Yep. That's why I was saying the 41 seems to be the magic maker.Honestly You’re probably right, the different gelato cuts in the names confuse the fucking shit out of me. I guess that’s the cookie Fam for ya, and Gushers is a perfect example of that. They’re telling It was 41 crossed to South Florida Kush, and then it got changed to 41 x TK. Now Dandango Is saying it’s 41 crossed to Motorbreath 15, and I’m more inclined to believe Dan though because his timelines match up. He was doing a lot of crosses with the Motorbreath awhile back when he was still working and breeding at connected when they still got along with cookies. Not to mention he had mothers of Gushers, Gelatti, and TÖS(The Other Sister) when it was first popping off. TÖS looks very similar to them, and is supposed to be sisters according to him. I’d like to get my hands on a cut of it, for science
I have 0 clue how it quoted you and not the person I was talking to that I could have swore I quoted. Some mistake or error happened sorry.What are you talking about Willis?
Don't take what I say personally growing is rough and always learning. When I make a statement like that it is to make sure as many people here in the mix read it so they know and it saves them heartache. When running say 20 females of cherry pie oriented stuff I would say about 5 total or so of 20 you will be culling (these are direct cherry pie crosses). You will probably get 1-3 females that even cutting off the bottom wont matter. Of those females that herm 1 or two will probably never grow back balls as a clone going forward and the others will be straight up trash can material like the girl you are talking about. There is just nothing you can do with them.I stripped the bottom half of the plant at day 16 or so and seen no nuts. It was the bottom 3rd of the rest left on the plant that hermed. Thought I was good to go after day 16 and wasnt looking as closely anymore. Checked my garden every day though.
I just got into running cookies crosses and remembered gromer saying on insta to strip the bottom 3rd of cookies plants and then be on herm watch. It's my bad for only doing a quick 1 minute search of each plant after day 16. Wont be running any more fem cookies crosses that's forsure, or at least kitchen sink.
I wanna add that I definitely wasn't "ignoring" my garden , I run a 150gallon notill pot in a tent with multiple strains and the balls that opened were 2ft deep into the canopy which is near impossible to get into without breaking branches. Balls on the edges of the canopy were just forming and none were open. I only had 1 other herm out of the last 200+ fem seeds so I dont have experience looking for them, but I did look every day. Now I know for my next run.
It's not that they are really different in major ways when it comes to these phenos. They are really nuances which I love. I am sorry but I fuckin hate bottle necked genes. IBL's are so boring. Sure if you want to attempt to grow commercially from seed (don't know why anyone would considering clones) have fun with a completely dumbed-down gene pool that is really only useful if no one is keeping clones. As for me I want a chance to find what I like. I want some variation and sometimes extreme variation.Holy shit thats a lot of phenos boys. I had no idea gelato went down the rabbit hole so deep lol. I got the Herb seeds and Larry Bird cuts from Tomisteins 501's which I heard is a great vendor to buy from. First time using Strainly and it was easy. Sucks tho cause now I have another place to buy shit that takes paypal.
I'm so new to the seed game that I'm still not sure what I ultimately want to keep around. I have bought A LOT to test the waters of certain stuff that I've heard of but never tried. I will continue to get clones too. I might become more selective tho because I have the tendency to get greedy and try to buy all the strains lol.It's not that they are really different in major ways when it comes to these phenos. They are really nuances which I love. I am sorry but I fuckin hate bottle necked genes. IBL's are so boring. Sure if you want to attempt to grow commercially from seed (don't know why anyone would considering clones) have fun with a completely dumbed-down gene pool that is really only useful if no one is keeping clones. As for me I want a chance to find what I like. I want some variation and sometimes extreme variation.
One other thing for everyone to keep in mind as well. When you add TK to the mix you add a lot of variety. It shoots out a lot of phenos once you see a spread of 40-50 girls. They aren't extreme difference by any means but lots of nuanced. You can tell everything is related just like how we can tell all the different OG's are related from HPK, Malibu, Topanga, to SFV, Fire, Larry, and King Louis etc. You will see that genetic spread in TK s1's as well.
On his most recent post it says TÖS is 41 x MB15, where did you read gushers was 41 x MB15? I was under the impression that TÖS was sisters to BiscottiHonestly You’re probably right, the different gelato cuts in the names confuse the fucking shit out of me. I guess that’s the cookie Fam for ya, and Gushers is a perfect example of that. They’re telling It was 41 crossed to South Florida Kush, and then it got changed to 41 x TK. Now Dandango Is saying it’s 41 crossed to Motorbreath 15, and I’m more inclined to believe Dan though because his timelines match up. He was doing a lot of crosses with the Motorbreath awhile back when he was still working and breeding at connected when they still got along with cookies. Not to mention he had mothers of Gushers, Gelatti, and TÖS(The Other Sister) when it was first popping off. TÖS looks very similar to them, and is supposed to be sisters according to him. I’d like to get my hands on a cut of it, for science
Got to sample some kurple recently, not a purple fan, but it was some good meds. Also some marathon og, was ok.Is the 45 relabeled 25?
I've seen 33,41,25. I've never seen the 45 or 49 used in any breeding projects. I think there's a bit of fomo with the gelato cuts, the 33 could be the Golden Goose but the fact that it's "out" maybe makes it less desirable even though it could be the better pheno. Whereas the other cuts are more elusive and that adds to their appeal?
