Can you reactivate carbon

my7k

Active Member
All yall have good points but one crucial point you seem to have missed:

activated carbon adsorbs. It chemically bonds to contaminants. Fish poop and dust arent lowering the filters efficacy - theoretically the filter stops working when all exposed bonding sites have been utilized to adsorb an impurity. This doesnt happen too quickly, although as mentioned, carbon must be replaced periodically.

True, water has a lot of other impurities that your grow room probably lacks but another important point:

Water is far more dense than air. 600x I think is a figure I heard? Not sure about that part. What I am sure of - air carbon filters have great potential and yes, if your fan isnt sufficient its probably not pushing air deep into the carbon. Try smashing it up a little at a time. Trial and error.
 

wyteboi

Well-Known Member
very good info i found on the net!
In order to re-activate activated-carbon, it must undergo a process called Pyrolysis. (The thermal decomposition of organic material through the application of heat in the absence of oxygen.). To fully re-activate saturated activated-carbon, you must heat it to approximately 1,472 °F, in a controlled atmosphere of low oxygen concentration to reduce the possibility of combustion. This fact is even stated in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers – Engineering and Design, Adsorption Design Guide, Design Guide No. DG1110-1-2.

so no u cant reactivate it at home AT ALL.
 

BigBudBalls

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Well if thats all it takes. A HVAC vacuum pump, bottle of nitrogen, a good metal box (probably the tough part), a BBQ grill, and shop vac and ya can. oh add in a K thermocouple for reading temps.

Good info, thanks. Won't do it. Cheaper to buy it.

very good info i found on the net!
In order to re-activate activated-carbon, it must undergo a process called Pyrolysis. (The thermal decomposition of organic material through the application of heat in the absence of oxygen.). To fully re-activate saturated activated-carbon, you must heat it to approximately 1,472 °F, in a controlled atmosphere of low oxygen concentration to reduce the possibility of combustion. This fact is even stated in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers – Engineering and Design, Adsorption Design Guide, Design Guide No. DG1110-1-2.

so no u cant reactivate it at home AT ALL.
 

longbeachallstar

Active Member
I make no claim to being an expert in the field of carbon scrubbing and carbon particles etc. and i realize that this is an old thread. But i thought i'd hopefully save people some trouble on all this DIY carbon scrubber stuff...

I've looked online - there is carbon for aquariums and carbon for air - you have to get the carbon for air.

They have different grades of carbon - they should have a 'pore size' that actually is good for the kind of odor you're trying to filter. It got complicated at this point - figuring out if I wanted to get rid of an ammonia smell or a formaldehyde smell. Carbon is also made of different materials - which also makes it better to absorb certain odors. (I hear stay away from coconut carbon).

I've also read that a higher humidity and temperature renders the carbon (for air filtering) less effective.

The theory behind carbon is, as many have stated before me, is that the odor particles are attached to the pores of the carbon. when those pores are used it - it is time to change the carbon. If you have smaller pores or finer carbon then they will remove the odor quickly - but will be filled faster. Carbon with larger pores will also remove the odor and probably last longer but probably wont be as effective. This is why when you buy these manufactured carbon scrubbers they tend to have at least 10lbs of carbon in them - with at least an inch to two inches of carbon that the air must pass through. Again, that deals with the contact time of carbon - so if your exhaust fan is too powerful and you have 10" of carbon to pass through - it probably woundn't help because the air is just bypassing the pores. So matching the amount of carbon to your fan's CFM rating is important. As for the humidity stated earlier - i'm guessing that water clogs the pores; as for the higher temperatures, i could tell you a rationale for that. I looked on ebay and someone was selling carbon that had a CTC 60 rating, supposedly that's good - but how the hell are you supposed to know? ---break out your supermicron meter and measure???

I've seen several plans for DIY carbon filters. Small carbon filters that use a big can from can food, and larger filters that use round cylindrical laundry baskets, and one's that look quite professional looking. I've gone with the latter. I've been deciding on what type of carbon to buy by doing research. And my google search to find out if i could reactivate carbon has lead me to this thread.

