Clawing leaf tips help !!!

Ajay86 · Apr 6, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Good to know jtrizzy. I grow hydro and have grown in soil. Am going to do a few grows in coco. The thing that put me off was thinking you have to water once or twice a day!? But i like the idea of no res changes, running noisey air pumps, replacing air stones, pumps etc. Hated soil as growth was slow. But from what ive seen coco is nearly an in between. Do you recommend adding perlite to the coco jtrizzy? And at whay ratio? Nothing wrong with your plants man. They look good!![/

Hydro4life said:

Its okay to use calmag (if you need it) but be careful not to overdo it. Calmag lifts your ppm and contains off memory an NPK ratio of 1-0-0 so will bump your nitrogen strength up. You need nitrogen pretty well through your whole grow but the ratio of NPK should change to match your plants feeding requirements at different stages of development. My personal opinion is that you may be using a grow nutrient and not a bloom (for flower) nutrient. Or adding something with a high nitrogen content? Can you see how dark green your leaves are? Also that curling down of the tips of the leaves? The sugar leaves are very skinny. All signs of too much nitrogen. You dont have any leaf tip burn so id say your ppm (nute strength) is not too high. Just too much nitrogen. Im not a coco grower so i have to be careful not to give you bad advice for growing in coco. (Above applies to using any medium) but you need to cut nitrogen right back for now, let the plant use the excess nitrogen in leaves. The leaves will start to look better and you want the leaves to lighten. Ive grown in soil and if it was soil id say youve over watered for a while also, those roots would need oxygen, Not sure with coco though as ive been told not to let the medium dry out?? I know some people mix perlite with their coco 60/40 something like that..? I presume it would be for this reason to help the roots get oxygen. Maybe one of the coco growers here could clarify this?

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Thanks hydrolife how would I cut back nitrogen sorry to ask silly shit just not got much knowledge anbiut growing. Only smoking hahaha

coreywebster · Apr 6, 2019

How often do you change your res Ajay?

Where’sthecurve · Apr 6, 2019

Looks at first pick... skips three pages of comments... yep it’s over watered. Now you know you’ve been overwatering watch how nice your next crop turns out. Good luck you’ll still have some good smoke.

jtrizzy · Apr 6, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Good to know jtrizzy. I grow hydro and have grown in soil. Am going to do a few grows in coco. The thing that put me off was thinking you have to water once or twice a day!? But i like the idea of no res changes, running noisey air pumps, replacing air stones, pumps etc. Hated soil as growth was slow. But from what ive seen coco is nearly an in between. Do you recommend adding perlite to the coco jtrizzy? And at whay ratio? Nothing wrong with your plants man. They look good!!

I will Never understand why people treat coco like hydro. Usually because they saw it on YouTube so it has to be right. It’s soil to me and it’s all the same shit. Added benefit of coco is it’s more forgiving to over watering. Also who the fuck wants to be in their garden everyday watering, let alone 3 times a day lol. Fuck that lol auto watering or not screw that. Calmag is a must in coco. Calmag is a must in a healthy garden. I add a shit ton every watering usually 6-8mls a gallon.

Hydro4life · Apr 6, 2019

jtrizzy said:
I will Never understand why people treat coco like hydro. Usually because they saw it on YouTube so it has to be right. It’s soil to me and it’s all the same shit. Added benefit of coco is it’s more forgiving to over watering. Also who the fuck wants to be in their garden everyday watering, let alone 3 times a day lol. Fuck that lol auto watering or not screw that. Calmag is a must in coco. Calmag is a must in a healthy garden. I add a shit ton every watering usually 6-8mls a gallon.

More good info jtrizzy! Do you find coco veges faster than in soil? Ive got a block of coco and am going to give it a shot soon. What ratio of coco to perlite do you roughly use??

CannaCountry · Apr 7, 2019

Hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, which is a method of growing plants without soil by using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.[1]Terrestrial plants may be grown with only their roots exposed to the mineral solution, or the roots may be supported by an inert medium, such as perlite or gravel.

Coco is inert...as is perlite. Treat your coco like a soil grow and expect soil results. Treat your coco like a hydro grow, and you'll see a new perspective.

