Can you give a plant too much nitrogen

SeeRockCity said:

yes, flush those puppies and give it something like a 2-8-4 (notice the low nitrogen)

you want higher nitrogen in Veg... little to none in flower...depending on your other soil additives.

That 10-19-9 from Vitalink seems like a little too much nitrogen for your girls...
I would check out Fox Farms nutrients if you have the $....

If you continue using vitalink... try weakening the dosage to .5 or even .25 because of the high nitrogen in it.
you could also supplement that with a 0-33-23 (like Humbolt nutrients) so your P&K levels could be focused on as they should in flower.....

but again....Fox Farms makes a product line that 'hits the nail on the head'... as with most flowering nutrients.... the N should be lower than 10 IMO...or you will experience burn and not get enough P&K to your ladies....

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SeeRockCity said:

wow, your lady looks quite lovely!!

I would venture to say that this yellowing is fairly normal...
especially in the stage you are in.
The little nitrogen that the plant has should be rushing to the buds and that whole process...leaving the fan leaves desperate for nitrogen.

from what I've read on here, it's not a huge deal and fairly common.
but again...i am a newb..so take that into consideration too.

After flubbing around with nutrients for a while I finally gave in and got

Big Grow
Big Bloom
Tiger Bloom

from Fox Farms... it's good stuff... and I have a few additives that I use in place of their other nutrient suggestions.
If you buy it in a trio pack (available on amazon) it comes with a nutrient feeding schedule...(also available online...)

I also have a similar setup to yours...
I have a veg room with 400W MH
and flowering room with 600W HPS

happy growing!

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Everything highlighted in red is wrong. All bad advice.

What I don't get is how chuck thinks its ok to be yellowing that bad in week 5 of flower. I'll bet the yellow was there in week 4 also.

a mongo frog said:

What I don't get is how chuck thinks its ok to be yellowing that bad in week 5 of flower. I'll bet the yellow was there in week 4 also.

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Who said I thought it was ok? I use veg nutes all the way thru so I don't get yellow. What advise are you offering? or are you here to butt in like the other douche?

chuck estevez said:

Who said I thought it was ok? I use veg nutes all the way thru so I don't get yellow. What advise are you offering? or are you here to butt in like the other douche?

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Don't get so mad at me. I love u. My advice would be a nice foliar spray like a magic green, or a tea loaded with great goodies sprayed on like a motherfucker about 2 hours before light go on. But what do I know your the expert.

a mongo frog said:

Don't get so mad at me. I love u. My advice would be a nice foliar spray like a magic green, or a tea loaded with great goodies sprayed on like a motherfucker about 2 hours before light go on. But what do I know your the expert.

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I'm done with this thread, apparently it's o.k to give bad advise, it just isn't o.k to tell people to stop giving it.

a mongo frog said:

Don't get so mad at me. I love u. My advice would be a nice foliar spray like a magic green, or a tea loaded with great goodies sprayed on like a motherfucker about 2 hours before light go on. But what do I know your the expert.

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Hi m8 been told sprays are a bad idea during flower as this can cause mold am i correct. cheers

a mongo frog said:

What I don't get is how chuck thinks its ok to be yellowing that bad in week 5 of flower. I'll bet the yellow was there in week 4 also.

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yes m8 started at week 3 and i no thats not right

@ Alexander Supertramp - the first set of quotes was a broad response to the question at hand....
my advice changed a lot after I saw pictures...

you can call it wrong or bad...but it is what I have experienced...and read... how about give some advice of your own?!?! maybe?

or are we just here to try and make others look bad?

Yes, my advice is shaky as I am only in my second year of growing... thats why I preempted it with "HEY, I'M A FUCKING NEWB!!"

but I will continue to express my opinions...as wrong as they may be and I hope it pisses you and ChuckFuck off to no end!! That's why it's called a FORUM and not a fucking ENCYCLOPEDIA!!!

SeeRockCity said:

@ Alexander Supertramp - the first set of quotes was a broad response to the question at hand....
my advice changed a lot after I saw pictures...

you can call it wrong or bad...but it is what I have experienced...and read... how about give some advice of your own?!?! maybe?

or are we just here to try and make others look bad?

Yes, my advice is shaky as I am only in my second year of growing... thats why I preempted it with "HEY, I'M A FUCKING NEWB!!"

but I will continue to express my opinions...as wrong as they may be and I hope it pisses you and ChuckFuck off to no end!! That's why it's called a FORUM and not a fucking ENCYCLOPEDIA!!!

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good, go ahead and help others fuck up there plants, what an asshole!!!

SeeRockCity said:

wow, your lady looks quite lovely!!

I would venture to say that this yellowing is fairly normal...
especially in the stage you are in.
The little nitrogen that the plant has should be rushing to the buds and that whole process...leaving the fan leaves desperate for nitrogen.

from what I've read on here, it's not a huge deal and fairly common.
but again...i am a newb..so take that into consideration too.