I'd be an idiot if i didn't answer the original question you asked. I've read you could reactivate carbon by putting it through high temperatures to burn off the impurities that filled the pores. And you need special equipment to do so - as other's have posted. I just wanted to leave you with some information so that you'd buy the right carbon and create the right conditions for its use.

Good luck with getting the smell to go away. I would suggest a combination of things - i picked up a Jr. Ozone by CAP... it works well, but it has that annoying ozone smell that i can't stand. and since i sleep in the room i grow in - i had to find another alternative, but imagine if you put that on a timer when you aren't home... It really sucks because I like the fresh smell of herbs - other's in the house don't care for it and i'd prefer not to have to move at this point in time.

I digress...
 

Xan2

Well-Known Member
Can i buy some activated carbon to replace in my filter?

Will aquarium carbon works?
 
Hello guys, I design, build and sell activated carbon filters for both liquid and air phase for industrial petro chemical clients. I was recently working on a small project for a filter at home and in doing some research found a great web site for buying smaller quantities of activated carbon. They have got great quality activated carbon and sell both liquid phase and air phase carbon. check them out if you need some replacement carbon. www.yourchemicalconnection.com

Later and good luck with your filter!
 

Spuzzum

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Build yourself a real carbon filter instead of a sewn up baggie in your vent pipe, it costs only about 25 bucks plus carbon which is cheap and you can buy enough to last forever.

AND PLEASE

Do not buy carbon at the petstore. for the price of 20g you can get 20lbs on ebay.

That depends on where you live though.. US residents get free shipping. Canadian residents pay through the nose. I was just looking myself, as I can get "Marineland Black Diamond Premium Activated Carbon - 3.65 L (40 oz/2.5 lb) for $20 plus tax here in town:

http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/product-info.php?product_ID=aqr-bd068


Yes, "3 lbs Activated Carbon" is only US$17.99 (Approximately C$17.84) on ebay, but they also want US$19.95 for shipping.. making it US$37.94.. as well as the tax:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-lbs-Activated-Carbon-LARGE-AIR-PHASE-pellets-coarse-/290392148785?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439cb88b31


I was originally looking for "20 LBS Premier Activated Carbon".. US$53.00, but with US$35.00 for shipping.. making it US$88.00 before tax:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/20-LBS-Premier-Activated-Carbon-Aquarium-Pond-Reef-/180556596376?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0a030498


Then there's also the brokerage fee that UPS charges, as well as a duty fee for Canada Customs. I just went through this.. cost $10.67 extra on a $100 item.

So that would come to $100 (roughly) for the 20lb, tax inc, plus $10 or so for the brokerage/duty fees. $110 for 20lb.

20lb of the Marineland Black Diamond, here in town, would come to $160 + tax.. $175. But that's also a smaller pellet.. more effective as it settles more compactly.




What would be nice is to get the Black Diamond by the bucket.. if they have it.
 

Spuzzum

Well-Known Member
Well, not a bucket full, but a lot cheaper..

Marineland Black Diamond Activated Carbon - 40oz / $12.99 + tax ($15 ?), with free shipping at $49 and above.
http://www.petmountain.com/product//11442-502870/marineland-black-diamond-activated-carbon.html#

So 8 x 40oz jugs (3.65L/2.5lb) = 20lb. 8 x $15 = $120.. with free shipping. Might get caught with brokerage/duty fees.. not sure where this company is to begin with. But that's only $10 or $20 more than 20lb of the generic pellets from ebay.
 

