Cannabis feeding and boosters!

Daveindiego

Daveindiego

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Based on that thread by @Dynamo626 last year, I ran a Emerald Harvest nutrients line this time, using about 1/3 suggested nutrients.

This is my best grow in a still early stage hobby.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Fullscan19 said:
Wtf are those looks like a DIY heroin kit lol
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Gibberelic acid "GA3", 6-benzylaminopurine "BAP", Indole-3-butyric acid "IBA". I have some other stuff as well.

That GA3 can do some crazy stuff. Had a plant I sprayed with a strong concentration over the course of a week start growing several inches a day and looked like spindly bamboo. Cut it down after it hit the ceiling. This was years ago. Since then I've used it to germinate seeds that were almost twenty years old. Not cannabis seeds but flower seeds. But I do have some seeds I collected over thirty years ago. I'll pull them out one day.

I grew these from 18 year old seeds of Coneflower "Echinacea" that originally came from Fort Vancouver Washington. GA3 can be used to help seed germination. I got about five seeds out of a hundred or so to germinate a few years ago. After that they produced so many seeds that now I have tens of thousands. I treated them with a GA3 solution prior to attempting to germinate. But it is quite possible that they would have germinated without GA3 or that GA3 hindered germination rates. I'll never know.

But they are a really beautiful flower. Regardless.

 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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JohnDee said:
Dr Who...you are the only person I've ever seen say P causes premature budding. I heard you say this before and researched it a bit. All I could find was info that "lack of P" will delay flowering. So by adding in enough P, you're not causing premature finishing...rather you are preventing delayed finishing.

I would really like some sort of reference for this theory that you have.

Don't get me wrong...I also believe P is often delivered in excess and I've stopped using finishing products because of that. Just trying to add to my knowledge on P.
JD
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You've wrapped you're head around what I'm saying wrong...

It will not make for any early fruit set. It will not make for any "premature" budding...

It will shorten bloom times by causing the plant to end stage faster - by early yellowing or coloring of the plant...The plant then "thinks" it is done and starts the last end process's of the plant..
I've literally seen some guys plants finish out weeks ahead of time from over use of P...

I use little in the way of P for bloom.....My P increase at bloom is 4%.....I go from a P of 2% in veg to 6% in bloom. At the last 2 weeks I run, I drop N by 25% and increase P again by 3% more to a total P of 9%.......This is true for some strains and not for others. Those simply stay at the 6%.....

Many of the better nutrient lines will run the P around 5 - 7 % Some have you use a booster with lower starting P and get you over what you really need.
Some of the lines with high P&K. Simply mask the high P with high N to slow way down the "high" P action......Now why would you want to use too much of one thing to cover the use of too much of another?

Kinda like Trump telling lies to cover his first lie.....It still don't work out right. Your loosing potentials.....
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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xtsho said:
Gibberelic acid "GA3", 6-benzylaminopurine "BAP", Indole-3-butyric acid "IBA". I have some other stuff as well.

That GA3 can do some crazy stuff. Had a plant I sprayed with a strong concentration over the course of a week start growing several inches a day and looked like spindly bamboo. Cut it down after it hit the ceiling. This was years ago. Since then I've used it to germinate seeds that were almost twenty years old. Not cannabis seeds but flower seeds. But I do have some seeds I collected over thirty years ago. I'll pull them out one day.

I grew these from 18 year old seeds of Coneflower "Echinacea" that originally came from Fort Vancouver Washington. GA3 can be used to help seed germination. I got about five seeds out of a hundred or so to germinate a few years ago. After that they produced so many seeds that now I have tens of thousands. I treated them with a GA3 solution prior to attempting to germinate. But it is quite possible that they would have germinated without GA3 or that GA3 hindered germination rates. I'll never know.

But they are a really beautiful flower. Regardless.

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Yes, you can use that to help start old seeds!

Old seeds, even old as 20 years or more, could be viable!

Crack open a few. Are they dry and crisp, or are they still moist and white?
Dry and Crisp,,will NOT pop!

