Can't figure out problem?

NaturalFarmer · Dec 30, 2016

Beautiful all the same amount of the mineral mix relative to size of pot. the others may be worse because of genetics and what not....assuming this is all the same batch of soil. The gypsum will be the only one that leaches quickly out but it wont hurt anything having those up on top as well, just make sure you do both. Give it a 1tsp epsom salt to 1 ltr spray bottle. and mist the plant with that in flower. Get another for kelp. If I am not mistaken, kelp is better to give as a foliar. You wont hurt anything either way though.

pass the pipe · Dec 30, 2016

NaturalFarmer said:
Beautiful all the same amount of the mineral mix relative to size of pot. the others may be worse because of genetics and what not....assuming this is all the same batch of soil. The gypsum will be the only one that leaches quickly out but it wont hurt anything having those up on top as well, just make sure you do both. Give it a 1tsp epsom salt to 1 ltr spray bottle. and mist the plant with that in flower. Get another for kelp. If I am not mistaken, kelp is better to give as a foliar. You wont hurt anything either way though.

So just to understand clearly, add mineral mix to all of the plants? Foliar feed epsom salt and kelp tea to all of the plants too?

NaturalFarmer · Dec 30, 2016

And get the fish. Top a little mineral too. Check pH. Get a cheapo, it will get you close enough. Make new soil for next grow with Coco coir to bring up the pH. Get gypsum for next grow unless you have a lot of the mineral left

pass the pipe · Dec 30, 2016

I have a good 5-10 pounds of mineral mix left (rock dust, gypsum, oyster flour)

The crustacean/fish meal is also in a mixed bag - Nute mix (crustacean meal 33%, kelp 33%, and 33% neem cake would this still make a difference or just add to the pots also for the fish? Would I add say a few tablespoons of nute mix per gallon or like a quarter cup per 5 gallon container. Quarter cup mineral mix per gallon since the soil mix already has some of both in it?

NaturalFarmer · Dec 30, 2016

I guess I'm not familiar with it. You should get some kelp only for foliar too. All that stuff is good for making a new mix after.
1/2 cup each. 1/4 mixed 1/4 on top

pass the pipe · Dec 31, 2016

Well everything was top dressed last night with mineral mix and sprayed down with epsom salts, a few were thrown a pinch of nute mix if they possibly needed it now just waiting on the kelp tea to get done bubbling up so it can be applied. But I noticed literally over night... It got worse, would that mean my ph is actually way to high? Considering how fast the problem got worse? And I got a cheap ph pen I've had for a bit and measured the run off of a few pots. They were coming out at around 7.2 to 7.6 ph on the meter for water runoff. Now I know that isn't the most accurate method but I don't really want to dig up some of the soil for a slurry test unless I really have to when the top two inches are mostly if not all worm castings I've been topping off with and don't want to dig further and hurt anything. But given the updated pics what would you believe it is?

pass the pipe · Dec 31, 2016

NaturalFarmer said:
I guess I'm not familiar with it. You should get some kelp only for foliar too. All that stuff is good for making a new mix after.
1/2 cup each. 1/4 mixed 1/4 on top

Forgot to mention, the plants in flower within five mins of spraying the epsom salts started to droop bad? What would cause such a sudden change? is that obvious lockout from ph swings?

I've yet to check them since spraying them though. Lights come back on within the hour so I'll check them then.

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

yikes. how much did you use? Never seen that. try to only give foliars when lights come on so you don't spike your rh at night

thumper60 · Jan 1, 2017

pass the pipe said:
Well everything was top dressed last night with mineral mix and sprayed down with epsom salts, a few were thrown a pinch of nute mix if they possibly needed it now just waiting on the kelp tea to get done bubbling up so it can be applied. But I noticed literally over night... It got worse, would that mean my ph is actually way to high? Considering how fast the problem got worse? And I got a cheap ph pen I've had for a bit and measured the run off of a few pots. They were coming out at around 7.2 to 7.6 ph on the meter for water runoff. Now I know that isn't the most accurate method but I don't really want to dig up some of the soil for a slurry test unless I really have to when the top two inches are mostly if not all worm castings I've been topping off with and don't want to dig further and hurt anything. But given the updated pics what would you believe it is?

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burned the shit outa them,if it were me I would uppot with new soil,go with soiless u dumped to many things in it not knowing that soil u got is fuked

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

When you give a foliar. Only do one at a time. Give the plant time to drink it in before going on to the next foliar otherwise it just wasted.
What is the pH of your water going in? Try to do a slurry with a mix of top of your layers if you can.

pass the pipe · Jan 1, 2017

thumper60 said:
burned the shit outa them,if it were me I would uppot with new soil,go with soiless u dumped to many things in it not knowing that soil u got is fuked

Hmm that's screwed. Mixed just like it's done on the organics section or anyone else would mixing up their soil. Clackamama coots soil shouldn't burn though? Members here have used it with great results?

