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Causes of Foxtailing

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Fonz3rd

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Hi all , new to site wanted to check out info and so far this has been the most helpful. Here is what i need some help with my plants are 54 days in flowering cycle under 1000w HPS, not sure on the strain was told ATF but not for sure. Are they ready for harvest? Also i've never seen this on any flowers before there are leaves like regrowing out of the flowers(FoxTail)?, did this go to long? Here are some pics to help visualize, 1st ones are with the light off,(Bottom pics). 2nd pics same plants light off , but if you look at the 3rd pic top of the flower there are leaves growing out of it, can anyone explain? Also ive been watching trics and from what i can tell there between milky and few amber. Here are a few pic of the trics done with ECOPLUS 60-100 light micro as best as can be done with cam and scope.
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deprave

deprave

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It seems to be associated with conditions of high salts in the soil or when the strain has just had to much of a nute like nitrogen, can't say I have ever had it happen on what I would call a good grow its always when things are going wrong and the plants just aren't happy and only some strains can do it - for that reason and perhaps others I also associate fox-tailing with lower potency then normal - one thing is certain for me is that it likely a genetic trait because its only certain phenotypes that will do it.
 
medicolas

medicolas

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I have been told by a 30+ year cash-cropper that this was the second and final burst of flowering. After these later "Foxtail buds on buds thing) buds stamen are about 50% changed to what ever color your plant changes to you start looking at the triches. Again 50% amber... harvest.

This is not my actual ritual but close. Just thought I would throw some advice from a dude that's been doin this a long time and has made MAD CASH! That don't make him 100% right but I would rather be well off than right 100% of the time.
 
fabfun

fabfun

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had it appen to me and the new growth wont finish i cut them off but they come back only answer i got here at riu was maybe gibberic acid
what nutes u using
 
medicolas

medicolas

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fabfun said:
had it appen to me and the new growth wont finish i cut them off but they come back only answer i got here at riu was maybe gibberic acid
what nutes u using
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Did you mean Gibberellic acid...? The only thing I have ever heard that used for is to create feminized seeds?

 
fabfun

fabfun

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medicolas said:
Did you mean Gibberellic acid...? The only thing I have ever heard that used for is to create feminized seeds?
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some guy said it is miracle grow but i didnt see it in the msds of ingredints but found out they r know to not say what all is in there
 
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phillk6751

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unity said:
Heat is my vote as well. Not a big deal though, I have some BJ doing it on the top colas. Definitely adds some weight :)))
BTW, we need to differentiate between foxtailing and dreading. The former sucks as it is just a stretchy ass calyx as the mate above states.
Unity
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You are forgetting a third phenomenon/growth called crowning...where new buds grow smack dab out of the middle of old calyxes. That's the coolest one.
 
medicolas

medicolas

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I do believe I was mistaken... I am sure he was talking about crowning, not foxtailing! That makes sense now. +rep for the info!
 
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superjet

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has anybody seen this (fox tailing) in a pure indica strain? i seem to only see it in sativas or sativa dominant strains. for me salt lock out isn't the reason. i just finished up with some barneys LSD from seed. these seeds kicked out some indica dominant and some sativa dominant plants with only the sativa dominant plants wanting to fox tail and the buds were freaking rock hard on all plants. it seemed to get more pronounced when i started flushing, but granted these plants were never fed more than 700-900ppm (30% runoff) with some water here and there to keep the runoff ppms (coco) from ever going past a 1000ppm. i harvested @ 5% clear 90% white 5% amber trichomes so i my case i doubt it's from being over ripe. are there any botinist types around here that would know for sure? just curious as i see it in a lot of hybrids i grow from seed.
 
Total Head

Total Head

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one of the first things i notice on threads like these is that a lot of people actually like when this happens. they say the calyxes "stack".
when foxtailing happens to me it is usually nothing more than a stretching of the bud, actually resulting in less density and more sticks. i really hate it actually.

i tend to see it in strains that are particularly on the sativa side and have "waves" of pistils, meaning that the plant seems done but it's shooting out new pistils everywhere. i have decided that in this case it is a mistake to let the plant continue to ripen because it just causes stretching of the "bud tips", and sometimes the bud can get overdone.

i also notice it when the plants have been subjected to a fair amount of moisture and heat stress during the flower cycle. i almost never notice it on strains that are naturally dense.

a comment above linked it to recovery, meaning that the plant was stressed, it recovered, and the foxtails are a reflection of whatever processes took place. i never noticed this exact link myself but stress does all sorts of wacky stuff to plants.
 
Killer Sativa

Killer Sativa

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Total Head said:
one of the first things i notice on threads like these is that a lot of people actually like when this happens. they say the calyxes "stack".
when foxtailing happens to me it is usually nothing more than a stretching of the bud, actually resulting in less density and more sticks. i really hate it actually.

i tend to see it in strains that are particularly on the sativa side and have "waves" of pistils, meaning that the plant seems done but it's shooting out new pistils everywhere. i have decided that in this case it is a mistake to let the plant continue to ripen because it just causes stretching of the "bud tips", and sometimes the bud can get overdone.

i also notice it when the plants have been subjected to a fair amount of moisture and heat stress during the flower cycle. i almost never notice it on strains that are naturally dense.

a comment above linked it to recovery, meaning that the plant was stressed, it recovered, and the foxtails are a reflection of whatever processes took place. i never noticed this exact link myself but stress does all sorts of wacky stuff to plants.
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Sounds completely logical.
 
kbz

kbz

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Think its a sativa thing because I have a sativa dominant strain in the same flower room with a pure indica for two generations and my kush comes out grade a dense thick sticky stinky nugz, and my sativa has foxtails all over the fucking place. I use the same nutes also obviously so I dont think its a temp or nute or flush problem. They come around week 6 or 7 and take longer to finish than the original bud. I run that strain for 14 weeks to let the foxtails ripen up. Im convinced its certain sativa or sativa hybrid genetics that cause it. I personally don't like the shit and im done with this strain after I chop this one down.
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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Foxtailing is a genetic trait of a lot of strains, has nothing to do with light leaks, heat or anything. Higher levels of Co2 will make them longer though.

It is a good sign that your plant is just about done growing as it is just the very tip of each stem of flower stacking on calyxs as they are done "fattening" up. I think it's pretty much a last ditch attempt to push out a few new pistils for one last chance at pollination.

I'm sure some stress issues may cause some foxtailing issues, however, some strains are going to whether you want them to or not. Here's an example of totally genetic foxtails. This plant never seen an hour of stress of any kind.

Had this been grown in a sealed environment with Co2 enrichment, it would have been even worse.
 

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ganjaman1945

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I have foxtailing as well aparent although i didnt know lol i repotted mine late and that triggered it dnt think its an indica/sativa thing though cus im growng pure of both and a hybrid and there all the same ripe buds underneath the canopy and unripe monter lookin colas lol
 
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