Medi 1

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all a waste of time./ can buy filters for less than they cost to make. non of those are the right carbon. those are all water carbons. not good enough for same efficiency or life as real carbon we want. size of pellet has no0thing to do with it. its the surface area. and larger pellets dont always have more surface area..its about the porosity not over all area. the mr filter guy should have known that if hes in the same bizz as i am. petrolium and growing are 2 diff filter needs
 

Spuzzum

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all a waste of time./ can buy filters for less than they cost to make. non of those are the right carbon. those are all water carbons. not good enough for same efficiency or life as real carbon we want. size of pellet has no0thing to do with it. its the surface area. and larger pellets dont always have more surface area..its about the porosity not over all area. the mr filter guy should have known that if hes in the same bizz as i am. petrolium and growing are 2 diff filter needs

The same shit for water is the same shit for air.. carbon is carbon dude :p. And the size of the pellet is essential.. if large gaps between the pockets, then air travels straight through unrestricted.. ie: ineffective.

I used to buy industrial filter sheets from a warehouse in town.. 2" thick x 12" x 16" (or so). I'd cut them in 1/2 to make 2 filters for my cab.. duct taped the opening so not to lose the carbon. And the carbon was the same as the small granules in the bottom pic. Not pellets or balls, but small chunky granules.

More than a few longtime growers use the Black Diamond.. all swear by it. Guess they're wrong?

But if peeps want to pay a couple hundred $$ for a factory built can-filter.. be my guest...


ps: I see you're in Van... the warehouse was in Ditchmond near 5 and Cambie.
 

Spuzzum

Well-Known Member
Can my Filter be refilled?

Technically the filter can be re-filled, but it is not a good idea to self-fill the filters at all, the reason for this is that Can-Filters uses an industrial shaker with timed intervals and a dust extraction system, to ensure a packed carbon bed. This eliminates the possibility of preferred air channels through the filter, because as we all know, air does not wait in line to go through a filter it finds the path of least resistance and crowds in. So if you tried packing the filter yourself, as soon as you got it as full as you think you could get it, attached a fan and turned it on, the fan would vibrate the carbon, and over time the carbon would settle and you would be left with air gaps all over the place presenting the air with channels to flow through the filter and possibly leave untreated.


http://www.canfilters.com/faq.html
That's from "Can-Filter" themselves.
 

Spuzzum

Well-Known Member
If you live in the lower mainland...



Odour Control Filters & Bulk Carbon

B.C. Air Filter carries a wide variety of gas-phase absorbers for odour and VOC control. From light-duty residential products and heavy-duty commercial cells, to bulk activated carbons and impregnated materials, B.C. Air Filter ensures you get the right product for the job. For industrial customers, we also offer testing and products for corrosion monitoring. Carbon filter housings for new construction are available in both front & side-access configurations.


http://www.bcairfilter.com/Products.html
The filter on the very top looks similar to what I used to get.. a honeycombed, nylon mesh encased filter slab. Honeycombed so the carbon stays in place when mounted on it's side.

I'm sure there's a source like this in virtually every city. And seeing as they sell "bulk" is even better.
 

Medi 1

Well-Known Member
ok..sory carbon is not the same. i also worked in the fioeld and no way is it same. and size dont mean more obsorbtion from porosity. could be a solid piece with very little pores or holes. or a tiny p[iece with mahy microscopic pores to obsorb way more odours. and i dont pay hundreds for filters either...guess your being ripped off by the shop then. mine was 130 tax in and running 24/7 for 3 year now..
im not saying the guys using that are wrong..they just dont know carbon is all. just cause someone uses something dosent mean they know why even. look up rc-48 carbon. we actualy test in labs not in a grow room and see how long they last...thats not scientific testing...lol..weres the iodine to see whats in his carbon to see how well it worked.

and can filters suck to. heavy steel case weighs a ton lower grade carbon so they cram more in and add more weight to make up for poor efficiency.....ive made many of my own fitler in the 30 years of doing this and not 1 has lasted as it should.

try Gp filters or phat...they use the better carbon
 

Spuzzum

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Never said shit about size vs absorbtion.. I said smaller particles leave less gaps for air to weave through freely. And carbon is carbon.. except for what it was made from. Other than that, it's the way it's activated that makes it different.. ie: acid, heat, steam,.. Although aquarium medium is acticated with steam, it still cleans the air. As for specific air based carbon.. can either be acid or heat activated.

