Can I use a water pump to make compost tea

PubZombie

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Hi all, been reading RIU for a couple of years so thanks for all the great post on this site, it has been very helpful.

So wanted to get your thoughts on using a water pump for making compost tea. The pump moves a lot of water so not sure if that is a good thing. I already had the pump and PVC so I haven’t spent any money yet, just wanted to see if it worked in terms of circulating water in the bucket—which it does quite well! Really just questioning if it is good for the microbes and bacteria. Any thoughts?
 

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Weedvin

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Hi all, been reading RIU for a couple of years so thanks for all the great post on this site, it has been very helpful.

So wanted to get your thoughts on using a water pump for making compost tea. The pump moves a lot of water so not sure if that is a good thing. I already had the pump and PVC so I haven’t spent any money yet, just wanted to see if it worked in terms of circulating water in the bucket—which it does quite well! Really just questioning if it is good for the microbes and bacteria. Any thoughts?
Yes, it's a very good practice.
As always check the waters pH. I've used a heating matt secured to the side of a five gallon bucket/ Compost tea.
 

Rozgreenburn

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I guess it would work but, I only use an air pump with a large air stone and a seedling mat for heat. My teas usually start with more semi solids [EWC and steer manure] and particulate matter [dry amendments], so it might be very hard on a small pump. Oops, I just noticed the size of that pump, carry on, that pump should mix it up fine
 

green_machine_two9er

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Hi all, been reading RIU for a couple of years so thanks for all the great post on this site, it has been very helpful.

So wanted to get your thoughts on using a water pump for making compost tea. The pump moves a lot of water so not sure if that is a good thing. I already had the pump and PVC so I haven’t spent any money yet, just wanted to see if it worked in terms of circulating water in the bucket—which it does quite well! Really just questioning if it is good for the microbes and bacteria. Any thoughts?
Not sure how well just a pump will aerate water. Microbes need oxygen in an otherwise anaerobic environment to thrive. typically air pumps are used for this reason over water pumps. AACT. Air activated compost tea.
 
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PubZombie

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Thanks for the quick responses! I’ll give it a try. I did read that oxygen enters water at the surface so it’s the cycling of the water that helps. The article was way over my head but that‘s sounds like what the author was saying. Thanks again.,.
 

Rozgreenburn

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Hey bud, I think that after a few hearty bong rips, I think you can aerate as well! just make sure the return pipe stops an inch or more above the water level in the bucket. That will definitely put plenty of oxygen in the tea. Another point of interest, make sure to use this tea within 4-6 hours. The fresher the better [more microbial activity...
 

bam0813

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It would if you plumbed it to pour back into the barrel. Dont think just circulation would be as effective. Need to create ripples and bubbles/ disturbance on surface
 

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xtsho

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Take the elbow off so the water sprays straight up and then put something over it to direct the water back down. You'll have basically a fountain and will aerate better than airstones.
 

Weedvin

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I guess it would work but, I only use an air pump with a large air stone and a seedling mat for heat. My teas usually start with more semi solids [EWC and steer manure] and particulate matter [dry amendments], so it might be very hard on a small pump. Oops, I just noticed the size of that pump, carry on, that pump should mix it up fine
I get burlap bags/draw strings 8"× 10" from uline. I put 4-cups compost ( CPR my own recipe that's finished, cooled) in the bag to soak in warm water (5- gal) 24 hrs. Makes near black tea that can be divided 2-3 times.
 

Weedvin

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I get burlap bags/draw strings 8"× 10" from uline. I put 4-cups compost ( CPR my own recipe that's finished, cooled) in the bag to soak in warm water (5- gal) 24 hrs. Makes near black tea that can be divided 2-3 times.
Here's some pics of the buds from my Organic knowledge ?
 

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kratos015

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*source below

"Although water molecules contain an oxygen atom, this oxygen is not what is needed by organisms living in natural waters . A small amount of oxygen, up to about ten molecules of oxygen per million of water, is actually dissolved in water."

"Rapidly moving water, such as in a mountain stream or large river, tends to contain a lot of dissolved oxygen, whereas stagnant water contains less. Bacteria in water can consume oxygen as organic matter decays. Thus, excess organic material in lakes and rivers can cause eutrophic conditions, which is an oxygen-deficient situation that can cause a water body to "die."

Article about fish, though the principal is similar with plants as they too consume the dissolved oxygen from the water. Why overwatering wreaks havoc. Water remains "stagnant" at the bottom of a pot because the plant has already consumed the oxygen, but the water is still there. Doesn't take long for anaerobic bacteria to take hold at this point, at which acidic pH conditions, root rot, and gnats are nearly guaranteed.

Pretty much, where there is movement/flow of water, it will be oxygenated. Sure, a fish pump can "technically" move air better than a water pump (designed to move water, not oxygenate it). However, the very act of the pump causing consistent and steady movement to the water will provide oxygen to it.

Aerobic = oxygen

Anaerobic bacteria literally cannot be the predominant bacteria species in the soil web in an environment with oxygen. It's not about whether or not you have certain bacteria, but what is in the majority and what is in the minority.

We all have anaerobic bacteria in our soil, its just not dominant. It's a minimal fraction of the anaerobic bacteria, if anything. By providing air to your water, you will oxygenate it and therefore make it impossible for anaerobic bacteria to gain dominion here.

You should be just fine using the water pump, and you'll know if your tea is bad or not. Much like compost, teas will either smell sweet and earthy, or it'll smell like shit.

Wanna know if you have good compost/tea? Super easy trick. Ever find yourself stoned as fuck huffing on a handful of dirt or a bucket of oxygen infused shit for 5+ minutes? You have good compost/tea.

If you don't zone out on how amazing your compost smells, your compost needs to decompose more. If your tea smells bad for any reason, dump it, and sanitize any equipment that came into contact with said tea.



All of that being said? Teas are superfluous friend. Much like with normal gardening, it takes more than a few months to produce results. First harvests are rarely phenomenal, but they produce the basis for which the subsequent harvests will come.

Living soil is no different. Think of the soil web as a city. It's small, recently built, and few people have taken residence. A few "years" later, it isn't a recently built small town. Now it's an established town. Given time, proper care, and resources, it expands to a full blown metropolis. Meticulously and perfectly controlled by microbes so tiny that there are billions in a fingernail's worth of soil.

Haven't used teas since 2013ish.

Reality is that for the most part, teas are a bandaid that mask the symptoms but don't actually solve the problem. The problem being, imbalance in the soil web.


Living soil is about cultivating a soil web that is vibrant and full of life, and the byproduct of that happens to be seemingly "perfectly" grown plants.

Cultivate a soil filled with life, and life will follow. Drop some good genetics into a soil that has been alive for months/years in a bed, and you'll definitely see results.


All the best.






Source: https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/dissolved-oxygen-and-water?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
 
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PubZombie

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Wow, great advice and in-depth information. I’ll try some of the suggestions since it will be a good learning experience. I’ll will also try an air pump since it may be more effective at oxygenating the water and cheaper to run than the 3.8 amp water pump!
 
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