Can't figure out what's wrong :(

Just a couple of observations:

I went back and looked at the makeup of your soil and I noticed it's comprised of both Peat and Coco. It's been my observation, (but not my practical experience), that these 'hybrid' soil mixes are not conducive to good growth in cannabis. Again, I have no practical experience with it, as I use straight coco, however, I have seen countless posts where issues have occurred while using this sort of mix. In my mind, and if it's possible, it might be best to see if you can find an all Peat mix and re-plant / pot these girls up, noting your starting nutrients and then going from there. If you can get them right, they'll almost certainly take off. You really don't have much to lose at this point.

My other observation is, that your Bionik additive shows you're dealing with a 16% Ca level vs. a .27% Mg level. The huge amount of Ca in comparison may be causing you some issues as well.

Good luck; sorry I can't be of more help.

Was going to mention the same @CannaCountry. The 16.0% Ca vs the 0.27% Mg is out of balance. I believe you want it closer to 5:1 - 7:1 (although not sure if the ratio is by wgt or molecular proportion).

If your tap is run-off from mountain streams ect I bet it's full of minerals already adding to this excess, imo.

You're not using the outdoor soil (for one, but many other differences), so you can't really compare what works for you outdoors, to what you're doing indoors.

I'd assume your low RH is making your plants transpire more than typical, and that your excess Ca is blocking your Fe uptake. Both of those conditions subside temporarily (if at all) with a flush, but because RH is low it takes up the unbalanced nutes quick, and why you don't see it help more than a day or so.

It also seems that you're overwatering. Water when its dry not by what a meter says. You only add water when it's dry, not when its less wet. When the soil is dry by touch.

@mariowarner I'd personally re-pot without the bionik, and adding twice as much perlite than you did initially. I'd use pH down. If you can't keep your RH up over 45 then reduce your nute density a bit. I'm not sure if you have a Mg def or not, there are so many variables but it could def be a possibility. These are suggestions that I would do, but you do you, and good luck!

Good job on posting all the labels and pics too.

CannaCountry said:

I went back and looked at the makeup of your soil and I noticed it's comprised of both Peat and Coco. It's been my observation, (but not my practical experience), that these 'hybrid' soil mixes are not conducive to good growth in cannabis. Again, I have no practical experience with it, as I use straight coco, however, I have seen countless posts where issues have occurred while using this sort of mix. In my mind, and if it's possible, it might be best to see if you can find an all Peat mix and re-plant / pot these girls up, noting your starting nutrients and then going from there. If you can get them right, they'll almost certainly take off. You really don't have much to lose at this point.

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That's could definitely be a reason, never heard of that, thanks!

CannaCountry said:

My other observation is, that your Bionik additive shows you're dealing with a 16% Ca level vs. a .27% Mg level. The huge amount of Ca in comparison may be causing you some issues as well.

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Brock_Fawkin_Samson said:

Was going to mention the same @CannaCountry. The 16.0% Ca vs the 0.27% Mg is out of balance. I believe you want it closer to 5:1 - 7:1 (although not sure if the ratio is by wgt or molecular proportion).

If your tap is run-off from mountain streams ect I bet it's full of minerals already adding to this excess, imo.

You're not using the outdoor soil (for one, but many other differences), so you can't really compare what works for you outdoors, to what you're doing indoors.

I'd assume your low RH is making your plants transpire more than typical, and that your excess Ca is blocking your Fe uptake. Both of those conditions subside temporarily (if at all) with a flush, but because RH is low it takes up the unbalanced nutes quick, and why you don't see it help more than a day or so.

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That is also a very plausible reason I wasn't aware of, will try it as well!

Brock_Fawkin_Samson said:

It also seems that you're overwatering. Water when its dry not by what a meter says. You only add water when it's dry, not when its less wet. When the soil is dry by touch.

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The thing is I read that too dry soil kills the microbes and that they need at least a little humidity to survive. The meter goes all the way to the bottom where it takes the longest to dry out. When the meter indicates the soil is almost dry, I weigh the pots to be certain they are light enough. I may be wrong with this technique, will wait a bit more before watering next time!

Brock_Fawkin_Samson said:

I'd personally re-pot without the bionik, and adding twice as much perlite than you did initially.

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Will probably do that! Do you have a particular re-potting technique?

Brock_Fawkin_Samson said:

Good job on posting all the labels and pics too.

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I try my best to help you helping me

Bernie420 said:

foliar feed this once a day at 1 gr per gal then use some grow. kelp. humic acid. cal mag. and some microbes at the roots with good lighting and environment these should bounce back.

Under fed over watered lack of mag
Hit it with some grow nutes of the liquid type

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Ordered some microbes but they cannot be shipped right now as the weather is too cold up here... I foliar feed 1x a day as you told me to, the new leaves seems a little greener! Will wait and see how they react to the microbes before buying liquid nutes.

Again, thank you all for helping! I'm learning everyday a little more

mariowarner said:

That's c



Ordered some microbes but they cannot be shipped right now as the weather is too cold up here... I foliar feed 1x a day as you told me to, the new leaves seems a little greener! Will wait and see how they react to the microbes before buying liquid nutes.

