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[edit] Death

Morell escaped Berlin on one of the last German flights out of the city but was soon captured by the Americans. One of his interrogators was reportedly "disgusted" by his obesity and complete lack of hygiene. Although he was held in an American internment camp, on the site of the former Buchenwald concentration camp, and questioned because of his proximity to Hitler, Morell was never charged with any crimes. His health declined rapidly. Grossly obese and suffering from speech impairment, he died in Tegernsee on the 26th of May 1948 after a stroke.

[edit] Substances given to Hitler

Morell kept a medical diary of the drugs, tonics, vitamins and other substances he administered to Hitler, usually by either injection or in pill form. Most were commercial preparations, some were his own. Since some of these compounds are considered toxic, many historians have speculated Morell may have accidentally contributed to Hitler's poor health. This fragmentary list of representative ingredients would have seemed somewhat less shocking during the 1940s:
Morell apparently never told Hitler (or anyone else) what he was administering, other than to say the preparations contained various vitamins and "natural" ingredients. Some ingredients were later confirmed by doctors who had been shown pills by Hitler while temporarily treating him. A few of the preparations (such as Glyconorm, a tonic popular in Switzerland for fighting infections) contained rendered forms of animal tissues such as placenta, cardiac muscle, liver and bull testicles. During his interrogation after the war, Morell claimed another doctor had prescribed cocaine to Hitler and at least one other doctor is known to have administered it through eyedrops after he requested it in the hours following an almost successful assassination attempt on July 20, 1944. Cocaine was routinely used for medical purposes in Germany during that time but Morell is said to have increased the dosage tenfold. Overuse of cocaine eyedrops has been associated with psychotic behavior, hypertension and other symptoms but historians have generally tended to discount any effects of Morell's treatments on Hitler's decision-making.
Morell was subject to many accusations by members of Hitler's inner circle. Several people claimed he regularly injected Hitler with morphine without telling him and that Morell himself was a morphine addict. Some went so far as to claim Morell used Hitler as a "guinea pig" for several of the drugs he tried to develop and sell but these latter claims were made by people without medical backgrounds and may not be reliable.
 
Wavels

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Good stuff panda!


7xstall said:
saying Bush is like Hitler is silly
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Precisely....however the far left seems to specialize in silliness!

Med,your suggestion that anyone who objects to the comparison of GWB and Hitler as being a "defender" of GWB is wacky!
What is wrong with simply discussing the inaccuracies of the erroneous mantra of "Bush is Hitler"?????
 
medicineman

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pandabear said:
Theodor Morell

