cheep & quick digital thermostat for heating or cooling

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named


This digital thermostat is sold for controlling heating appliances. It has a relay which can switch 5 amp resistive (heater) loads or 3 amp inductive (motor) loads at 240V AC.

While designed for controlling heaters, the thermostat's output relay has both normally open AND normally closed contacts. This is incredibly convenient for controlling grow room exhaust fans!

Upon grow room lighting causing the air temperature to rise to the set point, the relay opens (turns off) one of its 2 sets of contacts, those intended to be connected to a heater- but closes (turns on) the other set. This extra set can be used to directly switch an exhaust fan.

The downside is that these thermostats require 2x AAA batteries. Clever people might adapt a 3 volt plugpak transformer to eliminate the batteries.

I've just installed one of these in my clonebox; we'll see how long the batteries last. Temp control is fantastic so far- within 1 degree C of the setpoint.

You can get these thermostats by mail order from Jaycar in Australia ($AUD40.00). Very likely also available from other electronics supply houses overseas.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
no worries, VV.

All the other thermostats I found which could directly switch either a heating or cooling appliance load cost literally 4x as much as this little widget.

I tore mine apart today and soldered in the leads from a 3V power pak to get rid of the batteries.
 

VictorVIcious

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If our weather holds until the middle of next week I'll be taking my heater apart to see what I have to do to install a thermostat for it. As I mentioned in some one else's thread I just about have my 'Harvest every two weeks' set up, setup. I tried to post pics here that show what I have so far. Don't know if they will come through or not. Guess I'll see when I post this.
I also made a bud dryer. Right now I'm just moving air through until I have time to make and regulate a heat source. Just having a fan pull air through for now, and even that makes a big difference in the time required to dry. Thanx for all your help. VV:hump:
 

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Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Dynamite, VV. Your 2-week rotation op looks great!

Let me know if you run into hitches installing a thermostat in your heater.

The relay in the thermostat I've mentioned has got contacts rated at 5A for resistive loads. At a 120V line voltage, that's a 600 watt heating load. At 240V, it can switch 1200 watts. Either way, that's not a lot of watts for a heating appliance. If you intend on switching a heater with this thermostat, you may need to put a high current relay between the tstat and the heater load.

Funny you should mention the bud dryer. I'm rebuilding mine today. It will get one of these thermostats when I get a bit of dough. I look pretty pathetic working in the shop in a wheelchair but I'm getting it done.

Just pushing air through your box will certainly speed things up over hang drying. The air motion will also suppress mould. The heating element is most useful when ambient air humidity is high, above 50% or so, or when ambient air temps drop below about 24C/75F. Warming the intake air to 29C/84F speeds the drying process dramatically.
 

silk

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man, find me a distributor above the equator. sheesh...

you are an asset to the community!

Cheers!
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Thanks for the compliment, silk. :)

In North America, you might try one of the massive hdwe stores like Builders Square, Menards, Lowes, etc. Bet they have a thermostat similar to this one.
 

Lobo69

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Hey, first post...
First of all, I would like to thank Al for his very informative threads. I have learned much...
I have a question regarding wiring these thermostats for use with a 120 volt current.
Sorry if I sound like a noob(I am...lol), but how can they control a 120 volt cooling fan if they are powered by 3 volts?
I'm a little confused about what thermostats can be used for what voltages/applications. example: Can I wire a 240 volt heating thermostat to run my 120 volt cooling fan?...
Any help with this would be sooo much appreciated.
Thanks.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
A thermostat is essentially just a switch. The switching is done by use of a relay. A relay is a set of switch contacts which are operated by an electromagnet. The relay's electromagnet is operated by the thermostat's temp sensing circuitry.

The control circuitry in the thermostat may be operated by a couple of batteries, but the switch contacts are not connected to the batteries (or other voltage supply) for the control circuit. The batteries only operate the temp sensing circuitry, which operates the electromagnet in the relay.

The ebay listing says "This unit is compatible with low voltage systems for either gas, oil or electrical." This tells me that the switch contacts in the unit are rated for perhaps 24V, a common control voltage used in HVAC systems. I would not try to use this unit to switch a 120V device. I would not consider 120V to be 'low voltage.'

The thermostat I cited in the beginning of this thread has switch contacts rated for 240V @ 5A.
 
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GrowBigOrGrowHome

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Hey Al,

Great find!

Can you see a brand name or a model number or something on this? Or is it that Jaycar manufactures this one themselves?

Thanks.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hey Al,

Great find!

Can you see a brand name or a model number or something on this? Or is it that Jaycar manufactures this one themselves?

Thanks.
Handy little beggar.

The brand name is "Computime" model number is 098A.




