Christians

smokermore

smokermore

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I just dont understand how anyone can still have so much faith and have no doubt.

I was raised christian, my whole family considers theirself christian, and i have a few hardcore christian family members. I just cant understand how they blindly believe in this so much, even when its pretty much been disproven.

I know alot of what the bible says is suppose to be in code, and i dont think everything in there is false, but there are some obvious things in there that i hear people talk about casually as if it were true, such as adam and eve. ive heard alot of people, including my family, say that we came from adam and eve, lol, well thats obviously not true. Noah's ark, doubt it. So many silly things, and yet, theres proof of evolution.

Also, who is to say the christian way is the right way? there are so many other riligions out there that dont seem as far fetched as christianity.

So why does the faith stay so strong? I'd like to hear from people who are christians or use to be christians. Please tell me your age too if you dont mind.
 
smokermore

smokermore

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I forgot to mention im 27, not that it matters. But what made me want to write this is theres these two kids across the hall from me write now (im at work) and there reading about there favorite christian people. She asked me if i liked billy graham, and im like who is that, and she said some chritian dude or w/e, and it made me start thinking, these people are younger than me and they too believe so strongly. I just want to go in there and ask them how they can believe this stuff! but im not gonna go there lol thats why i post it here xD
 
stumps

stumps

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lol Billy Graham was far from christian. More like world class con man. As are all tv preacher types.
 
smokermore

smokermore

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Well i wonder if the tv preachers do infact believe what they preach. If not then o...m...g... how evil haha
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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NevaSmokedOut said:
religion is what made this world so fucked up when faith and love (an a dutch blunt) is all ya need.
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It's not religion, it's the religious. The proof is in the pudding(the religions) If you verse yourself in the main religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, the Rastafarian movement; they all preach about love, lite and unity somewhere in each of them. It's the crazy extremists that blow certain text in them way out of proportion. In short, it's humanity. As with most things, we tend to ruin them.

I'm sure someone in this thread, if it gets big enough will go on to say that Islam is a horrible religion. What I will say to this is, have you even read a translated version of the Qur'an? I have, very peaceful and loving religion. It's the nutjobs that take it to extreme levels. Just like the FLDS, or Westboro Baptist Church. For example FLDS is a group that is known for sexual abuse months it's members. All in the name of Jesus, and the Westboro baptist church, claiming God hats Fags and Jews and everything else under the sun.

Extremists groups are what give religion a bad name.

As far as why there are so many different religions. If you look at each religion, you will notice they all have someone they pray to. I'm not going to list the names because that's what Google is for. Is it so far fetched to believe a Prime Creator(aka God) came down in various forums to spread love and light to different people across the earth? I'm not saying everything is true in every religion, I'm not naive. What I am saying is that they all share the core principles, love, light, unity.
 
jas6118

jas6118

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Just got this in my email thought it was pretty good.

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem. We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay. (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide)

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.


My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein
 
LightningMcGreen

LightningMcGreen

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You shouldn't have to invoke a higher power to be a good person...it's not that difficult of a task to do.

Natural disasters will happen reguardless of whether or not we're pushing religion out, or pulling it in. Weather and natural catastrophes are perpetual, it's how the earth works...science can outline each and every one, and I do believe if it weren't for science, we wouldn't have the early warnings to help with the damage control.

As for the murders, thefts, and all the other bad sides of mankind...that's human nature, not any sort of divine repercussion.
 
trichlone fiend

trichlone fiend

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...crackerboy, your sig is on point.

...I've never understood how they put a drug dealer's actions and a pedophile's actions in the same category of felony....why, a pedophile isn't even a criminal! They give the word criminal a bad name.... Their sick fucks, and just like a mad dog, we should take them out back and shot them in their fucking brain. No judge, no jury...straight to exacution. Put it like this....no matter what the police do to me, they will never make me change my mind on how I feel about tit's and ass, that's what I love, and no matter how long they were to keep me away from women, I'd always dream of some huge tits, and a phat ass! ....in a pedophile's situation, we will never be able to stop their sick thoughts...so, load the 45....POP, POP, POP, POP, POP.............POP! (just to make sure) ;)
 
crackerboy

crackerboy

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trichlone fiend said:
...crackerboy, your sig is on point.

...I've never understood how they put a drug dealer's actions and a pedophile's actions in the same category of felony....why, a pedophile isn't even a criminal! They give the word criminal a bad name.... Their sick fucks, and just like a mad dog, we should take them out back and shot them in their fucking brain. No judge, no jury...straight to exacution. Put it like this....no matter what the police do to me, they will never make me change my mind on how I feel about tit's and ass, that's what I love, and no matter how long they were to keep me away from women, I'd always dream of some huge tits, and a phat ass! ....in a pedophile's situation, we will never be able to stop their sick thoughts...so, load the 45....POP, POP, POP, POP, POP.............POP! (just to make sure) ;)
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yeah it just doesn't make any sense. When I think about our justice system I picture the scales of justice. But when you look at the severity of the crimes, there is definitely no balance in the sentencing. I just can't see the justification of how a child molester gets less time than some dude with a pound of weed.
 