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Theodor (Theo) Gilbert Morell (July 22, 1886 – May 26, 1948) was German dictator Adolf Hitler's personal physician. Morell was well-known in Germany for his unconventional, holistic and alternative treatments.
Although Morell had medical training and was licensed as a general practitioner in Germany long before he met Hitler, following World War II there were investigations into his practice along with interrogation by the Allies and he came to be widely regarded as a quack. Historians have speculated his treatment contributed to Hitler's ill health.
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Hitler was suffering from a skin rash and intestinal gas when, during a party at the Berghof near Berchtesgaden, he first met Morell, who said he could cure him within a year. Morell's wife was unhappy when he accepted the job as Hitler's personal physician. Morell began treating Hitler with various commercial preparations, including a combination of vitamins and E. coli bacteria called Multiflor. Hitler seemed to recover and Morell eventually became a part of Hitler's social inner circle, remaining there until shortly before the war ended. Some historians have attempted to explain this association by citing Morell's reputation in Germany for success in treating syphilis, along with Hitler's own (speculated) fears of the disease which he associated closely with Jews. Other observers have commented on the possibility Hitler had visible symptoms of both Parkinson's disease and syphilis, especially towards the end of the war.
As Hitler's physician Morell was constantly recommended to other members of the Nazi leadership but most of them, including Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler, immediately dismissed him as a quack. As Albert Speer related in his autobiography:
"In 1936, when my circulation and stomach rebelled...I called at Morell's private office. After a superficial examination...Morell prescribed for me his intestinal bacteria, dextrose, vitamins, and hormone tablets." "For safety's sake I afterward had a thorough examination by Professor von Bergmann, the specialist in internal medicine at Berlin University. I was not suffering from any organic trouble, he concluded, but only from nervous symptoms caused by overwork." "I slowed down my pace as best I could and the symptoms abated. To avoid offending Hitler I pretended that I was carefully following Morell's instructions, and since my health improved, I became for a time Morell's showpiece." (Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, 1970). In his memoirs, Speer made clear that he didn't consider Morell to be a "quack." Rather, he characterized him as an opportunist who, once he achieved status as Hitler's physician, became extremely careless and lazy in his work, and who was more concerned with money and status rather than actually providing medical assistance.
Goering called Morell Der Reichsspritzenmeister, a nickname that stuck. This term does not have a precise English translation. Among the translations of this nickname are "Herr Reich Injection Master" (Speer, Inside the Third Reich), "The Reich's Injections Impresario" (Junge, Until the Final Hour), and "The Master of the Imperial Needle" (O'Donnell, The Bunker). However this term is translated, its underlying meaning is the same - it implied that Morell always resorted to using injections and drugs when faced with any medical problem, and that he overused these drug injections.
Morell developed a rivalry with Dr. Karl Brandt, who had been attending Hitler since 1933. The two often argued, though Hitler usually sided with Morell. Eva Braun later changed her opinion of Morell, calling his office a "pig sty" and refusing to see him anymore.
In 1939 Morell inadvertently became involved with the forced annexation of Czechoslovakia. The Czechoslovakian president, Emil Hacha, became so scared at Hitler's outburst that he fainted. Morell injected stimulants into Hacha to wake him and although he claimed these were only vitamins, they may have included methamphetamine. Hacha meanwhile soon caved in to Hitler's demands.
Following the July 20, 1944 assassination attempt against Hitler, Morell treated him with topical penicillin, which had only recently been introduced into testing by the U.S. Army. Where he acquired it is unknown and Morell claimed complete ignorance of penicillin when he was interrogated by American intelligence officers after the war. Moreover, when members of Hitler's inner circle were interviewed for the book The Bunker, some claimed Morell owned a significant share in a company fraudulently marketing a product as penicillin.
By April 1945, Hitler was taking 28 different pills a day along with numerous injections (including many of glucose). On April 22, 1945 Hitler dismissed Morell from the Fuhrerbunker in Berlin, saying that he didn't need any more medical help. Nonetheless, Morell left behind a large amount of pre-prepared medicine; during the last week of Hitler's life, they were administered by Dr. Werner Haase and by Heinz Linge, Hitler's valet.
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From the lips of wikipedia, the know all be all of cut and paste,~LOL~.
 
iblazethatkush

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7xstall said:
it's hard to imagine Bush and Bin Laden knocking down a couple brewskis (maybe firing up a bowl or two?) at the town tavern and hatching the 9/11 plot together
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I'm not saying they hatched it together. But, the Bush and Bin Laden families have been friends since the 70's. Bush had a business meeting with Bin Laden's older brother I think it was the day b4 9/11. After the planes hit, when no plane was allowed to leave the ground, Bush made special provisions to send a plane to scoop up the Bin Laden family and get them out of the country. Look it up if you don't believe me.
 
7xstall

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iblazethatkush said:
I'm not saying they hatched it together. But, the Bush and Bin Laden families have been friends since the 70's. Bush had a business meeting with Bin Laden's older brother I think it was the day b4 9/11. After the planes hit, when no plane was allowed to leave the ground, Bush made special provisions to send a plane to scoop up the Bin Laden family and get them out of the country. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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i've read the stuff about the mom and the sisters, not sure that i believe it, but it could be true... there's also a story about Bin Laden being flown by USAF to the UAE to get dialysis in Oct. 2001 but who knows???????

the biggest error in this is the missing WMD. if Bush did all this crap to US citizens he would have definitely at least gassed some Iraqis or planted some fissile material or thrown some anthrax up in the air to get a good sell on that war instead of coming out looking like a fool.

if any Americans knew about 9/11 they were not in the White house... it's so high risk and so low yield there just isn't any sound basis for him (or any politician) to do it. now, if he was pulling a Chavez and trying to get perpetual presidency - yeah, i'd be more likely to lean toward this. history has a way of being very relentless and there's just no way any top politician would do something like this. there's simply no profit.






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iblazethatkush

iblazethatkush

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7xstall said:
i've read the stuff about the mom and the sisters, not sure that i believe it, but it could be true... there's also a story about Bin Laden being flown by USAF to the UAE to get dialysis in Oct. 2001 but who knows???????

the biggest error in this is the missing WMD. if Bush did all this crap to US citizens he would have definitely at least gassed some Iraqis or planted some fissile material or thrown some anthrax up in the air to get a good sell on that war instead of coming out looking like a fool.

if any Americans knew about 9/11 they were not in the White house... it's so high risk and so low yield there just isn't any sound basis for him (or any politician) to do it. now, if he was pulling a Chavez and trying to get perpetual presidency - yeah, i'd be more likely to lean toward this. history has a way of being very relentless and there's just no way any top politician would do something like this. there's simply no profit.


