Cheapest way to grow indoors?? Soil or hydro

bangthangonme

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Im upgrading my 2x4x5 grow tent to at least a 4x4x7, and going from a 400w hps to a 1000w mh/hps combo for $189 on ebay(tell me if anyone thinks these are too cheap and will not be worth it in the long run, i know they are not cooled at all just cheap reflector like the one i have now.) Also if anyone knows the best type of cheap reflector to cover the most space please let me kno. My question is, is it cheaper in the short and long run to grow hydroponically or with soil indoors, with the cost of soil vs. the cost of hydro medium and so on? It seems like less and less people are growing using soil, and I spent almost $20 a bag for FFOF at the nearest grow shop.
 

KuLong

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I grow in soil and just started playing around with a small hydro set-up.

I have found, for me at least, that soil set-up is actually more expensive if you use the DWC, Aeroponic or hempy bucket techniques. Its when you buy store bought hydroponic systems where it gets more expensive.
 

doniawon

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intial cost.. hydro by far. But certain hydro systems can be maitained and reused for as little as a bottle of bleach and a new line of nutes. Where as with soil your always gonna have to buy dirtm additives, as well as nutients and cleaning agents if your reusing pots and tools. THese days hydro can be intimidating or even confuseing with all the options in the catalogs and on the web. Good cheap systems can be put together for the same price as dirt and pots. I would say know how is a huge factor when going hydro, there will be bumps in the road. Costly bumps, soil is more forgiving. But no matter what you choose its all trial and error. I would ask first what do you like smoking better?? and what ever you prefer start your journey there.
 

abudsmoker

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hydro set up will be more costly up front but pay out in the long run, however hydro can get you in deep trouble too. i have seen large crops get wasted on a equipment problem

dirt is a good start, but i feel its easier to keep hydro going smoothly and finishes in better health for less cost per gram
 

xKuroiTaimax

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I'm a novice, but my parents and I never had a problem with 5 plants in the kitchen 3 in the airing cupboard and a couple more in the bathroom just garden soil, water and sunlight...
 

Shanus

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Hydro is more expensive on the setup for sure, but after the initial purchase.... way cheaper!! I reuse everything but old nute water, 1.5" rockwool, and about 10% of the used hydroton. Equipment failure?? If you are growing so big and arent watching your gals for over 72hrs at a shot, you're needing commercial environ controls, and price isnt an issue. Ive forgotten to turn on entire banks of timers. About 3 days later my ladies told me they were thirsty, and I plugged the equip back in. If youre running indoor lighting, that failure will affect soil and hydro equally really. If you try to run a 1000w in a small area, indoors, unvented, I think youve already got an equipment failure? Anyhow, $180 aint bad for a 1000 ballast by itself.

The reason I gave in and started hyro at the beginning was those darn pesky gnats. That, and I couldnt quit messing with the gals enough, and boffed the watering schedule ALL THE TIME! Seemed to me like it was harder to control what kind of nutes they were getting in soil. Granted I didnt burn them with organic ferts, I did with bad soil. Most of my learning curve was actually spent on plant training, and environmental stability issues. I used some trial and error, and actually found a simple to make, easy to maintain, and cheap ebb and flow setup. I'm talking $60 cheap for the ebb setup to hold (6) 2' gals, including pump,res,float,tubing and hydroton! All my parts were found easily, so if theres ever an equipment failure...I fix it.

In the beginning nutrient cost scared me, but when compared to the cost of soil, its less over time than a good soil. Not to mention, dumping water is easier than dumping soil for me. I also WAY over worried myself over the ph and ppm thing. Hell, now I just kinda guess at the ppm I'm looking for, dump in the 3part i use, and if its close....run it! If it starts to burn, I add some water to the tubs. If they look a tad yellow or spotty, add more nutes next change. Also, with a big enough res, ph drift isnt so bad. Let's not forget how wonderful it is to not wonder if it's time to water!

I'd suggest to run hydro off the go, if you plan to try it in the future. If you plan to grow more than a few small gals and quit, go hydro. But, if you want HUGE ladies, and plan on not collecting expensive lights anyhow.. go soil. Really tho, if you're buying a 1000w right now, are you THAT concerned about investment? I wish I hadnt wasted so much money on BS cheap stuff to "try" with. Now that stuff is collecting dust and my good equip earns its worth each day.

Im definately waiting for the day I can power my OUTDOOR garden by the sun, and use and reuse the soil mother earth gave us. But until then, its technology for me and oh it tastes so good. Somewhere here I have a thread "hydroponics aint that damn hard ppl!". Not sure youre worried about it being hard, but if so... Happy growing to ya!!:leaf:
 

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bangthangonme

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Great advice thanks everbody, I have also heard that the potency of crop with hydro was a little less than with soil, but that may have been balanced by other factors. Anyway, i think ill stick with soil right now but im paying alot for this dirt.
 

Shanus

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Great advice thanks everbody, I have also heard that the potency of crop with hydro was a little less than with soil, but that may have been balanced by other factors. Anyway, i think ill stick with soil right now but im paying alot for this dirt.
Not sure I can agree with that. Ive noticed that strain type and other environ factors seem to have more an affect on potency. Other factors for sure. Lets not forget the biggest potency factor.......father time! Happy grows



Soil grow on left nug, hydro on right nug. Both a tad young at harvest. Not a trace of nute flavor in each btw.
 

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doniawon

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Not sure I can agree with that. Ive noticed that strain type and other environ factors seem to have more an affect on potency. Other factors for sure. Lets not forget the biggest potency factor.......father time! Happy grows



Soil grow on left nug, hydro on right nug. Both a tad young at harvest. Not a trace of nute flavor in each btw.
Im going to say the "biggest potency factor" is genetics. And that soil nug looks "a little less" than that hydro nug. great post Shanus. +rep. gohydro
 
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