful stereotypes that have existed about the black community for decades, and show an extreme level of cultural insensitivity," they said in their statement.

So, what do you think, was that a racist menu, or was the cafeteria staff simply providing what everyone knows black people like to eat? :)
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
I don't think that was racist.

I don't get the outrage - I really don't.

It's like me being outraged they serve rice and beans, chicharrones and malta as a drink.... during latino night or whatever..... that's not racist - it's what we like on our menu..... shit - I was born latino and it's what we do - we drink malta and eat rice and beans with a protein... it's a common food combination accross most spanish speaking countries, the flavors might vary a bit, but rice and beans are staple foods.and a ton of people drink malta... it's just what we do.... it's not racist....

This is outrage culture getting out of control..

embrace the kool-aid - love the watermelon water..... there's nothing wrong with drinking the stuff, and a lot of black families choose kool-aid b/c it's cheap, easy to make, and almost 100% kids will drink it without fussing.... watermelons are delicious....

am I being a moron for not understanding?
 

gwheels

Well-Known Member
People are going a bit nutty about everything. I went to Atlanta GA a few years back and asked they take me to a soul food menu. I had pretty much what was in that menu plus chicken fried livers which were really good.

When I was a kid my mom cooked like that. Same kind of food except we are wonder white people (like the bread). :D

I dont get the big deal.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Has the age of political correctness gone too far?

When Kayla Eubanks, a black woman, saw a sign for a Black History Month special menu in a New York University dining hall on Tuesday, she was interested to see what they were serving.

"I figured it would be some type of southern cuisine," the NYU student told CNN.

But she was stunned to see the full menu: ribs, collard greens, cornbread, smashed yams, mac and cheese and two beverages, red Kool-Aid and watermelon-flavored water.

Eubanks said she asked one of the cafeteria managers about it and was told, '"Yeah, it's Black History Month."

What's the problem?

Was she pissed that they left out the fried chicken, grits and the black eyed peas, or was it because they only had watermelon water, and not the real deal?

I'm Irish, and can relate to her. I mean that it can get a bit tiring when people assume because I'm Irish, I like boiled potatoes, corned beef, cabbage and whiskey. (I do, but who doesn't ?)

When my Italian friends come to dinner, I always serve spaghetti and meatballs, Germans get Bratwurst and Chinese get Chop Suey

Am I being racist?

Within 24 hours NYU President Andrew Hamilton responded with a statement, calling the menu "inexcusably insensitive" and saying the school's food vendor, Aramark, did not discuss the menu choices with them beforehand.

"That error was compounded by the insensitivity of the replies made to a student who asked Aramark staff on site how the choices were made," Hamilton said.

After an investigation Aramark determined that two employees acted independently in creating the menu, Karen Cutler, a spokeswoman for the food-service company, told CNN.

They have since been fired, she said. (I hope they weren't black, that would really suck)

The episode also dismayed the university's Black Student Union, which issued a statement saying the menu was "problematic due to the inherent stereotypes associated with black people and southern soul food cuisine..."

But the student group was especially offended by the beverage choices.

"These drink options perpetuate harmful stereotypes that have existed about the black community for decades, and show an extreme level of cultural insensitivity," they said in their statement.

So, what do you think, was that a racist menu, or was the cafeteria staff simply providing what everyone knows black people like to eat? :)
everyone knows it's supposed to be grape koolaid and watermelon:wink:
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
People are going a bit nutty about everything. I went to Atlanta GA a few years back and asked they take me to a soul food menu. I had pretty much what was in that menu plus chicken fried livers which were really good.

When I was a kid my mom cooked like that. Same kind of food except we are wonder white people (like the bread). :D

I dont get the big deal.

i don't eat the bread.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
racism. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. racist. A person who subscribes to the beliefs of racism.

Under the above definition of racist, it would be hard to classify the creator of the menu as racist based on no other evidence. If they fed stale bread and water to one race and steak and wine to another, that would be racist.
 

bundee1

Well-Known Member
I don't think that was racist.

I don't get the outrage - I really don't.

It's like me being outraged they serve rice and beans, chicharrones and malta as a drink.... during latino night or whatever..... that's not racist - it's what we like on our menu..... shit - I was born latino and it's what we do - we drink malta and eat rice and beans with a protein... it's a common food combination accross most spanish speaking countries, the flavors might vary a bit, but rice and beans are staple foods.and a ton of people drink malta... it's just what we do.... it's not racist....

This is outrage culture getting out of control..

embrace the kool-aid - love the watermelon water..... there's nothing wrong with drinking the stuff, and a lot of black families choose kool-aid b/c it's cheap, easy to make, and almost 100% kids will drink it without fussing.... watermelons are delicious....

am I being a moron for not
understanding?
The watermelon and kool aid was the tacky part. Everything else is Southern food. Its a lazy menu. They could have thrown in some African food. Really.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
I don't question a black person if they say something is racist and I never try to redefine racism like Bugeye did in this thread. If someone is offended, I take it under advisement. A lot of people just hear themselves or their menu being called racist and think that they've been condemned to wear a scarlet letter. Don't be such a cracker ass snowflake. If you offend a member of a minority demographic or socially marginalized group with your behavior, even without trying to or if you're actually trying to do the opposite, it doesn't need to become an RIU thread or a news article.