As for getting ripped off.. I make everything myself.. I just quoted what was priced locally.. Jon's.
http://www.jonsplantfactory.com/Can-Filter-33

A Can-Filter 33 - 14" - 200CFM is $154 + tx, and the Can-Filter Max - 2500CFM is $396.

Can-Filter 33 Specifications

Max Recirculating (Scrubbing) CFM: 400 cfm / 700 m³h

Max Exhaust CFM: 200 cfm / 350 m³h
@ 0.1 sec contact time
Recommended Min Airflow: 100 cfm / 175 m³h
Prefilter: Yes
Flange: 4", 6"
Dimensions: (with pre-filter)
·Outside Diameter: 30.5cm / 12"
·Height: 33cm / 13"
·Total Weight: 11.5kg / 25.3lbs.
·Carbon Weight: 7.5kg / 16.5lbs.
·Carbon Bed Depth: 5cm / 2"
Max 2500

Max Recirculating (Scrubbing) CFM: 2500 cfm

Max Exhaust CFM: 1250 cfm
@ 0.1 sec contact time
Recommended Min Airflow: 625 CFM
Prefilter: Yes
Flange: 8, 10 & 12"
Dimensions: (with pre-filter)
·Outside Diameter: 50 cm / 20"
·Height: 100 cm / 39.4"
·Weight: 47kg / 103lbs.
·Carbon Weight: 37kg / 81.5lbs
·Carbon Bed Depth: 6.5 cm / 2.5"

"and can filters suck to. heavy steel case weighs a ton lower grade carbon so they cram more in and add more weight to make up for poor efficiency...."

Heavy steel case?? It's mesh..

[video=youtube;OVHSLDegQWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVHSLDegQWw[/video]

The Can 33's case is 10lb's at 13" height, and the Max 2500's case is 20lbs at 40" height.... you think that's "heavy"? That's mostly just the flanges. Want lighter, find plastic flanges and replace.
 

Spuzzum

Well-Known Member
ive made many of my own fitler in the 30 years of doing this and not 1 has lasted as it should.
30 years? What are ya .. 50? Iv'e lived in Van my whole life, and no one over 40 calls this place "Vansterdam". It's a slap in the face. Makes us sound like we're fuckin' wannabe's, when everybody knows we're already at the top.
 

Medi 1

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ya son..almost 30 years and. what older guys dont grow???..man cant even throw a bit of humor in the username info and get insulted. to bad you feel like a wannabe...maybe you are. typical to turn this to insults. id rather be from vansterdam than an inbred town of spuzzum like your username advertises....son

ya i know its a mesh casing as all filter are. its still made of steel over aluminum. so others are lighter. they also use cheeper grade carbon as i already said so they use more to keep up with the competition.. sure the origibal sources are mostly the same and i should have been more clear i reffer to the end result that we actualy use, didnt think that one was that hard to follow
that little toy can 33 is almost 10 pounds...almost half the total weight,,,not heavy,? its only 1 foot long. others are that for a total weight in comparable sizes made from lighter metal for the case.
why would i want to drill out the flanges and make them plastic and void the warrantee and still only get maybe 1 year use from the crap. ill just buy one thast lasts 3 so far and is cheeper and ligthter. your stats show nothing to show quality. weights and sizes is all....and cfm..how bout what microns...thats what counts for efficfiency. not the amount used now the weight. i see another fooled by adverwstising...thought you worked in this field and not a mention yet of micron info and how filers are tested...

the stuff for fish tanks are for large micron shit. we dont have visable pieces of odour in our air as there is visable large pieces in our fish tanks to clean. why doies worker compo require diff filter for diff sized micron gas or contaminates then if its all the same


Pore Structure While openings into the carbon structure may be of various shapes, the term "pore," implying a cylindrical opening, is widely used. A description of the minute distances between walls of these pores, normally expressed as a function of the total surface area or total pore volume presented by pores of various "diameters," is the pore structure curve. The following sketches show some sample pore structure curves and what approximate pore shapes are described by the curves. Please note that the average pore shape depicted is derived from a summation of pores of various sizes and shapes. Thus no pore within the activated carbon is likely to have precisely the average shape, but the granular activated carbon overall will often perform as if all its surface area were in pores of that shape.

