Canadian Medical Marijuana Patients & Growers

woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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painkillerman said:
not true man read form anything over 5 grams a day u have sign off rights away from u holding a doctor/health canada if u cant breath in ten years due no testing these high doses (i say orally is way better for extreme pain for me anyways indicas heavy narcotic/larathenic strains i enjoy best u dont even need ur land lords perrmission if u rent n live there messed up but true i just went up past 5 a day with no problems at my doc's office
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Most of what you said is flawed and not quite the scoop.

The doctor release was created by the CMA for Dr's to protect themselves from any suits from prescribing MJ as meds. Plane and simple. Most Dr. don't care about the form anymore. It's actually a good door opener for people approaching their Dr. for MJ if he's not big on it, the form lets him off the hook.

Not so read the rules you can NOT GROW if you rent, "unless you have written permission from the owner of the property".

The point about the 5 grams is you can have a GP prescribe you up to 5 grams but if he wants to go higher than 5 grams you must see a specialist to confirm the GP's diagnosis. After confirmation of the diagnosis you GP can give you what ever he wants.
 
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GreensLife

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Pretty sure if you rent and reside there and it's your principal residence your landlord doesn't have to sign anything.
 
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GreensLife

Active Member
"This form must be completed and signed by the
property owner(s) when the proposed production site
is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant
and is not owned by either the applicant or, where
applicable, the designated person."
 
woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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GreensLife said:
"This form must be completed and signed by the
property owner(s) when the proposed production site
is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant
and is not owned by either the applicant or, where
applicable, the designated person."
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Exactly

That's what I said, if you don't own it or your designated grower does not own it you need to get signed permission from the owner.

electronug

  • We still on about this?

    Get it together people.​


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not everyone is as up to date on the rules as you must be but it is important people who have a licence know what the rules are, if too many screw up the whole system could come under review. So take a deep breath and F off your post provides no value to this thread.

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GreensLife

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From another thread on here regarding this issue:

"Q: Do I need to complete Form F if I'm renting and intend to grow my medicine in my primary residence?

A: No, you do not. As outlined in Form C section C2 (For patient), and Form D section D4 (For DG), The only time you require consent is if you do NOT live at the production site. Rental or not. This HAS been verified with HC."

I also had a lawyer verify this was the fact and he said as long as it is your primary residence and you live there you don't need the landlords permission.

The original thread is here: https://www.rollitup.org/canadian-patients/509932-my-canadian-mmar-faq-ask.html
 
woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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I can understand the confusion by the wording

"This form must be completed and signed by the property owner(s) when the proposed production site is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant"

Your saying, this is my ordinary place or residence, but they take that away in the next phrase

"and is not owned by either the applicant or, where applicable, the designated person."

Your the applicant!

If it still does not make sense to you

I suggest you call the help # 1-866-337-7705 and ask for an explanation, if you think your licence allows you to grow where you live at, well you are mistaken.(don't own) The Federal government would not risk having property destroyed by a grower come back on them, that's why the form. That is also why they are stopping personal grow licences because people are destroying property doing just that. Growing in rented property with out permission is a no no.

If they tell you something different get them to email the info to you so you can post the info here. They have no issues emailing as it is their preferred method of contact.

Form F - Consent of Property Owner

This form must be completed and signed by the property owner(s) when the proposed production site is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant
and is not owned by either the applicant or, where applicable, the designated person.
Important

  1. It is important to understand that all information requested must be provided to avoid unnecessary delays.
  2. We cannot process the application until all appropriate forms are received.
  3. Please retain a photocopy of this form for your files.
If you have any questions regarding this form, please contact Health Canada toll-free at 1-866-337-7705.
Please forward all completed applications to:
Marihuana Medical Access Division
Drug Strategy and Controlled Substances Programme
Health Canada
Address Locator: 3503B
Ottawa, ON K1A 1B9
F1 Property Owner Information

  • Mrs.
  • Miss.
  • Ms.
  • Mr.
  • Property owner's full name:
    • Address:
    • Apartment Number:
    • City:
    • Province:
    • Postal Code:
  • Production site address (if different from above)
    • Address:
    • Apartment Number:
    • City:
    • Province:
    • Postal Code:
  • If no street address is available, please provide lot and concession number:
    • Lot Number:
    • Concession Number:

F2 Property Owner Consent
a) Sole Owner
I confirm that I am the sole owner of the proposed production site and I give my consent to (full name of applicant or applicant 's designated person) ____________________________________ to produce marihuana on this property in accordance with the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations.
Property owners should note that marihuana may also be stored at the production site.

  • Property Owner's Signature
  • Date
  • Print Name

Note: If the property is co-owned, please provide the name and address for each additional property owner in space below.
b) Joint Owner(s)

  • Co-property owner's full name:
    • Address:
    • Apartment Number:
    • City:
    • Province:
    • Postal Code:
  • Co-property owner's full name:
    • Address:
    • Apartment Number:
    • City:
    • Province:
    • Postal Code:
I give my consent to (full name of applicant or applicant 's designated person) _________________________ to produce marihuana on this property in accordance with the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations .
Property owners should note that marihuana may also be stored at the production site.