Just apologize to that person and say it wasn't your intention but that you will try harder next time then tell them to at least try the fucking ribs.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
I don't question a black person if they say something is racist and I never try to redefine racism like Bugeye did in this thread. If someone is offended, I take it under advisement. A lot of people just hear themselves or their menu being called racist and think that they've been condemned to wear a scarlet letter. Don't be such a cracker ass snowflake. If you offend a member of a minority demographic or socially marginalized group with your behavior, even without trying to or if you're actually trying to do the opposite, it doesn't need to become an RIU thread or a news article.

Just apologize to that person and say it wasn't your intention but that you will try harder next time then tell them to at least try the fucking ribs.
Lol, how can I redefine racism when no one has yet defined it in the thread? Not my definition btw. Feel free to post the official definition for me so I can understand what is being discussed, please.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
racism. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. racist. A person who subscribes to the beliefs of racism.

Under the above definition of racist, it would be hard to classify the creator of the menu as racist based on no other evidence. If they fed stale bread and water to one race and steak and wine to another, that would be racist.
racism is also defined as antagonism towards another race, but you left that out because it does not fit your klan narrative
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
it doesn't need to become an RIU thread
Just pointing out the absurdity of calling a menu racist, because it wasn't.
Of course food is racial, although in Ireland, they never did figure out the corned beef as part of being Irish (or green beer), which is probably why the blacks students scratched their heads with the Kool Aid/watermelon water. That was stupid, because anyone with a brain would know that is pushing it as far as racial sensitivity goes.
Ever go to a "soul food" (black?) restaurant? Their menus are almost exactly the same as presented in that NYU cafeteria ,minus the watermelon water and Kool Aid, and I suppose that is the part that cost those 2 individuals their jobs, and maybe if they were white, they deserved to lose their jobs for being too fucking stupid to work in a cafeteria where 20% of the students are black.
Or maybe they were black, and liked those drinks.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
racism is also defined as antagonism towards another race, but you left that out because it does not fit your klan narrative
Antagonism is defined by intent, is it not? Do we know intent here? Abandon seems to say that intent does not matter, if someone was offended that is all that matters. I'm open to discussing that but my core beliefs say that motivation and intent should factor into a judgement against anyone being judged fairly.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Just pointing out the absurdity of calling a menu racist, because it wasn't.
Of course food is racial, although in Ireland, they never did figure out the corned beef as part of being Irish (or green beer), which is probably why the blacks students scratched their heads with the Kool Aid/watermelon water. That was stupid, because anyone with a brain would know that is pushing it as far as racial sensitivity goes.
Ever go to a "soul food" (black?) restaurant? Their menus are almost exactly the same as presented in that NYU cafeteria ,minus the watermelon water and Kool Aid, and I suppose that is the part that cost those 2 individuals their jobs, and maybe if they were white, they deserved to lose their jobs for being too fucking stupid to work in a cafeteria where 20% of the students are black.
Or maybe they were black, and liked those drinks.
I was in Fort Benning for quite a while. All of our cooks were civilians from the Columbus area. So yeah I am familiar with soul food. Pretty much the best options for anything spicy even off the base because there were no decent Mexican food options. I agree about food though. I don't think anyone should have lost their job. In every country I have been to (I'm up to 34 now) I have seen lame ass attempts at Mexican food. Sometimes it is offensive, sometimes it is good while being very far from authentic. Not long ago in El Nido I went to a a place called Pinches Tacos. It had high reviews but it turns out that those reviews were mostly by Europeans and Australians (who clearly never visited Oaxaca) and I got food poisoning from some terrible enchiladas I couldn't finish. I had heard good things, but I grew up on Mexican food and I have family in Baja California and Sinaloa and I used to live in La Paz, BCS. I accept flour tortillas and I like Indian food, always order chapati bread when I go to Indian restaurants because it is basically the same thing as a flour tortilla which is not Mexican. My sensibilities are not offended by people thinking those are Mexican. In fact, I love shawarma wraps which are basically what you would call a burrito in southern Cali, which is where I'm originally from. I was thrilled to find "burritos" at a Turkish restaurant. In fact, if you eat pastor in Mexico, you'll find it is cooked like shawarma.

Like Italian food? Noodles were invented in China. Tomato is an Aztec word and the tomato plant was never seen by Europeans until sometime after the fifteenth century but Italy has been around with a distinct culture much longer than that, so what was Italian food before then? Who cares? I love Italian food, especially baked pasta.

I guess you're right, things went too far if someone lost their job, but maybe there's more to the story that's not being reported.
 

Splaap

Well-Known Member
I used to eat at a restaurant named Sambo's as a kid,
I don't remember the menu but the wall mural sure was.
 

Bugeye

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UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Antagonism is defined by intent, is it not? Do we know intent here? Abandon seems to say that intent does not matter, if someone was offended that is all that matters. I'm open to discussing that but my core beliefs say that motivation and intent should factor into a judgement against anyone being judged fairly.
"i didn;t mean to be racist when i did blackface though"

sorry, doesn't fly with me, lard-ass klanman
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Silly me, I forgot to cite the source of my racist definition:
https://quizlet.com/4766632/ap-human-geography-ethnicity-and-political-geography-flash-cards/

Please know this is currently be taught to high school students in Colorado. Does this disgust you?

Thanks for having a real discussion with me on race, very enlightening. I hope we can continue.
cool story. they teach it in schools so it must be true. just like columbus was just looking for the new world and never savagely raped and enslaved natives because they do not teach that in school either.

you are very smart and definitely not an overweight old unfuckable racist who laments the rapidly diversifying world around him
 
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