I tried to pass on the gusher drop, with how it went down that helped a lot. I seen a few of the lists and nothing really screamed out, I got the zippin zawtz, freshwater taffy. Like many I have more than I'll probably ever pop so I wasn't very motivated. Until I seen the purple plushers on the restock. Kurple fantasy sounded like a great match up with the gushers and sooooo I caved. *Facepalm. It will be cool to see which crosses turned out the best, as I was reading over the list there were quite a few that peaked my interest but I have too much fire to be curious anymore.
The zippin zawtz looking good, no branching, taller with wide nodes. The freshwater taffy is more squat with tighter nodes. Get some updates when flower starts
All good man, the gelato pheno’s and the whole biscotti, gushers, gelatti, and the TÖS Debacle makes my head hurt sometimes. I just wish breeders and even growers like cookies, connected, and all the rest of them would just be honest instead of hiding their “secret sauce“ when all it is is TK or Motorbreath. Like seriously these cuts have been out for years now, just tell the people what the actual genetics are already. Alien labs has been pretty upfront and honest for the most part about what’s in the genetics of their new strains, I just wish more breeders and growers would be honest for us genetic nerds like me. It is what it is though, they can keep their secrets As long as someone keeps leaking their cuts I’m happyBecause once genetic testing get some more advancedThey won’t be able to hide their “secret sauce”. And people will finally know the truth. I meant to say biscotti in the original post, I think gelati is biscotti and gelato crossed. Like I’ve been saying though who knows.On his most recent post it says TÖS is 41 x MB15, where did you read gushers was 41 x MB15? I was under the impression that TÖS was sisters to Biscotti
Ok my bad i just read where he said that they are just different phenos my fault
Just passing through and seeing all the gelato talk..... I can't speak for most of the phenos, but I've grown 41 pretty extensively. It's a badass cut, tight dense nuggets and breeds well. The thing I've noticed after running it for a while is it has such an amazing nose in flower, then once cured it still has that nose but it's almost like a generic version of the awesomeness she had. Kinda backwards from how a good cure works. Tried a few different cure methods to make sure it wasn't something I was doing lol. I still grow it and love the smoke too, just something I've noticed after spending some time with her.33 is the sweetest version. This is just as popular as the 41 which I believe is the gassier version? Someone fact check that for me hard to remember multiple parent traits from lines I am not working. 33 has just been public longer and used by more people.
I kno what u mean it loses that. Crazy gelato smell and has just some rank smell .. the 33 also is more bubbly looking .. the 41 is nugJust passing through and seeing all the gelato talk..... I can't speak for most of the phenos, but I've grown 41 pretty extensively. It's a badass cut, tight dense nuggets and breeds well. The thing I've noticed after running it for a while is it has such an amazing nose in flower, then once cured it still has that nose but it's almost like a generic version of the awesomeness she had. Kinda backwards from how a good cure works. Tried a few different cure methods to make sure it wasn't something I was doing lol. I still grow it and love the smoke too, just something I've noticed after spending some time with her.
Have you tried doing Fresh Frozen with it to see if those crazy Terps stay?Just passing through and seeing all the gelato talk..... I can't speak for most of the phenos, but I've grown 41 pretty extensively. It's a badass cut, tight dense nuggets and breeds well. The thing I've noticed after running it for a while is it has such an amazing nose in flower, then once cured it still has that nose but it's almost like a generic version of the awesomeness she had. Kinda backwards from how a good cure works. Tried a few different cure methods to make sure it wasn't something I was doing lol. I still grow it and love the smoke too, just something I've noticed after spending some time with her.
I think 33 def has a yield advantage lol. 41 is a good plant, don't get me wrong. Just things you notice after some time. Did you not know which pheno it was you're speaking of at the end there?I kno what u mean it loses that. Crazy gelato smell and has just some rank smell .. the 33 also is more bubbly looking .. the 41 is nug
The 33 is sweeter it has more gelato taste in a sense but they taste the same .. I did get a gelato once that had no purple zero and had more nose than the 41 or similar with more funk to the smell .. the nugs never got big tho I never figured that one out
No but I should. Fresh frozen and stored in the fridge could make a differenceHave you tried doing Fresh Frozen with it to see if those crazy Terps stay?
No I wish I’m in the heart of a good market so I’ll see things once if it’s rare and somethings I’ll see variation if it’s popular .. but sometimes I get things that most won’t see bc it was all purchased b4 it was fully dry and sometimes those growers change life paths and quit growing it happens a lot with the really good growersI think 33 def has a yield advantage lol. 41 is a good plant, don't get me wrong. Just things you notice after some time. Did you not know which pheno it was you're speaking of at the end there?
It does. I pressed some of my fresh biscotti as it finished drying before it went into jars. 2 months later the rosin is more potent and stronger smelling than ever. The flower while still good lost alot of those Terps so definately it locks it in the quicker you do it so Fresh Frozen should keep those flavors your smelling during harvest.No but I should. Fresh frozen and stored in the fridge could make a difference
Damn she looks like 33 on steroids, awesome work man she’s absolutely stunning.This is my gelato 33 leaning phenos from in house genetics 33rd degree,every pheno goes thc crazy, best bud I've smoked, ever I'm on day 70 on my kitchen sinks but still looks like another couple weeks, I'll share pics before harvest View attachment 4616968View attachment 4616969View attachment 4616970View attachment 4616973