  • Property Co-owner's Signature
  • Date
  • Print Name
  • Property Co-owner's Signature
  • Date
  • Print Name
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

Active Member
woodsmaneh! said:
I can understand the confusion by the wording

"This form must be completed and signed by the property owner(s) when the proposed production site is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant"

Your saying, this is my ordinary place or residence, but they take that away in the next phrase

"and is not owned by either the applicant or, where applicable, the designated person."

Your the applicant!

If it still does not make sense to you

I suggest you call the help # 1-866-337-7705 and ask for an explanation, if you think your licence allows you to grow where you live at, well you are mistaken.(don't own) The Federal government would not risk having property destroyed by a grower come back on them, that's why the form. That is also why they are stopping personal grow licences because people are destroying property doing just that. Growing in rented property with out permission is a no no.

If they tell you something different get them to email the info to you so you can post the info here. They have no issues emailing as it is their preferred method of contact.
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Except all of that is wrong.

1) "
  • I can understand the confusion by the wording

    "This form must be completed and signed by the property owner(s) when the proposed production site is not the ordinary place of residence of the applicant"

    Your saying, this is my ordinary place or residence, but they take that away in the next phrase

    "and is not owned by either the applicant or, where applicable, the designated person."

    Your the applicant!"​


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The key word to bold is the word AND, the word "and" in this context is used as a double requirement, like "or" would be used as a "either is acceptable".

Because of it's wording, the only time form F is required, is if you do not live at the production site.

Scenarios 1) Rent and live - Because you live there, the first requirement "does not live at the production site" is not met. Form F is not needed.
2) Rent but do not live - Here, you neither own, or are living at the production site. Form F is needed.
3) Own but do not live - Here, neither requirement is met. Form F is not needed.
4) Own and do live - Here, neither requirement is being met. Form F is not needed.

The word AND is the key word here, not the requirements themselves, but how their tied together.

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  • I suggest you call the help # 1-866-337-7705 and ask for an explanation, if you think your licence allows you to grow where you live at, well you are mistaken.(don't own) The Federal government would not risk having property destroyed by a grower come back on them, that's why the form. That is also why they are stopping personal grow licences because people are destroying property doing just that. Growing in rented property with out permission is a no no.

    If they tell you something different get them to email the info to you so you can post the info here. They have no issues emailing as it is their preferred method of contact.​


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This is completely inaccurate, the reason their phasing out person grows has nothing to do with Form F, and has everything to do with Organised Crime working around the system to grow and sell Cannabis for profit. I spoke with HC and asked them specifically if it was needed, because I personally didn't trust my landlord with that information. She said that was one of the better things about the program, is we didn't HAVE to tell anyone, as long as we lived where we grew.
 
electronug

electronug

Active Member
woodsmaneh! said:
not everyone is as up to date on the rules as you must be but it is important people who have a licence know what the rules are, if too many screw up the whole system could come under review. So take a deep breath and F off your post provides no value to this thread.
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Good move with the Spiderman meme.

This has been discussed to death, one dude even had his lawyer verify it... and in case you missed it, the whole program is already fucked.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

Active Member
Just wondering how the call went to HC, I bet they told you exactly what I told you, which was exactly what they told me, which is what my lawyer also told me, also the english language told it to me as well.
 
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Mooobaby

Well-Known Member
I believe the wording does prove Pharoah correct, even though it would go against better judgement and my own personal ethics to grow in someones place without their permission, it isn't required to fill that form out by the owner unless the designated grower or the applicant doesn't use it as a primary place of residence.

Pharoah - You don't have to be a douche to prove a point :P.


ANYWAY - Does anyone have suggestions for finding medical marijuana patients who need designated growers?

All I am finding are these guys who are basically brokering the licences and charging WAY too much.

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Pharoah

Pharoah

Active Member
Mooobaby said:
I believe the wording does prove Pharoah correct, even though it would go against better judgement and my own personal ethics to grow in someones place without their permission, it isn't required to fill that form out by the owner unless the designated grower or the applicant doesn't use it as a primary place of residence.

Pharoah - You don't have to be a douche to prove a point :P.


ANYWAY - Does anyone have suggestions for finding medical marijuana patients who need designated growers?

All I am finding are these guys who are basically brokering the licences and charging WAY too much.

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If you'll notice in my 20 replies explaining exactly this over and over again, in a much nicer manner, in SEVERAL threads, I'm not being a douche, I'm being exactly what I'm being, someone who's said the exact same thing over and over again, has been proven right by HC, Lawyers, and English Majors, and is still questioned, despite the info being in my MMAR faq (Both of them) and exactly WHY it is this way...

This subject has been beaten to death with a bat, why anyone has the need to post questions that have been asked and answered when the search feature works is beyond me. I came here to help other medical patients understand this mess of a system so they don't screw themselves in the end. Know who else does this? Some douche bag Lawyer who charges people $1000 to help them fill their forms (Rather, to help them understand the messed up system) and then sends them to some quack doctor who doesn't even do an exam, and just sign the forms for a fee.