Good luck friend.

Hydro4life · Apr 7, 2019

CannaCountry said:
Hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, which is a method of growing plants without soil by using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.[1]Terrestrial plants may be grown with only their roots exposed to the mineral solution, or the roots may be supported by an inert medium, such as perlite or gravel.

Coco is inert...as is perlite. Treat your coco like a soil grow and expect soil results. Treat your coco like a hydro grow, and you'll see a new perspective.

Good luck friend.

Thank you cannacountry!! I always thought coco was a type of hydro as it is a soiless medium. Makes sense to me. Look at flood and drain, same concept i imagine except the coco holds water for a while? Ive heard some growers feed at a 5.8 ph with no deficiency issues? Have you ever tried this as i have a heap of ph perfect. And dont want to buy more nutes if i dont have to...
Thanks in advance man!!

macsnax · Apr 7, 2019

The real thing that separates coco from soil is the cations messing up your feed if it dries out. And of course you feed more often, leading to faster growth. I've been using coco for about 6 months. Came from soil and an under current system. It's the sweet spot for me. Not as fast of growth as the UC, but much faster than soil.

Hydro4life · Apr 7, 2019

macsnax said:
The real thing that separated coco from soil is the cations messing up your feed if it does out. And of course you feed more often, leading to faster growth. I've been using coco for about 6 months. Came from soil and an under current system. It's the sweet spot for me. Not as fast of growth as the UC, but much faster than soil.

Thanks Macsnax! When you said feed more often, is my thinking on track where if you add more perlite it will dry faster hence having to feed/water more? Obviously the plant will only drink what it needs to, and there would have to be a balance to reduce labour requirements. But would adding perlite reduce a bottleneck so to speak, where your potentially giving the plant as much water/nutes as it needs without the roots having to search for it like in soil?? Im a DWC grower. Have done quite a few grows in soil, but never coco. Cheers!!

DjSuperman · Apr 7, 2019

Ajay86 said:
I’ve uploaded a few an a few of another strain in the same space but that one seems to be fine as you can see..!!! Really confused as It’s my first

That thing looks so sad.
I think it's not getting enough oxygen.
You might be over-watering it.
Let it dry out completely before watering. But do not forget to water or it will burn up to a crisp under those grow lights.
Happened to me before.

You could probably stick an air stone in it to try to give it more oxygen. I haven't tried it in soil before tho...

macsnax · Apr 7, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Thanks Macsnax! When you said feed more often, is my thinking on track where if you add more perlite it will dry faster hence having to feed/water more? Obviously the plant will only drink what it needs to, and there would have to be a balance to reduce labour requirements. But would adding perlite reduce a bottleneck so to speak, where your potentially giving the plant as much water/nutes as it needs without the roots having to search for it like in soil?? Im a DWC grower. Have done quite a few grows in soil, but never coco. Cheers!!

Yup more perlite = feed more often as it dries out quicker. I let some plants veg too long recently, wasn't ready for them. They were about 50" in half gallon pots, if they dried out some they would to tip over, lol. But what you can do in a similar situation, big plant little pot. Is get the 8" tall/deep plant saucers. Feed from the top until runoff, the plant will suck up the runoff and want more. So I come back about 30 min later and feed the deep saucer, it's like a wick sucks it right up. I actually just transplanted them this morning, wish I took pics. But there was hardly any roots growing out the bottom..... So yes you can do smaller pots if you feed accordingly. Blumats are an even better option.

DjSuperman · Apr 7, 2019

Have you seen my setup?
I have an automatic watering pot that I got for like 2 dollars on Amazon.
It's never really over-watered, but then it's never really under-watered. The wick at the bottom pulls up more water to the soil as it dries out.

macsnax · Apr 7, 2019

DjSuperman said:
Have you seen my setup?
I have an automatic watering pot that I got for like 2 dollars on Amazon.
It's never really over-watered, but then it's never really under-watered. The wick at the bottom pulls up more water to the soil as it dries out.

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Nice man. I'm moving soon and everything is getting a custom designed blumat system. After that I'll be damn close to 100% automated.