Here is where you soak a seed in h2o2 boosted water.
24 hrs and use your fav popping method.

Old seeds can be partial to direct soil popping.....Depends on just how dry they were....

If they are being fussy, add the GA3 to the soak and try it again with different seeds
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Dr. Who said:
You've wrapped you're head around what I'm saying wrong...

It will not make for any early fruit set. It will not make for any "premature" budding...

It will shorten bloom times by causing the plant to end stage faster - by early yellowing or coloring of the plant...The plant then "thinks" it is done and starts the last end process's of the plant..
I've literally seen some guys plants finish out weeks ahead of time from over use of P...

I use little in the way of P for bloom.....My P increase at bloom is 4%.....I go from a P of 2% in veg to 6% in bloom. At the last 2 weeks I run, I drop N by 25% and increase P again by 3% more to a total P of 9%.......This is true for some strains and not for others. Those simply stay at the 6%.....

Many of the better nutrient lines will run the P around 5 - 7 % Some have you use a booster with lower starting P and get you over what you really need.
Some of the lines with high P&K. Simply mask the high P with high N to slow way down the "high" P action......Now why would you want to use too much of one thing to cover the use of too much of another?

Kinda like Trump telling lies to cover his first lie.....It still don't work out right. Your loosing potentials.....
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Thanks DrWho,
So you're saying that it compresses bloom into shorter amount of time thus not allowing proper finish...rather then my mistaken assumption that it shifts the whole blooming process earlier. May take me some time to properly incorporate that into my body of knowledge...8-)
Cheers,
JD
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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Humic acid also works on germing seeds, just can't let it soak too long. Why there is a product out there called URB and its got a 30 min soak for hard to germ seeds. Of course, the old timers would just scuff em up. I use the peroxide trick even on new seeds. It makes a difference on any seeds, imho. Again, can't use too much.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Bodyne said:
Humic acid also works on germing seeds, just can't let it soak too long. Why there is a product out there called URB and its got a 30 min soak for hard to germ seeds. Of course, the old timers would just scuff em up. I use the peroxide trick even on new seeds. It makes a difference on any seeds, imho. Again, can't use too much.
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I have some of that URB...Have not had the need to try it yet...

Scuffing has it's place....Been there done that. Still do for some things

There are seeds from some strains that have extra thick seed "shell's". Sometimes it works out better to scuff along the seam of those and then short soak..
Riots - clockwork orange is one for sure... He even tells you to scuff the seams.....He does NOT like soaking, and neither do I but, for some reasons, we do what we don't like to get what we want...eh?
 
Daveindiego

Daveindiego

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xtsho said:
So you're finding out now that less can be better and you're not burning your plants up anymore?

Good luck with it all. I like to see people have success.
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Tried posting pics the other night. Which reminds me, is there a reason no one posts in full pic, like I did. I always see people use thumb pics.

Coming to the end of Week 7. Did a lot better this time, hope I can finish it up.
@Dynamo626 @Dr. Who
@xtsho
Thanks for your help.

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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Daveindiego said:
Now, not meaning to hijack a thread, but does this look right?

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Looks weird to me. It’s a bag seed.
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He Dave! Looking good my friend!

First set.. looks like a week or maybe a hair more to go....Least till maybe an amber. You didn't say what strain you got there, so you get the answer I gave as to time left.

Second set..2 weeks plus is my first guess....Maybe a bit longer.

Real nice improvement there Dave.
 
Daveindiego

Daveindiego

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Dr. Who said:
He Dave! Looking good my friend!

First set.. looks like a week or maybe a hair more to go....Least till maybe an amber. You didn't say what strain you got there, so you get the answer I gave as to time left.

Second set..2 weeks plus is my first guess....Maybe a bit longer.

Real nice improvement there Dave.
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Thanks!!

Some lessons learned.

The strain is Chem Dawg, and it was grown from seeds. I think I’m done with the clones for now.

By my ‘clock’, you’re timing seems correct. I’m just now entering week 8 of flower, so I’ll magnify the trichomes next week to see what I have.

Again, thanks a million for the help and support.
 
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