Again, thank you all for helping! I'm learning everyday a little more

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Why would weather effect the microbes. doesnt make much sense you cant get any dry microbes or your not by a store that has any on the shelves?. and waiting to feed it is on you.

GL

Bernie420 said:

Why would weather effect the microbes. doesnt make much sense you cant get any dry microbes or your not by a store that has any on the shelves?. and waiting to feed it is on you.

GL

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Nah no dry microbes around where I live and the prices on the net are too expensive imo. Wouldn't the microbes do what the liquide nutes do (make nutes available to the plant)?

mariowarner said:

Nah no dry microbes around where I live and the prices on the net are too expensive imo. Wouldn't the microbes do what the liquide nutes do (make nutes available to the plant)?

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You really need to research what the microbes do for you then you would understand better . research kelp, humic acid, magnesium as well


Without going back what light are you useing cuz that could be a problem as well but Idk even with a crappy light you should be able to get these back healthy so it doesnt matter I guess.

Bernie420 said:

You really need to research what the microbes do for you then you would understand better .

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I'm in the middle of the book Teaming up with microbes but had to stop to do unrelated research. I'm looking forward to finish it! From what I understand, the microbes eat and break down the soil amendments to make them available for the plants to uptake. The liquid nutrients in salt form are already ready for uptake but don't favorise microbial growth. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Bernie420 said:

research kelp, humic acid, magnesium as well

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Will do, thanks!

Bernie420 said:

Without going back what light are you useing cuz that could be a problem as well but Idk even with a crappy light you should be able to get these back healthy so it doesnt matter I guess.

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I'm pretty sure they are more than enough as I can output more than 32w/sqft. The guys at HLG seem pretty knowledgable about their stuff and people seem to grow good stuff with them! But again, I still need to experience it myself!

Thanks!

CannaCountry said:

Just a couple of observations:

I went back and looked at the makeup of your soil and I noticed it's comprised of both Peat and Coco. It's been my observation, (but not my practical experience), that these 'hybrid' soil mixes are not conducive to good growth in cannabis. Again, I have no practical experience with it, as I use straight coco, however, I have seen countless posts where issues have occurred while using this sort of mix. In my mind, and if it's possible, it might be best to see if you can find an all Peat mix and re-plant / pot these girls up, noting your starting nutrients and then going from there. If you can get them right, they'll almost certainly take off. You really don't have much to lose at this point.

My other observation is, that your Bionik additive shows you're dealing with a 16% Ca level vs. a .27% Mg level. The huge amount of Ca in comparison may be causing you some issues as well.

Good luck; sorry I can't be of more help.

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^ this, hybrid soil. Use one or the other next time for best results, good luck

mariowarner said:

I'm in the middle of the book Teaming up with microbes but had to stop to do unrelated research. I'm looking forward to finish it! From what I understand, the microbes eat and break down the soil amendments to make them available for the plants to uptake. The liquid nutrients in salt form are already ready for uptake but don't favorise microbial growth. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong


Will do, thanks!


I'm pretty sure they are more than enough as I can output more than 32w/sqft. The guys at HLG seem pretty knowledgable about their stuff and people seem to grow good stuff with them! But again, I still need to experience it myself!

Thanks!

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Basically

the microbes will consume the liquid nutes as well. Excessive salts will kill the microbe population and restrict plant growth as well. I would suggest watering in your nutes at about 600ppms in soil as a base line. Feed water water feed. ph to 6.5.

What hits the roots with the synthetic nutes will get absorbed and would be a quicker fix to the plant cuz it looks underfed instead of that organic product which is fine if you had a robust microbe population working for you but I don't think you do.

Brewing a tea with worm castings would help get some microbes going.

All I can tell you if you had a decent grow nute with a little kelp humic cal mag and microbes in proper ratios and watered in one time and left alone to heal those plants should turn around. Since yours look like they are hell of mag deficient then I suggest the epsom salt for that problem.

I think that with those plants and the one time watering you wouldn't need to water again for a week to ten days even with fabric pots cuz the plants are not healthy. That's my experience so if you water more than that you may be watering too much with the size and condition of the plant I am seeing.

mariowarner said:

That's could definitely be a reason, never heard of that, thanks!



That is also a very plausible reason I wasn't aware of, will try it as well!


The thing is I read that too dry soil kills the microbes and that they need at least a little humidity to survive. The meter goes all the way to the bottom where it takes the longest to dry out. When the meter indicates the soil is almost dry, I weigh the pots to be certain they are light enough. I may be wrong with this technique, will wait a bit more before watering next time!


Will probably do that! Do you have a particular re-potting technique?


I try my best to help you helping me


Ordered some microbes but they cannot be shipped right now as the weather is too cold up here... I foliar feed 1x a day as you told me to, the new leaves seems a little greener! Will wait and see how they react to the microbes before buying liquid nutes.

