Canada’s pot industry calling on Ottawa to stop rise of illegal stores Mike Hager

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

The Hippy said:
I hope and am doing all I can to help them loose their millions.
I know my enemy. It's LP's at this point. If you grow..they are YOUR enemy as well.

I see them more as an end to a means.
I will forever grow my own, but if having them around, investing their
Millions puts pressure on legalization and a supply chain I'm all for it.

We should be encouraging the right to grow as well as private investments into the mj market to ensure a fair system that works for consumers whether they be buying or growing their own to consume.

I understand the need for lp's, their investments, and contributions.
Those who fail in the business, weren't guaranteed success.

CannaReview · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
Okay, but as previously pointed out lp's invested millions in facilities, dispensaries have not. Where they get the product and for how much, who can say for sure?

There is no right not to fail, but we do have laws for all businesses to abide by for very good reasons.

Who told them to spend millions? It was them trying to be the biggest and baddest, well that didn't go so right. They are doing more damage to their customer base with going after the dispensaries then if they just kept quiet.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

CannaReview said:
Who told them to spend millions? It was them trying to be the biggest and baddest, well that didn't go so right. They are doing more damage to their customer base with going after the dispensaries then if they just kept quiet.

They're fighting for their customer base, they're up against others who choose to operate outside of the law.

It's not cheap setting up a small grow room, let alone paying insurance or wages.
A large scale to provide for people within the laws takes heavy investments.

The Hippy · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
They're fighting for their customer base, they're up against others who choose to operate outside of the law.

It's not cheap setting up a small grow room, let alone paying insurance or wages.
A large scale to provide for people within the laws takes heavy investments.

No sympathy from those who already grow......me thinks.
Failing them will be perfect....and believe me I have a long memory for my enemies.
Even if we go legal I'll make sure to support everyone but them. Small growers maybe.....but corporate weed.....NEVER !!!

JungleStrikeGuy · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I do grow my own, but I believe in a legal framework for business to operate.

Going with the 'well dispensaries are illegal, therefore bad' goes against how we got to where we are today. What Parker did was at the time illegal, and I'm not sure how you reconcile saying everyone should follow the law while breaking it yourself.

The truth about LP's, that I have seen very few dispute, is that they were handed a crony capitalist system. A 'free' market which holds a gun to patients heads.

And now someone from Tilray (iirc, may have been another LP) is repeating the Cons delusion that medical is 1 billion, and recreational will be 7 billion. These guys are deluding their shareholders so they can make some money on pump and dumps.

LP's are now complaining they're not cash flow positive and how terrible dispensaries are? Tough shit. I run a business and don't complain when a competitor can offer a superior product of service. If LP's can't compete in a truly fair market, then too bad.

And 'unfair advantage' of dispensaries? Get serious man. The only 'unfair advantage' is home grows being taken away so LP's can line their pockets while sick people suffer. You can't play both sides of the fence here.

CannaReview · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
They're fighting for their customer base, they're up against others who choose to operate outside of the law.

It's not cheap setting up a small grow room, let alone paying insurance or wages.
A large scale to provide for people within the laws takes heavy investments.

Dispensaries have been around for decades. The LP companies knew about this, besides dispensaries have been tolerated by the gov/police for just as long. Do dispensaires don't pay wages or have over head? They magically take all the money and not pay any taxes?

But go ahead try to get them shut down, all you're doing is pissing off your own potential use base.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
Going with the 'well dispensaries are illegal, therefore bad' goes against how we got to where we are today. What Parker did was at the time illegal, and I'm not sure how you reconcile saying everyone should follow the law while breaking it yourself.

The truth about LP's, that I have seen very few dispute, is that they were handed a crony capitalist system. A 'free' market which holds a gun to patients heads.

And now someone from Tilray (iirc, may have been another LP) is repeating the Cons delusion that medical is 1 billion, and recreational will be 7 billion. These guys are deluding their shareholders so they can make some money on pump and dumps.

LP's are now complaining they're not cash flow positive and how terrible dispensaries are? Tough shit. I run a business and don't complain when a competitor can offer a superior product of service. If LP's can't compete in a truly fair market, then too bad.

