Can feminized seeds become male plants??

I've heard that even feminized seeds can become male if they are grown with male plants around them (pollination?). Is it true that feminized seeds can ever become male?

Feminized seeds can be males.

BeginnerGrowOp said:

I've heard that even feminized seeds can become male if they are grown with male plants around them (pollination?). Is it true that feminized seeds can ever become male?

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HumboldtHealer said:

Feminized seeds can be males.

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Plants grown from feminized seed that show female flowers can certainly become pollinated if they are grown around male plants...because male plants have pollen and female plants kind of live for it. If that happens, the plants don't 'turn male', rather they develop fruit (seed) which is what every female cannabis plant is on a mission to do.

But, exactly as HumboldtHealer said; feminized seeds can also actually turn out to be plants with primarily male flowers/no female flowers at all... or hermaphrodites with both male and female flowers. You most likely don't want males or hermaphrodites because they'll pollinate the females (or female flowers in the case of a hermie), thereby initiating seed formation. Many seed companies are going to say 100% guaranteed female or whatever; but if you live in the US or most other countries you're ordering a product with gray legal status at best and can't honestly even expect replacement seeds in most cases.

I grew out a pack of T.H. Seeds S.A.G.E. and I don't remember if I any of those were the culprits but I definitely had a bunch of other 'feminized' seeds either develop male flowers or just plain turn out to be male. I cloned S.A.G.E females grown from feminized seed for multiple generations without issue so far. Just finishing the last of them up actually, planning on getting more seeds though because I do like the strain. I haven't ordered any more fem seeds, only regular and that's all I plan to get in the future.

choempi said:

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He's right. You'll never receive a "male" plant from a feminized seed. The most you'll get is a hermaphrodite plant (exhibiting both male and female flowers). Be warned though, hermaphrodites can pollinate a whole crop of females.
Some strains are more prone to hermies than others. Just be sure not too stress your plant too much, especially when it comes to the lighting schedule!

My feminized fruity chronic juice that end up being a full blown male she was grown outside

very rarely fems can be male,normally tho the closest youll get to a male is a herm.but peyote purple,for example,was fem at first,but they found males when growing them out,so now there sold as regs.

BeginnerGrowOp said:

Is it true that feminized seeds can ever become male?

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Yes. Hence the name feminized instead of female seeds. A female by sexgenes (XX, including feminized seeds) can still express itself as a male pheno. It's not as strict as with animals and some other plant species. If you want to test your plants in a lab to determine sex early, you still have to wait till 4th-5th node, until then its sexual expression is, according to scientific research I posted a couple of times already, flexible. What exactly makes it express differently is something I'll leave up to the "believers" to fantasize about.

most deffinitly fems have like an 8 out of 10 chance of being female
I remeber a few months ago there was a guy on here who had a whole ten pack of fems turn out to be males
its all chance.
and they can be pollinated
I've Hurd they have a higher chance of herming but that could be due to shitty growing also

What would cause a feminized plant to go the oppisite way is it just kinda luck of the draw or is there a cause?

Far as I've read the genetics of cannabis still aren't fully understood, and they don't really know why about one out of 3000 (iirc) feminized seeds grows as a full male.
If your plant "turns" male, it's not because of other males being around, it hermed.
I've recently had a bit of a debate with another member on here as to whether stress will cause a female pant to herm or if those that herm after stress were already hermies, just not expressing any male traits until stressed.
We've decided to agree to disagree until there's hard evidence one way or another.

CanadianJim said:

Far as I've read the genetics of cannabis still aren't fully understood, and they don't really know why about one out of 3000 (iirc) feminized seeds grows as a full male.
If your plant "turns" male, it's not because of other males being around, it hermed.
I've recently had a bit of a debate with another member on here as to whether stress will cause a female pant to herm or if those that herm after stress were already hermies, just not expressing any male traits until stressed.
We've decided to agree to disagree until there's hard evidence one way or another.

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I learned two things in the 60’s from this old freak. How to top and that pot could be hermaphrodite. He was quite an expert on drug matters. This was years before feminized seeds were a thought. Further Wes said it would happen from stress like no water. You grew guerilla back then. On someone else’s land. So some strains may have a greater tendency but feminized seeds are probably no more prone than anything else anymore. I do grow strictly regularly photoperiod plants.

CanadianJim said:

Far as I've read the genetics of cannabis still aren't fully understood, and they don't really know why about one out of 3000 (iirc) feminized seeds grows as a full male.
If your plant "turns" male, it's not because of other males being around, it hermed.
I've recently had a bit of a debate with another member on here as to whether stress will cause a female pant to herm or if those that herm after stress were already hermies, just not expressing any male traits until stressed.
We've decided to agree to disagree until there's hard evidence one way or another.