Again, thank you all for helping! I'm learning everyday a little more

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For repotting I'd just dig up the plant and shake a bit of the dirt off, not all, you don't want roots laying on roots and getting slimy, you want there to be some soil in between. Then add to a new pot with some of the new mixture at the bottom with some michorizae ontop, and then hold your plant where you want it and fill in your medium around.

Water with fulvics and you're kelp and chemical nutes. Whatever humate you're using will work in time. Maybe add some aspirin to your foliar.

I use the finger test in soil if I'm unsure, but if you're weighing your plants (against a dry control) as a measurement you're probably doing fine.

Bernie420 said:

Basically

the microbes will consume the liquid nutes as well. Excessive salts will kill the microbe population and restrict plant growth as well. I would suggest watering in your nutes at about 600ppms in soil as a base line. Feed water water feed. ph to 6.5.

What hits the roots with the synthetic nutes will get absorbed and would be a quicker fix to the plant cuz it looks underfed instead of that organic product which is fine if you had a robust microbe population working for you but I don't think you do.

Brewing a tea with worm castings would help get some microbes going.

All I can tell you if you had a decent grow nute with a little kelp humic cal mag and microbes in proper ratios and watered in one time and left alone to heal those plants should turn around. Since yours look like they are hell of mag deficient then I suggest the epsom salt for that problem.

I think that with those plants and the one time watering you wouldn't need to water again for a week to ten days even with fabric pots cuz the plants are not healthy. That's my experience so if you water more than that you may be watering too much with the size and condition of the plant I am seeing.

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Brock_Fawkin_Samson said:

For repotting I'd just dig up the plant and shake a bit of the dirt off, not all, you don't want roots laying on roots and getting slimy, you want there to be some soil in between. Then add to a new pot with some of the new mixture at the bottom with some michorizae ontop, and then hold your plant where you want it and fill in your medium around.

Water with fulvics and you're kelp and chemical nutes. Whatever humate you're using will work in time. Maybe add some aspirin to your foliar.

I use the finger test in soil if I'm unsure, but if you're weighing your plants (against a dry control) as a measurement you're probably doing fine.

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Would some Sensi Cal-Mag be effective? Contains cal, mag, iron, amino acids, seaweed extracts, etc.
https://www.advancednutrients.com/products/sensi-cal-mag-xtra/
Wormcasting teas are coming next summer only!

mariowarner said:

Would some Sensi Cal-Mag be effective? Contains cal, mag, iron, amino acids, seaweed extracts, etc.
https://www.advancednutrients.com/products/sensi-cal-mag-xtra/
Wormcasting teas are coming next summer only!

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there isnt any microbes in that product if thats what your asking

Why wait for tea all you need is an air pump air stone tubing water tea fixins electricity nylon sock and a bucket

Bernie420 said:

there isnt any microbes in that product if thats what your asking

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No it's more for the part where you told that I need some cal, mag and kelp. The microbes are on their way, it's just a matter of time until I get them.

Bernie420 said:

Why wait for tea all you need is an air pump air stone tubing water tea fixins electricity nylon sock and a bucket

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Will have a look if I can do it now, time and money are the issues here. But I fully understand how convenient such a little machine can be!

mariowarner said:

No it's more for the part where you told that I need some cal, mag and kelp. The microbes are on their way, it's just a matter of time until I get them.


Will have a look if I can do it now, time and money are the issues here. But I fully understand how convenient such a little machine can be!

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seems fine if thats what you want to use I dont see that there is any kelp in it though

mariowarner said:

Would some Sensi Cal-Mag be effective? Contains cal, mag, iron, amino acids, seaweed extracts, etc.
https://www.advancednutrients.com/products/sensi-cal-mag-xtra/
Wormcasting teas are coming next summer only!

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That's fine.

If you got some Superthrive use it.

Your Gaia feed will be her food till you use humics or microbes. With twice as much perlite she'll breath easier and allow you to flush easier if she's gets imbalanced again.

May the shwartz be with you ..

mariowarner said:

No it's more for the part where you told that I need some cal, mag and kelp. The microbes are on their way, it's just a matter of time until I get them.


Will have a look if I can do it now, time and money are the issues here. But I fully understand how convenient such a little machine can be!

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I guess you can get this now where you live from what I understand idk

https://www.amazon.com/Real-Growers-Recharge-8oz/dp/B00J1CAEIG

This one product and foliar feeding the epsom salt should be able to turn those plants around providing your doing everything else right (lighting, environment, watering practices, etc.)

Bernie420 said:

I guess you can get this now where you live from what I understand idk

https://www.amazon.com/Real-Growers-Recharge-8oz/dp/B00J1CAEIG

This one product and foliar feeding the epsom salt should be able to turn those plants around providing your doing everything else right (lighting, environment, watering practices, etc.)

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I've heard that recharge is good stuff, Ive never used it tho.

redivider said:

plants this size should be getting full dose of nutes.

I would not put any fert into the soil directly - if you do then you can't take it out.....

anyways - try this - dilute that to 15% of what it says on the bottle and do a foilar spray -

if it improves the plant is hungry and needs nutes....

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Dilute dry amendments?