Canadian poly ploids

i have been gardening since 1973 and have seen and created some crazy strains. I was turned onto some Canadian poly ploid seeds. i started the seeds under 24/7 and they were flowering within one month.i never turned down the lights and every one was solid female and thick and dark ass green like i never seen before.by the end of the third month i had to quit the indoor grow and moved outside. here is the question or two of them. 1.any info aboutCanadian Poly Ploids plants and them budding when 24/7 would be appreciated ,are they engineered to bud under 24/7 ?if so that is great.and 2.why would they all go hermie after i moved outside?solid female plants inside then boom fuckin hermie all of them.
some salvation was made by crossing the hermie pollen with some texmexkush and some turkey mountain seperates from up in the humboldt area.Great strains.
any info on canadian poly ploids would be great
thanx

dont know anything about your plant. but growing outdoors is a gamble because there could be a male in the vicinity to seed your lady.

Hmm where did you get the seeds?company and website??

I know that in the 1970's some work was done on polyploid strains at the University of Guelph ,some seed escaped from the greenhouses(oops). It was used in breeding by several people in Ontario,and who knows how far it may have spread.

Yeah these seeds were insane,they damn near jumped right out of the soil and screamed ''look the fuck at me,i'm different and better than anything you have ever seen". think about it, pistils showing the third week under 24/7 and the lights never went less than 24/7.as far as where i got them,i was turned onto a half of a film container full by a carpenter on a job site. he was in some serious pain and I had something for that so we traded. i thought about trying to look him up somehow. he informed that his group of gardeners were doing amazing things with these things and that i should try them. man i wish i had some more of them. what does the poly ploid refer to?
thanks CC

They have been genetically modified to double the chromozones(sp.?) giving more vigor and size.

I know of seeds here in holland...well...i've heard of them...they seem to be a rumour but i've read of cash growers being caught with them, anyways, these seeds aparently are gentically modified to grow to 5 feet, be totally indoors grow, and give a yield of 25 pounds each plant...i can't remember the name of the seeds but i do remember they were reported as being 3000 dollars a seed...maybe they were polyploid...dunno

The seed I'm talking about was not a rumour,it was a serious experiment at an agricultural university that slipped out with stoner grad students.

this is the exact name these seeds were called . and there were no rumors involved, these things were insane. there is a rumor that a couple very very very excellent strains were created when I crossed hermie pollen from the Can.poly-ploids with two different strains from the Humboldt area, one was texmexkush and the other was turkey mountain seperates. both new strains come out fast, healthy and with huge leaves from day one.Averaging 8 out of 10 females. Total bushes with 1/4 lb buds all over the place. Just a rumor, that there is a
jar full of these little marbles . ............

The poly seeds are larger (x2) than normal, and really vigorous, they work well in breeding programs,I expect that's what you have encountered.

do these magical seeds have a name?

Not that I ever heard. This whole thing was under the radar, this is the first time I've heard of this since the seventies when the experimental work was done,and even then lt was low-key. Not the kind of research that a major university advertises after all.

Those that i'm talkin about cost 3000 a seed, 25 lbs a plant, like dude, i would love to get some, by the way, i read about breeders experimenting with polyploid cannabis, i read that arjan spent tons of money on research but could never get a stable strain, and many others have tried and come up unsuccesful because its just no way to stabalize the genes of the plant

Don't know about stability of strains, you could well be right.

Heres a little cut and paste action for ya

Polyploids H.R. Warmke also experimented with breeding programs during the war years. Polyploid Cannabis plants were produced by treatment with the alkaloid colchicine. Colchicine interferes with normal mitosis, the process in which cells are replicated. During replication, the normal doubling of chromosomes occurs, but colchicine prevents normal separation of the chromosomes into two cells. The cell then is left twice (or more then) the normal chromosome count.

Warmke's experiments concluded that polyploids contained higher concentrations of the "active ingredient." However, the procedure for measuring that ingredient was much the same is described for grafting, with probably similar shortcomings.

Polyploid Cannabis has been found to be larger, with larger leaves and flowers. Recent experience has shown that polyploids are not necessarily higher in potency. Usually they are about equal to diploid siblings.

Colchicine is a highly poisonous substance. The simplest and safest way to induce polyploids is to soak seeds in a solution of colchicine derived from bulbs of winter or autumn crocus (Colchicum). Mash the bulbs and add an equal part of water. Strain through filter paper (or paper towels). Soak seeds in the solution and plant when they start to germinate. Cultivate as usual.

Only some of the seeds will become polyploid. Polyploid sprouts generally have thicker stems, and the leaves are often unusually shaped, with uneven-sized blades. Leaves also may contain more than the usual number of blades. As the plant grows, leaves should return to normal form, but continue to be larger and with more blades.

If no polyploids sprout, use less water in preparing the solution.

Colchicine is also a prescribed drug for treatment of gout and is taken in pill form. These usually contain .6 mg per tablet. Use 10 tablets per ounce of water, and soak the seeds as described above.