The smallest diameter pores make up the micropore structure, and are the highest adsorption energy sites. Microporosity is helpful in adsorbing lower molecular weight, lower boiling point organic vapors, as well as in removing trace organics in water to non-detectable levels. Larger pore openings make up the macroporosity, which is useful in adsorbing very large molecules and aggregates of molecules, such as "color bodies" in raw sugar solutions. Another important function of the macropore structure is in assisting diffusion of fluids to adsorption sites in the interior of the carbon particle.
Given the above, pore structure. (1) would be effective in adsorbing high volatility solvents, for certain types of odor control, and in removing trace organics from water; the latter with the liability of marginal diffusion characteristics. Pore structures along the lines of. (2) offer a good balance of selectivity for molecules of various sizes, ability to reduce vaporous and liquid contamination to ultra low levels, and good diffusion characteristics. Structure (3) would allow excellent diffusion and can accommodate very large molecular sizes, but has little micro- pore structure and would have very poor retentivity for most organics.

Particle Size
The size of most granular activated carbons is given by the U.S. Sieve range that will include the majority of the particles in a distribution of sizes. Typically the range will cover 85-95% of the total product, with a few percent slightly larger and smaller sizes permitted by specification. A similar approach is occasionally used with Tyler Screen or other screen sizes. Pelletized carbon, although not truly granular, often is described by the sieve range method, or by diameter of the pellets.
Common vapor phase U.S. Sieve size ranges are 4x6, 4x8, 4x1 0, 6x16 and 12x30. Liquid phase granular activated carbons are usually somewhat smaller, with 8x30, 12x20, 12x40 and 20x50 being common. Detailed sieve descriptions are found in engineering handbooks, so only a few representative sizes are given here:

Since impurity removal requires the diffusion of adsorbate into the intra particle structure, the rate of adsorption will increase as the particle size decreases. As fluid flows through an adsorber, increased rate of adsorption will require less adsorbent bed depth and contact time for the region in which the adsorbate is being removed. This functional adsorption region is termed the adsorption wave front or ~ transfer zone. However, with any given fluid, decreasing particle size carries the liability of increasing flow resistance or pressure drop. In practice, particle sizes are selected to produce a reasonable balance between the competitive benefits of rapid rate of adsorption and effective removal, versus the liabilities of increased flow resistance and attendant higher pumping costs.


Quality Assurance Granular activated carbons quality and uniformity will fundamentally relate to characteristics involving: (1) adsorption capacity and (2) a physical description of the product. The activated carbon industry, often in cooperation with A.S.T.M. and other standards organizations, has developed a series of tests that measure these characteristics. As would be expected, such tests can be used both as production controls and, as published specifications, assurance for prospective buyers.
Not all granular activated carbons manufacturers and distributors publish adsorption specifications. Among those that adhere to specifications, the same precise group of tests may not be used. However, some correlation of values is usually possible as, for example, between the vapor phase carbon tetrachloride test used in the U.S. and the benzene and acetone tests more common in Europe and the Far East.
Among physical tests, the methods to determine moisture, apparent density and particle size or distribution are relatively standard among manufacturers. Hardness or abrasion values may require some interpretation or correlation, as above.
Terms such as "high quality; excellent adsorption characteristics; hard; dense; etc." are inadequate substitutes for specifications. They offer no guidance for comparison, no assurance of quality, and no confidence of uniformity.
 

Medi 1

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little info from the competition in the bizz.