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I'll admit there are some definite loose ends in this conspiracy theory. But, both men have exploited 9/11 to their advantage. If they did plan it, it's definitely going according to plan. Bush has more power than any other president in our history. Thanks to the Patriot Act and the like. While Bin Laden has more followers and a bigger voice than any other time in history. 9/11 seems to have favored both of them.
 
pandabear

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i agree stall

this is like trying to argue with someone saying that fog horn leghorn was christ returned but in cartoon form. just pretty redicules, id hazard to say that it makes these people sound like a gulible dumbasses if you ask me. now im not saying people who believe this theory are gulible dumbasses just sayin makes them sound like they are, so maybe your not infact a gulible dumbass i realy have no way of knowing for sure, but like i said it just sounds like it to me.
 
iblazethatkush

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Learn to spell. I can't read that gibberish. That's redicules. And, by the way, I'm the opposite of gullible because I question. Gullible would be a more accurate word in describing you because you swallow up the official story like fresh cum.
 
pandabear

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iblazethatkush said:
Learn to spell. I can't read that gibberish. That's redicules. And, by the way, I'm the opposite of gullible because I question. Gullible would be a more accurate word in describing you because you swallow up the official story like fresh cum.
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i just dont believe outlandish storys without valid evidence,


i mean ok so i could say this to benifit my political tendencies, so i could be like, hey there really was weapons of mass destruction and they were shipped out to syria and buried right before the war. saddam couldnt use it against us so he decided to store it or sell it to someone else.

now I could sit here and say this and it would benifit my argument, but guess what, i wouldnt cuz there is no evidence that this has happened, so if i continually insist that this is what really happened it would make me sound and look stupid. specially if i wasnt even the one who came up with the theory but was just regugitating someone elses theory. thats all i was sayin man
 
medicineman

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Here's a question for all you anti-conspiracy nutjobs.

The World Trade Center Demolition as an Insurance Scam

Larry Silverstein and his partner Frank Lowy acquired a 99-year lease on the entire World Trade Center complex just weeks before the 9/11/01 attack. The deal was negotiated by Lewis Eisenberg, the former chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Eisenberg was recently appointed chairman of the Republican National Committee. Eisenberg had resigned from Goldman Sachs in the 1980s after his secretary accused him of sexually harassing her. When New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman appointed Eisenberg chairman of the Port Authority, in February of 1996, Forbes Magazine wrote that it was "a strange political appointment, considering the part he played in the sex scandal that rocked Goldman and the financial community in the late 1980s."
Silverstein had built Seven World Trade Center in 1987 on property leased from the Port Authority, but the six-building World Trade Center complex remained under public control until Silverstein and Lowy obtained the 99-year lease on July 26, 2001. The new deal left Silverstein in control of 10.6 million squre feet of WTC office space, and gave Lowy control of the 427,000-square-foot retail mall in the WTC basement.
Return on Investment

Slightly more than a year after the attack, The New York Times reported that developer Larry Silverstein and investors Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre were close to recieving about $98 million from their down payment of $124 million toward the 99-year lease of the World Trade Center. Under the arrangment Silverstein would retain control over rebuilding office space at the site. [SIZE=-1]1 [/SIZE]
Lender GMAC Commercial Mortgage Corporation accused Silverstein of misallocating insurance awarded him for the 9/11/01 attack. In a complaint filed on Jan. 14, 2002 in the State Supreme Court in Manhattan the lender maintains Silverstein used some of the insurance money to pay lobbyists in Washington and Albany to limit his liability to the victims.
See this archive of articles about the insurance aspects of the World Trade Center destruction.
 
iblazethatkush

iblazethatkush

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pandabear said:
i just dont believe outlandish storys without valid evidence,


i mean ok so i could say this to benifit my political tendencies, so i could be like, hey there really was weapons of mass destruction and they were shipped out to syria and buried right before the war. saddam couldnt use it against us so he decided to store it or sell it to someone else.

now I could sit here and say this and it would benifit my argument, but guess what, i wouldnt cuz there is no evidence that this has happened, so if i continually insist that this is what really happened it would make me sound and look stupid. specially if i wasnt even the one who came up with the theory but was just regugitating someone elses theory. thats all i was sayin man
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So you think I look stupid? Thanks man. I take that as a compliment coming from somebody who thinks Bush is a good president and Giuliania is the best candidate, or even a good candidate for that matter. So once again thank you:mrgreen:
 
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