Colchicine is also sold by mail-order firms which advertise in magazines such as Head or High Times.

Because colchicine is a poison, it should be handled carefully. It is not known if plants from seeds treated with colchicine will contain a harmful amount of colchicine when plants are grown. Harm is unlikely, because the uptake by the seed is so small, and because the colchicine would be further diluted during growth, as well as diminished by smoking. But we cannot guarantee that you can safely smoke colchicine-treated plants.

Interesting. . . I have two plants growing from some exceptional bag seed (20 years old BTW) that look different. My first thought was polyploid, due to their growth stucture. They look like afgan plants. Short stature, extremely large lower leaves and very very very fat! Definitely indica. The leaves are doubled and the nodes are tight! I will try to put some pics up later. Theres an older RUI thread about polyploid and colchine treatment here> what is a polyploid plant? Treating seeds with Colchicine - Marijuana Growing

FrostyTHEgrowmaN said:

Heres a little cut and paste action for ya

Polyploids H.R. Warmke also experimented with breeding programs during the war years. Polyploid Cannabis plants were produced by treatment with the alkaloid colchicine. Colchicine interferes with normal mitosis, the process in which cells are replicated. During replication, the normal doubling of chromosomes occurs, but colchicine prevents normal separation of the chromosomes into two cells. The cell then is left twice (or more then) the normal chromosome count.

Warmke's experiments concluded that polyploids contained higher concentrations of the "active ingredient." However, the procedure for measuring that ingredient was much the same is described for grafting, with probably similar shortcomings.

Polyploid Cannabis has been found to be larger, with larger leaves and flowers. Recent experience has shown that polyploids are not necessarily higher in potency. Usually they are about equal to diploid siblings.

Colchicine is a highly poisonous substance. The simplest and safest way to induce polyploids is to soak seeds in a solution of colchicine derived from bulbs of winter or autumn crocus (Colchicum). Mash the bulbs and add an equal part of water. Strain through filter paper (or paper towels). Soak seeds in the solution and plant when they start to germinate. Cultivate as usual.

Only some of the seeds will become polyploid. Polyploid sprouts generally have thicker stems, and the leaves are often unusually shaped, with uneven-sized blades. Leaves also may contain more than the usual number of blades. As the plant grows, leaves should return to normal form, but continue to be larger and with more blades.

If no polyploids sprout, use less water in preparing the solution.

Colchicine is also a prescribed drug for treatment of gout and is taken in pill form. These usually contain .6 mg per tablet. Use 10 tablets per ounce of water, and soak the seeds as described above.

Colchicine is also sold by mail-order firms which advertise in magazines such as Head or High Times.

Because colchicine is a poison, it should be handled carefully. It is not known if plants from seeds treated with colchicine will contain a harmful amount of colchicine when plants are grown. Harm is unlikely, because the uptake by the seed is so small, and because the colchicine would be further diluted during growth, as well as diminished by smoking. But we cannot guarantee that you can safely smoke colchicine-treated plants.

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Exactly! I know that the stuff from the university went through a generation or two before it was smokable bscause of the toxicity issue.

yeah these were marbles compared to other seeds, great color with large dark stripes. what blew me away was the budding after only three weeks of popping up and having 24/7 lighting. never changed the 24/7 and they kept budding and increasing size the whole time. i had a pretty gnarly feeding and topping and stripping program going also. the comment about being an unstable strain ain't no b.s. but after two years of xing them into other top notch strains, they are totally dependable bitches,( female 99% )ready willing and able to get it on..........thanks for all the great info everyone

i was told that they were called canadian poly ploid seeds when they were given to me

Yes i was at the right place at the right time with the right product for trading for the right seeds. i mentioned that after three months I moved them outside, I had to,I did not want to.They were very strong in their aroma and taking over the house,they could be smelled inside and outside. They stayed under a blue tarp behind a lumber stack for three weeks and then back inside again at my nephews house.Those three weeks changed everything and not for the bad either. If they stayed inside they would not have gone hermie,which means i would not have had the opportunity to pollinate the texmexkush or the turkey mountain seperates with the Can.polyploid hermie pollen. have crossed strains many times over the years. This turned out to be the best result, a close second place was done 30 years ago(still have the strain). A friend had these 4'-5' long by 2-3 inches around Oaxacan buds. These buds were riddled with huge brown and tiny black seeds. naturally they found soil at the earliest opportunity. Along side was planted afgan hash weed and some way heavy indicas.
The Oaxacan provided long solid yet skinny but very sweet tasting sativa buds.The Oaxacan males were the same in shape . When pollinating the afgan hash weed the oaxacan traits did exactly what it should have, made the afgan strain much taller plants and turned the fat thick dense afgan buds into LONG fat thick dense afgan buds. Same with the other indicas that got that crossed that year. Still have some of the original seeds from this effort. anyway thanks for reading .
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