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Demand RC-48 Activated Carbon

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CTC or "airstream removal tests" (ASTM D 3467-94) prove that our carbon can absorb 108.3% of its own weight. This is how our small, but powerful filters produce higher CFM and filtration at half the size & weight of competing filters.
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To get the optimum product life from your Phresh® Filter, it should be used with the provided pre-filter sock. This pre-filter sock catches the large dust particulates and foreign materials which if allowed to come in contact with the carbon will ultimately clog the outer surface of the carbon before total internal saturation has been achieved. When this happens it unnecessarily shortens the product life of the filter. It is recommended that the pre-filter be machine-washed or replaced every six months. Extremely dusty environments may require a more regular cleaning program. Ideally, maximum air temperatures should be kept below 95° F (35° C). Relative humidity should be kept below 75% at all times. Remember, carbon will absorb moisture and will take up "space" in the carbon particulate, reducing its life span.
Life expectancy

There is no given limit to the life expectancy of RC-48 carbon and your Phresh® Filter. The total life span can only be governed by the amount of impurities absorbed by the carbon over time. The rate of air movement through the carbon bed, total air impurities and climatic conditions are the factors that determine the speed at which the porous carbon granules reach maximum capacity. Phresh® uses only RC-48 carbon. There is a global industry standard where carbon is tested for "ID factor" and are given an "iodine number" to American ATSM standards. ID factor can simply be explained as the measurement of the amount of iodine in milligrams that can be absorbed by a single gram of activated carbon. The higher the ID factor, the higher the absorption rate. The average coal based carbon is around 500 mg/g ID. On the other hand, RC-48 carbon has a guaranteed analysis of 1050 mg/g ID. All this said, as a guide rather than a rule, we suggest that a Phresh® Filters will last a typical user around two years.
 

Spuzzum

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ya son..almost 30 years and. what older guys dont grow???..man cant even throw a bit of humor in the username info and get insulted. to bad you feel like a wannabe...maybe you are. typical to turn this to insults. id rather be from vansterdam than an inbred town of spuzzum like your username advertises....son
LoL! I'm pushing 50 myself "pop".

ya i know its a mesh casing as all filter are. its still made of steel over aluminum. so others are lighter.
Guess you didn't watch the vid.. 2 layers of mesh, one inside the other.. covered by a prefilter.. no "steel over aluminum". At most it's steel mesh, and not aluminum.. which actually makes more sense. More durable in the long run.

they also use cheeper grade carbon as i already said so they use more to keep up with the competition.. sure the origibal sources are mostly the same and i should have been more clear i reffer to the end result that we actualy use, didnt think that one was that hard to follow
Proof, or just "your word"?

that little toy can 33 is almost 10 pounds...almost half the total weight,,,not heavy,? its only 1 foot long. others are that for a total weight in comparable sizes made from lighter metal for the case.
It's actually 25.3lbs at 13".. with 16.5lbs of carbon. The 39.4" can is 103lbs.. with 81.5lbs of carbon. That makes the mesh 5lbs at 13", and 15lbs at 39".. with the flanges weighing 2.5lbs a piece. .. 5lbs a foot for durable steel mesh (or aluminum) is pretty fair.

why would i want to drill out the flanges and make them plastic and void the warrantee and still only get maybe 1 year use from the crap. ill just buy one thast lasts 3 so far and is cheeper and ligthter. your stats show nothing to show quality. weights and sizes is all....and cfm..how bout what microns...thats what counts for efficfiency. not the amount used now the weight. i see another fooled by adverwstising...thought you worked in this field and not a mention yet of micron info and how filers are tested...
I said if the weight bothered "you".. nobody else complains.

the stuff for fish tanks are for large micron shit. we dont have visable pieces of odour in our air as there is visable large pieces in our fish tanks to clean. why doies worker compo require diff filter for diff sized micron gas or contaminates then if its all the same
Still works for collecting odours... that's why people use it.