And 'unfair advantage' of dispensaries? Get serious man. The only 'unfair advantage' is home grows being taken away so LP's can line their pockets while sick people suffer. You can't play both sides of the fence here.

I'm willing to bet if you actually do run a business you'd protect your investments and livelihood from those who take your profits in illegal ways and find ways to offer competitive products or services to compete with legitimate, legal competition.

Much like any other person here or anywhere would do.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

CannaReview said:
Dispensaries have been around for decades. The LP companies knew about this, besides dispensaries have been tolerated by the gov/police for just as long. Do dispensaires don't pay wages or have over head? They magically take all the money and not pay any taxes?

But go ahead try to get them shut down, all you're doing is pissing off your own potential use base.

I never said shut them down. I said force a legal framework.
They should only be able to provide approved products.

Nothing shady, nothing sprayed, something that's regulated.

Isn't that in the best interest of med patients?

I used sprayed as an example because people talk about lp's spraying but leave out the part where they have no clue for certain what they are consuming from an unregulated or illegal source.

JungleStrikeGuy · Jan 19, 2016

I would 'protect my investments' by not putting my money anywhere near a LP to begin with. Not only is the system immoral but is destined to collapse.

Treating cannabis like nuclear waste is ridiculous, as is prohibition of a plant. And my investments line up with my moral compass, Phillipe may have had no problem in jumping into bed with LP's but I think you'll find that is not a common set of values.

JungleStrikeGuy · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
I never said shut them down. I said force a legal framework.
They should only be able to provide approved products.

Nothing shady, nothing sprayed, something that's regulated.

Isn't that in the best interest of med patients?

I used sprayed as an example because people talk about lp's spraying but leave out the part where they have no clue for certain what they are consuming from an unregulated or illegal source.

[Apologies for double post, forum is acting weird for me atm]

The 'spraying' is the same bullshit prohibitionists peddle.

Not going to deny some dispensaries engage in shady behavior to the tune of tumbling buds so they can sell the kief separately. But 'sprayed'? Reefer madness.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
[Apologies for double post, forum is acting weird for me atm]

The 'spraying' is the same bullshit prohibitionists peddle.

Not going to deny some dispensaries engage in shady behavior to the tune of tumbling buds so they can sell the kief separately. But 'sprayed'? Reefer madness.

The spraying is a common anti lp argument around here. Even though there are only a few approved pesticides etc that lp's can use, and not one person can conclusively prove what was used in the growing methods of non regulated sources, it is still an argument used here by the anti lp crowd.

Really, it's a very narrow mindset around here at times.

The Hippy · Jan 19, 2016

ricky1lung said:
The spraying is a common anti lp argument around here. Even though there are only a few approved pesticides etc that lp's can use, and not one person can conclusively prove what was used in the growing methods of non regulated sources, it is still an argument used here by the anti lp crowd.

Really, it's a very narrow mindset around here at times.

But you and I know what's in our crop....nothin. These LP's don't want you growing your own when they can sell you some. Why even care if they fail....they hate you Rick.

JungleStrikeGuy · Jan 19, 2016

It's interesting that you consider the 'spraying' argument to be fallacious but have no problem in using it yourself.

The onus is not on myself to 'prove' dispensaries don't spray. Once you find one case, documented, of someone getting sick from dispensary buds, you let us know.

e: And Hippy has it right. I see no difference between the current line of reasoning and the wannabe ex-MMAR growers. This system is not designed to help patients.

It's designed to even further stigmatize cannabis. A plant that needs to be locked away (after the RCMP's supposed 'danger' was disproven in court). And this stigmitzation is the only reason LP's can even pretend that they'll be profitable (beyond pump and dump).

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

The Hippy said:
But you and I know what's in our crop....nothin. These LP's don't want you growing your when they can sell you some. Why even care if they fail....they hate you Rick.

They will never, ever be able to prevent homegrows in a legal mj Canada.
Not only is there a huge political suicide conflict of interest in banning homegrows, but it would go against our legal rights to produce cannabis.