I have also seen the same thermostat on a Romanian website under the brand name 'Computherm' also with model number 098A. Handy for the next time you're in Romania. ;)
 
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Lobo69

Active Member
Okay...
So the thermostat has to be for line voltage , correct?
Sorry I'm a little confused about wiring these.
Do I take apart the thermostat and re-wire it to use the other set of contacts on the relay? Or, do I connect the thermostat straight to the fan?
Could you please explain?
Thanks again.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Okay...
So the thermostat has to be for line voltage , correct?
yep

Do I take apart the thermostat and re-wire it to use the other set of contacts on the relay? Or, do I connect the thermostat straight to the fan?
Use the thermostat as you would use any switch.

Break either the line or neutral wire in the power lead going to the fan. Connect the thermostat's contacts at the break.

I like to wire thermostats into extension cords. Makes it very easy to replace the fan in future.






Just unplug the old fan and plug in a new one.
 
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Lobo69

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Awesome...Mine says it has a Triac Silent switching relay,
Would this matter? Do most thermostats have both sets of contacts? My model is a Honeywell digital non-programmable for baseboards and convectors. Its say 3000w @ 240v @ 12.5 amps.
What is the difference between this and your "reversing the thermostat logic"
thread.
I usually try to figure this stuff out myself but I don't wanna open the packaging until I'm sure...
Thanks very much for your help...much appreciated.
 

Lobo69

Active Member
I've opened the package...
I think I may have the wrong thermostat:cry:
The exact model is Honeywell RLV3100A
This thermostat cannot be used with the following:
-resistive load under 2A
-resistive load over 12 A
-systems driven by a contactor or a relay(inductive load)
-fan-forced heating systems
-central heating systems

Will this still work?
:confused:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Awesome...Mine says it has a Triac Silent switching relay, Would this matter?
Yep, unfortunately.

I've opened the package...
This thermostat cannot be used with the following:
-resistive load under 2A
And that's why. This thermostat uses a solid-state switching device known as a triac instead of relay contacts. A triac is essentially just a big transistor. They're used because they don't go KLIKK every time they switch. Downside is that to keep the current flowing properly in them, there's a minimum current rating. 2A @ 240V is 480W. Only the very largest blowers will come close to drawing that amount of power.

Will this still work?
:confused:
Sorry, no- it won't.

Swap it out for a unit with a relay. Chances are, your blower will draw 1A or less if you're on 240V.

When I discuss 'reversing the logic of a thermostat', I'm talking about making a thermostat intended for a heating appliance suitable for a cooling fan. A heating thermostat switches on (contacts close) when the temp falls below the setpoint. A cooling thermostat switches on (contacts close) when temps rise above the setpoint.

If for example, you have something in your junkbox like an old thermostat for a waterbed, it can be used to turn a relay on and off which can switch a fan motor. The relay you select from Ye Olde Electronics Junque Shoppe can have both normally open (NO) and normally closed (NC) or just NC contacts.

In practise, the heating thermostat's contacts will open above the setpoint, opposite of what you need for a cooling fan. Use the heating thermostat's contacts to switch a supply voltage to the coil of a SPST (single pole, single throw) NC relay. You can use DPST or 4PST relays as well, but you'll only need one pair of NC contacts. All you need is a pair of contacts that are connected when the relay coil is not energised.

You have to come up with some sort of power supply to operate the relay's coil. An old plugpak power supply or battery charger will do fine. Just match the supply voltage to the relay coil voltage.

The waterbed thermostat switches off at and above the setpoint, removing the voltage to the relay, so the relay's NC contacts will close. Use that set of NC contacts to switch your cooling fan. When the temp is below the setpoint, the heating thermostat's contacts will close, completing the circuit from the power supply to the relay coil, opening the NC contacts.

Seems complex, donit? :) It is, a bit. However, this is exactly what has allowed me to use an old waterbed thermostat to run my flowering area's exhaust system for the last 8 years or so.

That's why I like the little Computime thermostat so much. Makes the task cheap, simple and reliable. No external power supply nor wiring needed. Has both NC & NO contacts so it can work for heating or cooling. Bang, $40, done.
 
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Lobo69

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Thanks...I guess it's back to home depot...damn...thought it was too good of a deal for 29 bucks :cry:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
You know, I might have bought one, if I had not read the fine print. Not all triac switching devices have such a high minimum current- so it happens, the one you picked up was suited also for switching a 3000W resistive load (12.5A@240V). That's a big fucking triac.

There certainly are triacs around suited for switching low currents (200mA). The tstat you found was intended for direct control of a big resistive load and thus had a triac much gruntier than you need for a blower fan.
 

ganjagoddess

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Hey al, I want to set up a Thermostat for my room.

I want it to be a programmable kind so I can set what temp to run at night and during the day.

I would like it to be hooked to the air conditioner as well as a Heater.

The heater is around 1500 watts 12.5 amps on 120v
The air conditioner is 8000 btu. cant find the wattage/amps

I am not super savy on how to accomplish this, but I understand basic wiring directions, ect...

any chance I get some basic help on how to accomplish this.
 
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