medicineman
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The repukes are very agitated in defeat, one they deserve now and in November. Read it here first, republican rout in Nov. 2010., super majority reinforced by democrats, 63-37. HO HO HO.
Bahahahaha!!!! This is exactly what I told my wife we should do.
Well, you know me; doc the political forum idiot.One good thing about it all, I can now dump my health insurance and just pay the government fine, then when I get hurt or sick I can just purchase insurance then.
Anyone ever heard the old saying... "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it"? This statement shows that your understanding of what this bill may do is for shit. Not surprising considering your normal line of reasoning when railing against it is similarly uneducated. If you choose to shun insurance and pay the fine, you will still lose everything should you get into an accident or become suddenly ill. I'm sure your wife would like living under a bridge though.
The Europeans who love it have either never been really sick or they haven't had a loved one get really sick. Europe is in big trouble. Greece has recently suffered a severe collapse and the E.U. will soon suffer from the fallout. There may even be a domino effect. We just don't know but it's not good. Massachusettes, which is supposed to be the model on which Obamacare was designed is in a huge financial crisis because of.............you guessed it! Universal healthcare! I've said it before and I will continue to say it, I would be behind this bill if I thought it would help. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter now because it's passed. We'll see what happens next. I don't expect the house to burn down immediately but I think it will eventually. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I don't want bad things to happen because of this bill. But have we learned nothing from the past? There are always unintended consequences and many will be hurt because of this. You don't have to be a fortune teller to see that. I want you to know that I had a serious accident as a result of an on the job injury. I was covered by work comp for a couple of years then they dropped me without warning. I found out when I went to pick up a prescription and had to pay out of pocket. I hired a lawyer (which I couldn't afford) and fought them. I walked away with a paltry sum which far from pays my medical costs. I will need medication and treatment for the rest of my life because of this accident. This is an example of how the govt. will treat its people. I was a govt. employee and this was state run work comp. I know firsthand how people are treated by the govt. when it comes to healthcare. This is one of the reasons I'm so opposed to this...........I have actually dealt with it! The fire dept. and the community awarded me a medal for bravery for my actions which led to my injury. Unfortunately I took it to a pawn broker and he said he'd give me 20 bucks for it. If a firefighter who was injured in the line of duty while trying to save a life is treated in this way, what do you think is in store for the rest of us? BTW, here is a link you might be interested in:
http://econ.economicshelp.org/2009/0...ing-in-uk.html
Ummmm, I am sure that there are just as many democrats who are lawyers. And get your facts straight. Obama said that they included some of the things the republicans wanted. I don't know why none of them voted for it except the fact that it goes against everything we stand for in this country (or at least used to stand for). Hopefully the govt. doesn't start doing drug testing in order to get coverage. It wouldn't surprise me.I really wish the repukes, umm, republicans would have compromised. It would have been a better bill. One of the big things they talked about was tort reform; this is desperately needed. Now nothing.
I hope as this bill is tweaked, and I think it will be, tort reform will be part of the package. Problem though, many republicans are lawyers too!
The bill is far from perfect, but it IS a step in the right direction. In general, I am a bit left of center, but I really wish the right had more of a say here. I am a fiscal conservative. The republicans would have done their constitutes justice by PARTICIPATION. Their intransigence was their own undoing. The bill could have been better, but they would have none of it.
Check out the summary here before you do anything: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html
There are some good things that take effect now. Some is put off to 2014 for a smoother transition.
If you choose to shun insurance and pay the fine, you will still lose everything should you get into an accident or become suddenly ill. I'm sure your wife would like living under a bridge though.
I genuinely don't follow....what are you asking for me show you can not be done?Show me where it says this is not able to be done.
Obviously you didn't read it. Pick and choose. I am not sure why you keep calling me uneducated (I do possess a master's degree). He said his family member had a heart attack. That is an acute condition! People suffering from acute conditions usually get treated well. It's the people with expensive and hard to treat illnesses, like cancer, who have to worry. I don't know why you insist on insulting me when I've never insulted you even once. You fucking people are unbelievable. You didn't even read the whole post and you start calling me uneducated............go fuck yourself!Doc111: The Europeans who love it have either never been really sick or they haven't had a loved one get really sick.
I stopped reading the rest of your painfully formatted, uneducated rant because the person you addressed the above remark towards directly contradicted it. He talked about the medical care that his family members received from the NHS in face of extreme and severe medical difficulties. For your statement to be even close to true, than about 90% of those who use NHS have neither been sick or had one of their loved ones get sick. Anyone who actually believes such a retarted notion, much less types it out for the rest of the world to see, is deluded. That is you.
And mindmelted, you too must not know what the fuck you are talking about. If you earn less than 4 times poverty, about $88,000, the government subsidizes your purchase of health insurance. If you have it real shitty, like at poverty or 1.5 times poverty, you get insurance dirt cheap. If you are really really fucked and poor, hardship waiver. This is about social responsibility (we are all in this together to lower the costs of out currently unsustainable system). This is not about robbing the poor. Why don't you go masturbate to Glenn Beck some more. If you want to talk about this bill, you should skim any one of a million different articles out there right now that summarize what is actually in it.
I thought you couldn't be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition? If that is in fact true then anybody could not carry insurance, pay the $695 dollar fine and simply get coverage once they are sick and need it. That's the point that No Drama and everyone else who is opposed to this are trying to make. Here is an article I found that talks about some of the problems with the U.K. healthcare. I'm sure you won't read it since you only see what you want to see. Being closed minded is a sign of being uneducated.I genuinely don't follow....what are you asking for me show you can not be done?
My point was simply that if you opt to pay the fine instead of doing the socially responsible thing and getting insured, you will be vulnerable to a $64,000 bill for 8 nights stay in a hospital after a routine surgery. Or whatever other permutation fits your fancy...