Pore Structure While openings into the carbon structure may be of various shapes, the term "pore," implying a cylindrical opening, is widely used. A description of the minute distances between walls of these pores, normally expressed as a function of the total surface area or total pore volume presented by pores of various "diameters," is the pore structure curve. The following sketches show some sample pore structure curves and what approximate pore shapes are described by the curves. Please note that the average pore shape depicted is derived from a summation of pores of various sizes and shapes. Thus no pore within the activated carbon is likely to have precisely the average shape, but the granular activated carbon overall will often perform as if all its surface area were in pores of that shape.

The smallest diameter pores make up the micropore structure, and are the highest adsorption energy sites. Microporosity is helpful in adsorbing lower molecular weight, lower boiling point organic vapors, as well as in removing trace organics in water to non-detectable levels. Larger pore openings make up the macroporosity, which is useful in adsorbing very large molecules and aggregates of molecules, such as "color bodies" in raw sugar solutions. Another important function of the macropore structure is in assisting diffusion of fluids to adsorption sites in the interior of the carbon particle.
Given the above, pore structure. (1) would be effective in adsorbing high volatility solvents, for certain types of odor control, and in removing trace organics from water; the latter with the liability of marginal diffusion characteristics. Pore structures along the lines of. (2) offer a good balance of selectivity for molecules of various sizes, ability to reduce vaporous and liquid contamination to ultra low levels, and good diffusion characteristics. Structure (3) would allow excellent diffusion and can accommodate very large molecular sizes, but has little micro- pore structure and would have very poor retentivity for most organics.

Particle Size
The size of most granular activated carbons is given by the U.S. Sieve range that will include the majority of the particles in a distribution of sizes. Typically the range will cover 85-95% of the total product, with a few percent slightly larger and smaller sizes permitted by specification. A similar approach is occasionally used with Tyler Screen or other screen sizes. Pelletized carbon, although not truly granular, often is described by the sieve range method, or by diameter of the pellets.
Common vapor phase U.S. Sieve size ranges are 4x6, 4x8, 4x1 0, 6x16 and 12x30. Liquid phase granular activated carbons are usually somewhat smaller, with 8x30, 12x20, 12x40 and 20x50 being common. Detailed sieve descriptions are found in engineering handbooks, so only a few representative sizes are given here:

Since impurity removal requires the diffusion of adsorbate into the intra particle structure, the rate of adsorption will increase as the particle size decreases. As fluid flows through an adsorber, increased rate of adsorption will require less adsorbent bed depth and contact time for the region in which the adsorbate is being removed. This functional adsorption region is termed the adsorption wave front or ~ transfer zone. However, with any given fluid, decreasing particle size carries the liability of increasing flow resistance or pressure drop. In practice, particle sizes are selected to produce a reasonable balance between the competitive benefits of rapid rate of adsorption and effective removal, versus the liabilities of increased flow resistance and attendant higher pumping costs.


Quality Assurance Granular activated carbons quality and uniformity will fundamentally relate to characteristics involving: (1) adsorption capacity and (2) a physical description of the product. The activated carbon industry, often in cooperation with A.S.T.M. and other standards organizations, has developed a series of tests that measure these characteristics. As would be expected, such tests can be used both as production controls and, as published specifications, assurance for prospective buyers.
Not all granular activated carbons manufacturers and distributors publish adsorption specifications. Among those that adhere to specifications, the same precise group of tests may not be used. However, some correlation of values is usually possible as, for example, between the vapor phase carbon tetrachloride test used in the U.S. and the benzene and acetone tests more common in Europe and the Far East.
Among physical tests, the methods to determine moisture, apparent density and particle size or distribution are relatively standard among manufacturers. Hardness or abrasion values may require some interpretation or correlation, as above.
Terms such as "high quality; excellent adsorption characteristics; hard; dense; etc." are inadequate substitutes for specifications. They offer no guidance for comparison, no assurance of quality, and no confidence of uniformity.
Blah.. what's this prove? Obviously pore size plays in the effectiveness.. I was never debating pore size. I said pockets between particles due to loose packing allows odour to pass through without being cleaned. Ineffective.
 