I fail to see how I'm being a douche when I'm providing the EXACT same information as this lawyer, only I'm not charging a single penny for it, and am even going so far as to have it completely available to anyone and everyone.

Just because I get tired of being a broken records that's been proven right time and time again doesn't mean I'm being a douche, it just means I'm getting tired of having to relay the exact same info over and over again.


As for being a designated grower, I can only suggest having a crop to display your growing abilities, maybe even offer to send out a small sample to interested parties so they know even the quality.

Having someone you don't know sign over their MMAR growing abilities is not going to be easy.
 
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Mooobaby

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Pharoah said:
If you'll notice in my 20 replies explaining exactly this over and over again, in a much nicer manner, in SEVERAL threads, I'm not being a douche, I'm being exactly what I'm being, someone who's said the exact same thing over and over again, has been proven right by HC, Lawyers, and English Majors, and is still questioned, despite the info being in my MMAR faq (Both of them) and exactly WHY it is this way...

This subject has been beaten to death with a bat, why anyone has the need to post questions that have been asked and answered when the search feature works is beyond me. I came here to help other medical patients understand this mess of a system so they don't screw themselves in the end. Know who else does this? Some douche bag Lawyer who charges people $1000 to help them fill their forms (Rather, to help them understand the messed up system) and then sends them to some quack doctor who doesn't even do an exam, and just sign the forms for a fee.

I fail to see how I'm being a douche when I'm providing the EXACT same information as this lawyer, only I'm not charging a single penny for it, and am even going so far as to have it completely available to anyone and everyone.

Just because I get tired of being a broken records that's been proven right time and time again doesn't mean I'm being a douche, it just means I'm getting tired of having to relay the exact same info over and over again.


As for being a designated grower, I can only suggest having a crop to display your growing abilities, maybe even offer to send out a small sample to interested parties so they know even the quality.

Having someone you don't know sign over their MMAR growing abilities is not going to be easy.
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I apologize you are correct - I did some reading and now I realize that attitude you had in the posts I had originally read comes from a naturally frustrated place.

I take it back, you are not being a douche, but infact are actually helping to stop the spread of misinformation.

I guess I had assumed that there was a shortage of growers and that someone should be happy to recieve chemical free healthy beatiful nugs for their medicine from me. What I didn't realize is that carded patients are actually being choosy with their supplier. I had planned on providing my patient with free medication.

I grew up growing in an era where I wouldn't even imagine posting here, never mind providing strangers proof that I have done growing in the past.

Thanks for the tips, I guess I have a bit more prep work to do than I had realized.

ANYONE LISTENING - PHAROAH IS CORRECT YOU CAN GROW IN A RENTAL IF IT"S PRIMARY RESIDENCE WITHOUT PERMISSION - personally I wouldn't reccomend it for something larger, but a light or two. . probably saves a lot of hastle and time and ups your security as even less people know what's up.

Hopefully our government can get their shit together on this at some point.
 
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Mooobaby

Well-Known Member
As well, would anyone know any places or organizations that might be able to help me out. I have shut down 'till I am legal. I have reached that point in life where I am not willing to take any risks as I have made it this far and still have my passport. . .
 
woodsmaneh!

woodsmaneh!

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Yes he is right and I was wrong, happens. I even reped you Pharoah. Peace

In 14 months no one will be allowed to grow at home if Feds get their way. In a meeting at the end of Feb. HC stated they will not issues any licences beyond July 2013. I think they will take a little longer but not much as Steve H is hot on destroying anything to do with drugs and that goes for weed also.
 
Pharoah

Pharoah

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woodsmaneh! said:
Yes he is right and I was wrong, happens. I even reped you Pharoah. Peace

In 14 months no one will be allowed to grow at home if Feds get their way. In a meeting at the end of Feb. HC stated they will not issues any licences beyond July 2013. I think they will take a little longer but not much as Steve H is hot on destroying anything to do with drugs and that goes for weed also.
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This is not set in stone, between now and 2014, Harpers proposed changes could be nullified by court rulings possibly before it's even put into effect.

The new changes do not make things easier for patients, it makes them 100 times harder, and even if the new changes do reach fruition, court case after court case like Mr.Matt Mernagh's might possibly break down current and changed laws proposed for 2014. Matt Mernagh is allowed to possess and produce medicine, even without a MMAR authorization. For all intents and purposes, he is immune to any law related to the possession or production of cannabis, he still has to abide by the trafficking laws tho.
 
Tweetybird999

Tweetybird999

Member
Update: I'm completely legal. Have my MMAR license and can grow for myself...if I ever figure out how to set up. License came in a record 30 days. I'm really happy to have sorted this out and no longer worry about getting caught.

Tweetybird999 said:
Yeah, I know it's just another hoop to jump, but that's ok. I can go to the Compassion Club for now and continue to get this sorted out. Overall, even if this is a lot of hoop jumping, I"m on the right track and my family doc supports me 100%. So I think I"m very lucky. :bigjoint:
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