After flubbing around with nutrients for a while I finally gave in and got

Big Grow
Big Bloom
Tiger Bloom

from Fox Farms... it's good stuff... and I have a few additives that I use in place of their other nutrient suggestions.
If you buy it in a trio pack (available on amazon) it comes with a nutrient feeding schedule...(also available online...)

I also have a similar setup to yours...
I have a veg room with 400W MH
and flowering room with 600W HPS

happy growing!

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yeah, you changed your advise real good,lmfao

we should all follow this guy's advise, he's so smart he rhymed chuck with fuck!!!

chuck estevez said:

your issue isn't to much N, it's nute burn. you gave them to manyy ppm's of nutes.It isn't at a point you should even worry about it. your almost done.
Don't go changing your nutes around, what you have is fine.

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so after I saw his pictures and then told him that it was fairly normal..and hence, not much to worry about...

how was that different than your advice? are you saying your advice isn't worth a shit either? because in the end... we said the same fucking thing you douche!

SeeRockCity said:

so after I saw his pictures and then told him that it was fairly normal..and hence, not much to worry about...

how was that different than your advice?

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you told him a bunch of jibberish about nitrogen and plants sending it to the buds or some crap like that. i told him his problem wasn't to much N, But nute burn, completley opposite of your diagnosis and on top of that,a correct diagnosis. So now he knows what nute burn is and not just a bunch of stuff you dribbled out. the next person after me, offered up the best solution for him going forward.

medical/420 said:

just water it from now on, maby alittle calicum.

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this is great advise here

you dont want to give your plant nitrogen during the flowering stage give it a p booster

when flowering your plant takes up p when veg mode it takes up n but u really dont want to over do it n the n mode

chuck estevez said:

I'm done with this thread,

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you should stick with that Chucky.... you sound a lot smarter with your mouth shut...

I know my diagnosis was wrong...saying it 50 times doesnt make it any more wrong....
I put my 2 cents in because I like to compare what I've learned with what others have experienced.

I'm willing to learn......but you barely tried to offer any sort of remedy that we could learn from...unless 'shutting the fuck' up will really help with our gardening....

I can handle being wrong...
I just can't handle long suffering whiny little bitches like you....

SeeRockCity said:

you should stick with that Chucky.... you sound a lot smarter with your mouth shut...

I know my diagnosis was wrong...saying it 50 times doesnt make it any more wrong....
I put my 2 cents in because I like to compare what I've learned with what others have experienced.

I'm willing to learn......but you barely tried to offer any sort of remedy that we could learn from...unless 'shutting the fuck' up will really help with our gardening....

I can handle being wrong...
I just can't handle long suffering whiny little bitches like you....

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you seem to keep trying to insult me, bottom line, your wrong,I'm right, nananananananana.

no one sent you any mail reject...

and I'm not trying to insult you...I just find it fascinating that you seem to care more about telling people to shutup than you do about giving advice about cannabis growing.

the only reason I engaged in the first place is because I experienced the same and was told that it was fairly normal...
and I'd really love to hear an actual detailed explanation of what and why caused this to his plants...because I could benefit from it also....

but all you care about it running your mouth...and that's cool...if you like being a fucktard n all...

SeeRockCity said:

no one sent you any mail reject...

and I'm not trying to insult you...I just find it fascinating that you seem to care more about telling people to shutup than you do about giving advice about cannabis growing.

the only reason I engaged in the first place is because I experienced the same and was told that it was fairly normal...
and I'd really love to hear an actual detailed explanation of what and why caused this to his plants...because I could benefit from it also....

but all you care about it running your mouth...and that's cool...if you like being a fucktard n all...

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first, How do you know what anyone sent me? Pull your head out man,
I did explain it, but I'll spell it out for your little brain.

when you abuse bloom foods that are high in phosphorous and potassium and low in nitrogen and you give them high doses of them, you burn the plants. some strains can take more ppm's then others. when you exceed a plants tolerable ppm's. the leaves will burn,starting at the tip of the leaf.

When you have N toxicity, your plant will be a overly dark green, not yellow. You want to give enough N in flower to keep your plant green, NO yellow leaves on a almost finished plant is the sign a grower knows what he is doing.

see, thank you...

that was helpful...

I have been told on here that my similar yellowing was normal and I even went overboard and pruned waaaaay too much of said plants...(at the time I was researching pruning more so than yellowing)

I have left mine alone thus far and will not be touching them as I used to...and thankfully...no yellowing yet.
Probably due to my new found nutrient schedule (as before it was barely existent)
the pics you provided looked really nice.
I never knew the yellowing was bad...and now I know...

and if I have the problem again...I will know that my ppm is too high and I should probably flush and look into calcium deficiency...

..and I do see the benefits of having the fan leaves survive for the life of the plant...that is something I am hoping to achieve this time around.... my girl in late flower right now looks ridiculous with no fan leaves on it..I'm actually surprised that the buds got as big as they did...