Spuzzum

Well-Known Member
little info from the competition in the bizz.


Why Phresh®?


  • HALF THE WEIGHT
  • LASTS TWICE AS LONG
  • MOVES HIGHER CFM'S
  • PRICED SIMILAR TO COMPETITVE FILTERS
  • LARGEST SELECTION OF SIZES
Demand RC-48 Activated Carbon

To ensure total air filtration, there are several important factors to consider. The first and most important factor is carbon grade choice. Grade RC-48 carbon is derived from an ancient black coal deposit found only in Western Australia. The particular deposit is dated at over 250 million years old. After being extracted, the RC-48 carbon is kiln activated at 1200°C in a saturated steam atmosphere. It is this process together with the coals unique density that causes the pores in the carbon to form. This activation process makes the RC-48 carbon incredibly effective for the filtration of organic particles and other airborne materials. Because we use the purest available "activated virgin" carbon and our granulated carbon has more surface area than pelletized carbon, we can use significantly less carbon, thus making our filters half the weight of competitive filters. Other key factors that have been incorporated into Phresh® Filters are a perfect combination of granulate size, carbon surface area and carbon bed depth.

Phresh® Filter RC 48 Australian Carbon

Competitive Filter Carbon



Installation is a breeze

The world's lightest carbon filters, at less than half the weight of competitors, Phresh® Filters are easier to handle, install, transport and remove.
Standard laboratory equipment

Phresh® Filters are used by labs, plant breeding, germplasms, tissue culture and commercial greenhouses for their total airstream filtration requirements. This professional-grade equipment is now available to hobbyists world-wide. Control your growing environment with the best filters available on the market.
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CTC or "airstream removal tests" (ASTM D 3467-94) prove that our carbon can absorb 108.3% of its own weight. This is how our small, but powerful filters produce higher CFM and filtration at half the size & weight of competing filters.
Extend your filter life

To get the optimum product life from your Phresh® Filter, it should be used with the provided pre-filter sock. This pre-filter sock catches the large dust particulates and foreign materials which if allowed to come in contact with the carbon will ultimately clog the outer surface of the carbon before total internal saturation has been achieved. When this happens it unnecessarily shortens the product life of the filter. It is recommended that the pre-filter be machine-washed or replaced every six months. Extremely dusty environments may require a more regular cleaning program. Ideally, maximum air temperatures should be kept below 95° F (35° C). Relative humidity should be kept below 75% at all times. Remember, carbon will absorb moisture and will take up "space" in the carbon particulate, reducing its life span.
Life expectancy

There is no given limit to the life expectancy of RC-48 carbon and your Phresh® Filter. The total life span can only be governed by the amount of impurities absorbed by the carbon over time. The rate of air movement through the carbon bed, total air impurities and climatic conditions are the factors that determine the speed at which the porous carbon granules reach maximum capacity. Phresh® uses only RC-48 carbon. There is a global industry standard where carbon is tested for "ID factor" and are given an "iodine number" to American ATSM standards. ID factor can simply be explained as the measurement of the amount of iodine in milligrams that can be absorbed by a single gram of activated carbon. The higher the ID factor, the higher the absorption rate. The average coal based carbon is around 500 mg/g ID. On the other hand, RC-48 carbon has a guaranteed analysis of 1050 mg/g ID. All this said, as a guide rather than a rule, we suggest that a Phresh® Filters will last a typical user around two years.
Yeah, I've seen the video... he says "their" carbon is "best" because it's from Australia.. nothing about the grade, but the fact it came from Australia.


Kinda sounds like you're just a dealer.. trying to get people into thinking it's "impossible" to do this at home. "Don't waste your time.. just give me you money!"

If it's made in a factory, you can still make at home.. unless a piece of uncommon equipment is needed, which most wouldn't have in the garage. Anybody with basic high school construction skills, or even plain ol' handyman skills can do this. Most things made in a factory were first made in a prototype.. not always the prettiest, but good enough to do the job.


Good luck on sales man.................
 
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