DjSuperman · Apr 7, 2019

macsnax said:
Nice man. I'm moving soon and everything is getting a custom designed blumat system. After that I'll be damn close to 100% automated.

Drip Irrigation looks pretty cool. I have been thinking about trying that.

Ajay86 · Apr 7, 2019

coreywebster said:
How often do you change your res Ajay?

Only when it gets low to be honest think everyone was right it’s overwatering I’ve let them dry out for 24 hours then put on 1x 15 min feed a day an there a little more perked

Ajay86 · Apr 7, 2019

DjSuperman said:
Have you seen my setup?
I have an automatic watering pot that I got for like 2 dollars on Amazon.
It's never really over-watered, but then it's never really under-watered. The wick at the bottom pulls up more water to the soil as it dries out.
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Nice bro

DjSuperman · Apr 7, 2019

Hydro4life said:
More good info jtrizzy! Do you find coco veges faster than in soil? Ive got a block of coco and am going to give it a shot soon. What ratio of coco to perlite do you roughly use??

Coco sucks.
I go with organic super soil.
Like Miracle-Gro Nature's Care Organic Potting Mix.
It's pretty similar to Ocean Forest soil but a lot cheaper.
The only thing Nature's Care is missing is the bat guano.
And Nature's Care is certified organic by OMRI.
And I don't even see an OMRI tag on Fox Farms soil at all....
Companies proudly display that OMRI tag to let everyone know that it is organic for real.

CannaCountry · Apr 8, 2019

Hydro4life said:
Thank you cannacountry!! I always thought coco was a type of hydro as it is a soiless medium. Makes sense to me. Look at flood and drain, same concept i imagine except the coco holds water for a while? Ive heard some growers feed at a 5.8 ph with no deficiency issues? Have you ever tried this as i have a heap of ph perfect. And dont want to buy more nutes if i dont have to...
Thanks in advance man!!

Yes, I feed at a pH of 5.8 to start...I use a reservoir which holds about 8 gallons of feed. The feed lasts about 4 days...over this period the ending pH will be @ 6.1, then I change out the reservoir, clean it and add new feed. This seems to work well for me and allows the plants a little bit of a range to take up nutrients. If I run things this way, I don't generally encounter deficiencies, but one has to remember some plants just want more of something and so sometimes deficiencies occur and have to be addressed, but in a general sense, I don't encounter issues. Now if I feed lower than 5.8....say 5.6...yeah, one of the first deficiencies I'll get is a shortage of Mg...so there is some balancing to it all...but the idea works and once you're dialed in it's really a no brainer. Good luck.

Ajay86 · Apr 8, 2019

DjSuperman said:
That thing looks so sad.
I think it's not getting enough oxygen.
You might be over-watering it.
Let it dry out completely before watering. But do not forget to water or it will burn up to a crisp under those grow lights.
Happened to me before.

You could probably stick an air stone in it to try to give it more oxygen. I haven't tried it in soil before tho...

I do have an air stone in... since they’ve dried out an are on one feed a day now the seem a little better !!! Big learning curve for next time tho thanks bro

Hydro4life · Apr 8, 2019

CannaCountry said:
Yes, I feed at a pH of 5.8 to start...I use a reservoir which holds about 8 gallons of feed. The feed lasts about 4 days...over this period the ending pH will be @ 6.1, then I change out the reservoir, clean it and add new feed. This seems to work well for me and allows the plants a little bit of a range to take up nutrients. If I run things this way, I don't generally encounter deficiencies, but one has to remember some plants just want more of something and so sometimes deficiencies occur and have to be addressed, but in a general sense, I don't encounter issues. Now if I feed lower than 5.8....say 5.6...yeah, one of the first deficiencies I'll get is a shortage of Mg...so there is some balancing to it all...but the idea works and once you're dialed in it's really a no brainer. Good luck.

Awesome. Thats given me some confidence!! I know ill be fine, just had to know for sure on a few things that ive found here, before i rush in like a bull in a china shop then be posting on the newbie section "whats wrong with my plant" haha.
Thanks everyone for ya help!

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