NaturalFarmer said:
When you give a foliar. Only do one at a time. Give the plant time to drink it in before going on to the next foliar otherwise it just wasted.
What is the pH of your water going in? Try to do a slurry with a mix of top of your layers if you can.

I did. Foliar fed epsom that night. Then for new years eve, foliar sprayed the kelp meal tea on plants. An ph of tap water is around 7.2 I believe? Maybe around 7.5 highest. Not sure if I can trust these cheap ph pens.

NaturalFarmer said:
yikes. how much did you use? Never seen that. try to only give foliars when lights come on so you don't spike your rh at night

teaspoon to an almost full spray bottle so about a liter, isn't it 1-2 tablespoons per gallon?

I'll get right on that slurry test real quick and post back

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

You may want to do a real test on your water to see ppm of carbonates. What can happen is the carbonates take any available calcium and lock them up. Maybe your water is actually the issue and not the soil. Maybe you can try some distilled for a bit to see. Have you used this water to grow before? Is it well or city?

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

still drooping?

pass the pipe · Jan 1, 2017

Sorry was still playing with the soil test. Not sure if I did it right? how much soil to water to test? I came back with 7.6 ph for water and 6.8 on the soil test? but I might have had too much water added and messed up a fairly accurate reading.

thumper60 · Jan 1, 2017

pass the pipe said:
Hmm that's screwed. Mixed just like it's done on the organics section or anyone else would mixing up their soil. Clackamama coots soil shouldn't burn though? Members here have used it with great results?

I did. Foliar fed epsom that night. Then for new years eve, foliar sprayed the kelp meal tea on plants. An ph of tap water is around 7.2 I believe? Maybe around 7.5 highest. Not sure if I can trust these cheap ph pens.

teaspoon to an almost full spray bottle so about a liter, isn't it 1-2 tablespoons per gallon?

I'll get right on that slurry test real quick and post back

though u said this was 3 run with it

pass the pipe said:
Hmm that's screwed. Mixed just like it's done on the organics section or anyone else would mixing up their soil. Clackamama coots soil shouldn't burn though? Members here have used it with great results?

u say this second-third run?i just think u have added to many things to quick ,trying to chase this looks like u started with ph prob now who no's change the soil out instead of tossing more shit on it

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

No fix this soil for this run and make new soil for the next. It isn't going to happen over night.

pass the pipe · Jan 1, 2017

thumper60 said:
though u said this was 3 run with it

by reammended sorry meant to I added more volume to make more soil as I needed more for this run and so I just added another cubic foots worth of fresh to the old. Was that where I went wrong then? An yes this would be at least my 2nd possibly third run with this mix as a whole.

NaturalFarmer said:
No fix this soil for this run and make new soil for the next. It isn't going to happen over night.

Affirmative, sorry for lack of update been busy today. How should I proceed? I'm honestly lost now as to what's wrong? Other then Ph swings/problems? I do appreciate the continuing help though really, I'm slowly watching for increase or decrease in symptoms over the days now.

NaturalFarmer · Jan 1, 2017

I would get some distilled water from here on out until you can find out how hard your water is.. Try that for a few days. Keep applying epsom salt every three or four days. Monitor new growth until she starts rocking back.

pass the pipe · Jan 2, 2017

NaturalFarmer said:
I would get some distilled water from here on out until you can find out how hard your water is.. Try that for a few days. Keep applying epsom salt every three or four days. Monitor new growth until she starts rocking back.

One question though, I'm gonna watch it like a hawk, but one of the smallest plants still in veg, I literally just turned the faucet on almost drip slow and let it slowly flush through, now a day and a half later I don't want to say it did much but the brown spots seemed to stop or at least slow down on this plant, the others I'm still gonna wait and watch to document the effect. But given that, if flushing enough tap water through (roughly a gallon or so water) through a gallon pot (it's really more like 3 liters) possibly solved it. Could I have just had a good amount of salinity in the soil or ph problem before flushing that it helped balance out the soils ph to a more balanced level afterwards?

Now I know someone's probably going to say I shouldn't have to flush organics and I won't deny or agree as I'm still in the infancy stage when it comes to general organics, tends to go a bit over my head when trying to delve into it. I tend to want to know why this or that happens even after getting the answer or results I seek and ends up becoming quite overwhelming when still new. That and the forums here are literally the only help I can get... Due to my disability I don't get out much at all due to the pain and chronic fatigue, so visiting random gardening and organics seminar type classes is out of the question for me at the moment.

Dammit forgot to hit "post reply" like hours ago...

NaturalFarmer · Jan 2, 2017

Calcium = more pore space.......better drainage......listen to what they say about water.....I THINK THAT MAY BE THE MAIN ISSUE

hmmmm. lime and gypsum.

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