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i tend to believe that there's real hermies, plants that will show intersex no matter the conditions or not, than there's plants that aren't true hermies, and will only show intersex traits when stressed from different things, such as low watering, heat stress, etc, etc, etc.. plants that only show intersex traits aren't what is often referred to as a true hermie, and only hermied due to stress..

i know this is an old thread, but seems someone's interested.. the feminizing process does absolutely zero to the genetics of the plant, meaning, that so long as the parent stock was stable, the offspring will also be stable, but that holds true for either feminized seeds or regular photo period seeds.. junk in, junk out is a good way to look at it..
all spraying a plant with a chemical such as g.a or c.s does is prevent the female hormone, ethylene, from producing in an other wise female plant where it was sprayed.. with the absence of the female hormone, an otherwise female plant will start to produce male, stamenate flowers instead of female, pistilate flowers.. a breeder than takes the pollen produced by the male flowers on a female plant, and either pollinates the female flowers on the same plants, creating what is known as an s1, or a selfed 1 filial generation, or they take that male pollen, and use it on a completely different plant, the resulting seeds would be an f1 generation..

^^^Agree with both statements^^^

CanadianJim said:

Far as I've read the genetics of cannabis still aren't fully understood, and they don't really know why about one out of 3000 (iirc) feminized seeds grows as a full male.
If your plant "turns" male, it's not because of other males being around, it hermed.
I've recently had a bit of a debate with another member on here as to whether stress will cause a female pant to herm or if those that herm after stress were already hermies, just not expressing any male traits until stressed.
We've decided to agree to disagree until there's hard evidence one way or another.

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#1: Probability % that includes chaos theory = mathematical probability of 1:3000
#2: @racerboy71 (supporting your point above) - I have personally seen perfectly running females throw honest male "balls" (not simply nanners, and from real strait run beans), and not for any stress. Then you have those that will stress induce. Thing is, you can get even the most stable strain to induce (nanners) by simply running it too long....
#3: They do not "have to be" a "hermie" to have induced male part production...

Dr. Who said:

^^^Agree with both statements^^^



#1: Probability % that includes chaos theory = mathematical probability of 1:3000
#2: @racerboy71 (supporting your point above) - I have personally seen perfectly running females throw honest male "balls" (not simply nanners, and from real strait run beans), and not for any stress. Then you have those that will stress induce. Thing is, you can get even the most stable strain to induce (nanners) by simply running it too long....
#3: They do not "have to be" a "hermie" to have induced male part production...

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roderlization... here's a question for you doc, will all plants throw nanners if left to flower for too long? i know that's the rumor on how soma made his original ecsd beans, but i thought i've read here and there that not all plants will throw nanners in the way you're talking about.. tia.

racerboy71 said:

roderlization... here's a question for you doc, will all plants throw nanners if left to flower for too long? i know that's the rumor on how soma made his original ecsd beans, but i thought i've read here and there that not all plants will throw nanners in the way you're talking about.. tia.

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You know, your right... I have not observed that in many strains. Have seen that happen at some level (even just a few nanners) in plenty though.
Not like I let all my strains run that long to actually test that theory.
I really have to side with you on that (after thinking about it deeply)...I have seen a few that I expected to, not. That alone wins your case.
Still, I have seen a few that I never expected to throw nanners, do it. But, that does not carry my statement.

Good point!

Dominathan said:

He's right. You'll never receive a "male" plant from a feminized seed. The most you'll get is a hermaphrodite plant (exhibiting both male and female flowers). Be warned though, hermaphrodites can pollinate a whole crop of females.
Some strains are more prone to hermies than others. Just be sure not too stress your plant too much, especially when it comes to the lighting schedule!

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I recently got a pack of hello feminized from csi humboldt and i got a full blown male out of the pack not a herm a straight male i put in a pot and put in tent it dropped pollen two days later i keep it's pollen to use on something. from what everyone says you can get a male but don't happen very often its like hitting a jack pot at the casino

Got a feminized Cannarado Twins here that's kicking out male flowers before any female that I can see (and I'm pretty good at spotting pistils). These are proper male flowers too (not banans like I see in mainly female flowers sometimes later in flowering). All other plants in the tent have fully shown as female with no sign of any male flowers. I had this earlier in my growing career on some Kosher kush, and ditched 3 of them straight away when they showed male. The same thing has happened once or twice since then and I've found that picking off the male flowers stopped them appearing, and the pistils popped up not long after. All of these plants have then kicked out bananas later in flowering, but I'm pretty sure picking off the early male flowers has stopped the hermie effect for a bit (because I've always been lucky and never ended up with many seeds in those crops - and some of those hermie phenos have been amazing weed).

Further to this, I would like to add to the body of evidence in this thread. I have probably grown out over 150 different plants from seed now over 10 years or so, all feminized. I have never had a male. Only the hermies as described above. Fascinating to see Odin's Garden's post - I honestly assumed it wasn't possible. I've heard good things about that strain too, and thought it to be super stable. Hopefully that isn't what I've got my hands on here with this 'Twins', and my previous method will be successful. If it isn't, and the feminized seed does turn out to be fully male I will get some pictures and post them in here in due course.

The 'Twins' kicked out another set of male flowers at the next node. I pinched them off as well. The day after that pistils have appeared at the top couple of nodes, and no further male flowers. Hopefully if I can keep her stress free from here on in she won't be too hermie till it's too late to matter.