Civil Forfeiture - Holy Fuck

Thread starter TakeTheTicket
Start date Oct 7, 2014

TakeTheTicket

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#1

Have you guys heard of Civil Forfeiture? I knew that the cops could take your car and house if you were convicted of certain crimes, but this is fucking nuts. No conviction or charge is necessary, they just rob you... legally.

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schuylaar

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#2

hmmmmmmm..

this is a 16 minute commitment..have something else in the 3-5 minute range?..maybe bullet points? :wink:

:wink:

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NoDrama

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#3

Basically cop pulls you over for speeding and searches you and car, you were on your way to buy a used car with cash, $8,000 worth to be exact. Cop suspects its money for drugs. cop confiscates money and gets to keep it. If you want it back you need to hire a $10,000 lawyer to file a suit and then wait around for the justice system to get to it, then a trial and yada yada yada.

Cops get to keep it without any evidence whatsoever, just the mere suspicion it "might" be used to buy drugs is all they need to take it.And by taking it and keeping it, I mean they get to spend it on stuff for the police. Nice new military armored vehicles, water cannons, M-4 assault rifles etc etc etc and the big black boots for stepping on your face, paid for by YOU.

Civil forfeiture.

A cop could pull you over and say the $60 in your wallet was for drugs and keep it.

Totally legal for police to do this, some locales its all they do, and they make millions.

Watch the video, John Oliver is funny.

greenlikemoney

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#4

[QUOTE="NoDrama, post: 10952679, member: 16497] I mean they get to spend it on stuff for the police. Nice new military armored vehicles, water cannons, M-4 assault rifles etc etc etc and the big black boots for stepping on your face, paid for by YOU.[/QUOTE]

Nope, they get that shit for free from the military/govt as "retired equipment", which of course the military/govt used tax dollars to buy. The more we pay the more militant they get. Don't pay? Go to jail. Pay? Go to jail.

Winter Woman

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#5

schuylaar said:
hmmmmmmm..

this is a 16 minute commitment..have something else in the 3-5 minute range?..maybe bullet points?

Maybe he could provide - twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
And arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each One was to be used as evidence against us.

Sorry I got carried away.

Prop. 2 - November 4th!

TakeTheTicket

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#6

- The police can take your house
- The police can take your car
- The police can take your money
- The police can take your.. anything

- You don't have to be charged with a crime
- You don't have to be convicted of a crime
- YOU are not under suspicion
- YOUR PROPERTY is under suspicion and being charged

- John Oliver is funny and does a great job of explaining the issue
- WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO ITS FUNNY AND INFORMATIVE

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schuylaar

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#7

TakeTheTicket said:
- The police can take your house
- The police can take your car
- The police can take your money
- The police can take your.. anything

- You don't have to be charged with a crime
- You don't have to be convicted of a crime
- YOU are not under suspicion
- YOUR PROPERTY is under suspicion and being charged

- John Oliver is funny and does a great job of explaining the issue
- WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO ITS FUNNY AND INFORMATIVE

but don't they need some sort of paper?

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schuylaar

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#8

NoDrama said:
Basically cop pulls you over for speeding and searches you and car, you were on your way to buy a used car with cash, $8,000 worth to be exact. Cop suspects its money for drugs. cop confiscates money and gets to keep it. If you want it back you need to hire a $10,000 lawyer to file a suit and then wait around for the justice system to get to it, then a trial and yada yada yada.

Cops get to keep it without any evidence whatsoever, just the mere suspicion it "might" be used to buy drugs is all they need to take it.And by taking it and keeping it, I mean they get to spend it on stuff for the police. Nice new military armored vehicles, water cannons, M-4 assault rifles etc etc etc and the big black boots for stepping on your face, paid for by YOU.

Civil forfeiture.

A cop could pull you over and say the $60 in your wallet was for drugs and keep it.

Totally legal for police to do this, some locales its all they do, and they make millions.

Watch the video, John Oliver is funny.

the police can't just take your things.

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schuylaar

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#9

Winter Woman said:
Maybe he could provide - twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
And arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each One was to be used as evidence against us.

Sorry I got carried away.

Prop. 2 - November 4th!

#YESON2

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Wilksey

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#10

TakeTheTicket said:
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- John Oliver is funny and does a great job of explaining the issue
- WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO ITS FUNNY AND INFORMATIVE

Sorry dude.

As soon as I hear the British accent, my mind shuts, as I have no desire to listen to anybody from a land that STILL has a "queen" in 2014.

TakeTheTicket

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#11

schuylaar said:
the police can't just take your things.

Apparently they can, and it's legal. Watch the video.

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schuylaar

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#12

TakeTheTicket said:
Apparently they can, and it's legal. Watch the video.

1. it sounds like conspiracy theory
2. if they can do it, why don't they do it to everyone?
3. i can debate this without watching

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schuylaar

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#13

NoDrama said:
Basically cop pulls you over for speeding and searches you and car, you were on your way to buy a used car with cash, $8,000 worth to be exact. Cop suspects its money for drugs. cop confiscates money and gets to keep it. If you want it back you need to hire a $10,000 lawyer to file a suit and then wait around for the justice system to get to it, then a trial and yada yada yada.

Cops get to keep it without any evidence whatsoever, just the mere suspicion it "might" be used to buy drugs is all they need to take it.And by taking it and keeping it, I mean they get to spend it on stuff for the police. Nice new military armored vehicles, water cannons, M-4 assault rifles etc etc etc and the big black boots for stepping on your face, paid for by YOU.

Civil forfeiture.

A cop could pull you over and say the $60 in your wallet was for drugs and keep it.

Totally legal for police to do this, some locales its all they do, and they make millions.

Watch the video, John Oliver is funny.

all you have to do is show the paperwork to prove the sale of an auto.

Diabolical666

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#14

Anything worth a fuck that you own is titled or registered to the state you live in. The state owns your shit, they can take it if they want it and banks can take your savings accounts too.

@schuylaar they takes what they wants, and what they dont wants they destroy

TakeTheTicket

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#15

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schuylaar said:
1. it sounds like conspiracy theory
2. if they can do it, why don't they do it to everyone?
3. i can debate this without watching

They do it to LOTS of people. This isn't some random guy on youtube, this is an HBO show that has been put on youtube by the producers. This is law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_forfeiture#United_States

TakeTheTicket

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#16

schuylaar said:
all you have to do is show the paperwork to prove the sale of an auto.

The guy did show that paperwork, the cop didn't give a fuck. The cop's report omitted the guy stating that he was on his way to buy a car.

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NoDrama

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#17

schuylaar said:
the police can't just take your things.

https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeiture

"Every year, federal and state law enforcement agents seize millions of dollars from civilians during traffic stops, simply by asserting that they believe the money is connected to some illegal activity and without ever pursuing criminal charges. Under federal law and the laws of most states, they are entitled to keep most (and sometimes all) of the money and property they seize."

SmokeyDan

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#18

I sold a house to a guy one time.

He brought over 200k of certified checks to the closing.

We had to fill out a lot of paperwork for the federal government because the guy paid cash. Insane.

UncleBuck

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#19

SmokeyDan said:
i̶ ̶s̶o̶l̶d̶ my dad sold a house to a guy one time.

He brought over 200k of certified checks to the closing.

w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ they had to fill out a lot of paperwork for the federal government because the guy paid cash. Insane.

fixed it, bugnbushy.

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schuylaar

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#20

UncleBuck said:
fixed it, bugnbushy.

:lol:

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