You could either use the mmar or production of alcohol as examples.

In a MJ legal Canada, you will be able to grow your own with some form of restrictions on possibly amount or sales.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
It's interesting that you consider the 'spraying' argument to be fallacious but have no problem in using it yourself.

The onus is not on myself to 'prove' dispensaries don't spray. Once you find one case, documented, of someone getting sick from dispensary buds, you let us know.

e: And Hippy has it right. I see no difference between the current line of reasoning and the wannabe ex-MMAR growers. This system is not designed to help patients.

It's designed to even further stigmatize cannabis. A plant that needs to be locked away (after the RCMP's supposed 'danger' was disproven in court). And this stigmitzation is the only reason LP's can even pretend that they'll be profitable (beyond pump and dump).

I use the argument to point out the hypocrisy.

JungleStrikeGuy · Jan 19, 2016

Again, seriously?

The MMPR LP's are already proudly stating how they'll lobby provincial and federal governments. They will do everything they can to ensure their crony capitalism is able to continue. You think if people can grow LP pricing won't take a hit?

And once again, you have no 'legal right' to produce cannabis. You have a right to a constitutionally viable exemption from prohibition as per the clarification of R v Parker in R v Mernagh. If the court determines that doesn't include home growing, you and everyone else is SOL.

The MMAR has certainly been used by the government to show why they think home grows should be banned.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
It's interesting that you consider the 'spraying' argument to be fallacious but have no problem in using it yourself.

The onus is not on myself to 'prove' dispensaries don't spray. Once you find one case, documented, of someone getting sick from dispensary buds, you let us know.

e: And Hippy has it right. I see no difference between the current line of reasoning and the wannabe ex-MMAR growers. This system is not designed to help patients.

It's designed to even further stigmatize cannabis. A plant that needs to be locked away (after the RCMP's supposed 'danger' was disproven in court). And this stigmitzation is the only reason LP's can even pretend that they'll be profitable (beyond pump and dump).

https://news.vice.com/article/legally-grown-pot-still-has-a-toxic-pesticide-problem

http://www.thestranger.com/features/feature/2015/11/25/23184962/there-may-be-harmful-pesticides-on-your-pot

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/there-cyanide-your-marijuana

Just 3 stories, without really searching.

The Hippy · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
Again, seriously?

The MMPR LP's are already proudly stating how they'll lobby provincial and federal governments. They will do everything they can to ensure their crony capitalism is able to continue. You think if people can grow LP pricing won't take a hit?

And once again, you have no 'legal right' to produce cannabis. You have a right to a constitutionally viable exemption from prohibition as per the clarification of R v Parker in R v Mernagh. If the court determines that doesn't include home growing, you and everyone else is SOL.

The MMAR has certainly been used by the government to show why they think home grows should be banned.

I just can't see how Ricky doesn't get all that. The folks he say's aren't so bad want him shut down. Sorry but his two sided stance isn't making sense logically to me.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

JungleStrikeGuy said:
Again, seriously?

The MMPR LP's are already proudly stating how they'll lobby provincial and federal governments. They will do everything they can to ensure their crony capitalism is able to continue. You think if people can grow LP pricing won't take a hit?

And once again, you have no 'legal right' to produce cannabis. You have a right to a constitutionally viable exemption from prohibition as per the clarification of R v Parker in R v Mernagh. If the court determines that doesn't include home growing, you and everyone else is SOL.

The MMAR has certainly been used by the government to show why they think home grows should be banned.

Mmpr lp's will never get home grows banned in a legal system for the reasons I've already stated.

When it's legal, there will be a legal right, for the reasons I've already outlined.

The mmar was used by a gov that had an openly anti mj policy.

ricky1lung · Jan 19, 2016

The Hippy said:
I just can't see how Ricky doesn't get all that. The folks he say's aren't so bad want him shut down. Sorry but his two sided stance isn't making sense logically to me.

They will never get us shut down. You know that hippy.
No matter what. They'll never succeed.

They have a place for those who grow stretchy popcorn though.

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