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Dirty Harry

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smokermore said:
I just dont understand how anyone can still have so much faith and have no doubt...
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As I Christian, I will just say this because I don't want to argue one side or the other...
A sky diver has faith that his main chute or reserve chute will open before he/she hits the ground. Due to that, they jump.
For the majority, the chutes open and life is good. Yes, sometimes the chute fails and bad things happen.
That being said, what sky diver in their right mind would jump if that had doubts that the cute would open?
IMHO, life would not be as enjoyable if I believed this is all there is. A lot of people have crappy a life and the faith that things will get better keeps them going.
It's OK not to believe, but for those who do, it's their right.
And I am 42 if that matters
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Dirty Harry said:
As I Christian, I will just say this because I don't want to argue one side or the other...
A sky diver has faith that his main chute or reserve chute will open before he/she hits the ground. Due to that, they jump.
For the majority, the chutes open and life is good. Yes, sometimes the chute fails and bad things happen.
That being said, what sky diver in their right mind would jump if that had doubts that the cute would open?
IMHO, life would not be as enjoyable if I believed this is all there is. A lot of people have crappy a life and the faith that things will get better keeps them going.
It's OK not to believe, but for those who do, it's their right.
And I am 42 if that matters
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Thank you for sharing that. I really have to point out though that the use of the word faith in this case is a clear equivocation. Religious faith is a different concept and has a different definition than faith like you describe which is actually more appropriately called confidence. I would never put faith into a parachute but I would have confidence if I inspect it and pack it properly. Shifting definitions like this seems to be a popular debate tactic but it is really a formal fallacy.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Dirty Harry said:
As I Christian, I will just say this because I don't want to argue one side or the other...
A sky diver has faith that his main chute or reserve chute will open before he/she hits the ground. Due to that, they jump.
For the majority, the chutes open and life is good. Yes, sometimes the chute fails and bad things happen.
That being said, what sky diver in their right mind would jump if that had doubts that the cute would open?
IMHO, life would not be as enjoyable if I believed this is all there is. A lot of people have crappy a life and the faith that things will get better keeps them going.
It's OK not to believe, but for those who do, it's their right.
And I am 42 if that matters
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OK, look, I understand your perspective. Eternal paradise. I get it, on the surface, it seems awesome. But there are too many paradox's that go along with any kind of Utopian civilization. It's simply impossible, even in a place like Heaven, because everybody doesn't have the exact same interests, beliefs or moral codes, so it is inevitable that conflict will arise. Look at Earth as a perfect example. The only way this is possible is for God to be a dictator, and that right there would contradict a huge percentage of current Christians morals and beliefs. Go ask any fundamentalist Christian what kind of government/society they'd prefer to live under, a democratic republic or a dictatorship. Furthermore, if we're basing Gods judgment off of his actions in the Bible, there goes the remaining percentage of believers... I'm pretty sure they'd have an issue with infanticide, genocide, torture, murder, slavery...

It is OK to believe, but it's NOT OK to start making rules and laws up or shape society in the way you think your god wants it to be.

Honest question; If you could, would you want to exist, in your current form, forever? (think hard about that)
 
undertheice

undertheice

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smokermore said:
I just don't understand how anyone can still have so much faith and have no doubt.
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that's because faith is not something to be understood. those who try to defend religion with reason are fools, as are those who claim that reason can disprove it. attempting to define any of its aspects through human means is futile. its essence is divine, beyond human understanding by definition, as is the mind of the creator at its core.

faith begins with the desire for answers beyond the mundane, something that no amount of science can provide. there is nothing inherently evil about faith. it has never caused a single death, except maybe through excessive zeal. it has been used as an excuse, as a rallying point and as the mask that evil and ignorance may hide behind, but this is just the nature of humanity using any means to exert itself.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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undertheice said:
that's because faith is not something to be understood. those who try to defend religion with reason are fools, as are those who claim that reason can disprove it. attempting to define any of its aspects through human means is futile. its essence is divine, beyond human understanding by definition, as is the mind of the creator at its core.

faith begins with the desire for answers beyond the mundane, something that no amount of science can provide. there is nothing inherently evil about faith. it has never caused a single death, except maybe through excessive zeal. it has been used as an excuse, as a rallying point and as the mask that evil and ignorance may hide behind, but this is just the nature of humanity using any means to exert itself.
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The desire to know answers is noble but faith cannot provide the answers that most people seek as faith only creates the illusion of these things being answered. Claiming that no amount of science can provide an answer to these questions is only partially correct. Although we know that nothing can ever be 'proven' in science by it's very nature, we gain levels of confidence as we learn more. The lack of any empirical evidence of a spirit world, souls, etc. make the idea of a consciousness existing beyond death becomes more and more improbable the more that we look. If, for example, science finds the Theory of Everything, explaining the existence of all particles and even the ones that we haven't discovered yet may be the final nail in the coffin or a new enlightenment if we find a new force and associated particle. However, if all forces become accounted for and we get a simple equation that puts it all together, I believe the simplicity and order make the idea of a complex creator a step backwards in our understanding. It actually creates more questions than it answers. God cannot be disproved but neither can anything magic that exists outside of time and space but the number of gaps in our knowledge that tend to be filled by this being becomes smaller every day.
 
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