click it or ticket

do you think people who don't wear seat belts should be ticketed?

  • yes

    Votes: 16 31.4%

  • no

    Votes: 35 68.6%

  • i don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    51
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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cannabineer said:
Sound advice.
I am more inclined to trust the Mythbusters than a few people on RIU whom I'll never know offscreen. That's just me I guess.
As for that link ... from where did it come? The url is remarkably sanitized, prossibly to obscure its tin-hat origins. You can easily&always cherrypick marvelously "scientific"-sounding copypasta to support any conclusion at all, including obvious malarkey; that is one of the dubious glories of the Internet. Jmo. It's as almost-amusing as the magnificently unsupported FACT posted by someone else about seatbelts doing more harm than good.

I'm not here to riun anyone's fun, and I certainly don't imagine I'll convince anyone whose mind is already made up and never mind the quality of the "facts" required to sustain that opinion. With freedom comes responsibility - including, perhaps starring every adult citizen's responsibility to winnow the BS from the constant stream of True Fact sent our way by the information revolution. Again obviously jmo. cn

Unfamiliar with the ad campaign, so no opinion.
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Im glad it's just your opinion and yes just your opinion and of course just your opinion, and lastly, just your opinion. :) Did you think to mention it was just your opinion? Im beginning to think you don't realize that opinions are not very useful in a debate, especially a serious one. lol

Here.
http://oscar.virginia.edu/researchnews/x13886.xml

Research by an educational institution. :) You will never know the 'Mythbusters' offscreen so why trust a commercial industries dog and pony show over hard working people you've had the chance to know more?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Im glad it's just your opinion and yes just your opinion and of course just your opinion, and lastly, just your opinion. :) Did you think to mention it was just your opinion? Im beginning to think you don't realize that opinions are not very useful in a debate, especially a serious one. lol

Here.
http://oscar.virginia.edu/researchnews/x13886.xml

Research by an educational institution. :) You will never know the 'Mythbusters' offscreen so why trust a commercial industries dog and pony show over hard working people you've had the chance to know more?
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Research by an educational institution? You found a link on the UVA website that took me to an article by a free-lance automotive journalist who submitted an article to a Canadian newspaper after interviewing someone who works for Ford.
What the article said (and I do not challenge this) is that seat belts can be improved, and that there is a danger of children and others of small stature "submarining" under the lap belt. How you went from that to

FACT: Seatbelts cause more harm then they prevent.
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is not clear to me.

Of course I will label my opinion as such. It would run counter to my ethics to present subjective opinion as objective fact, even on a forum as laid-back as T&T. Regarding their utility in a debate ... touche there. As soon as you present some checkable facts yourself (prefacing a declarative and preposterous claim with FACT: won't do, I'm afraid) we can have a substantive discussion. Otherwise, we're doing no more than arguing about the opinions of stoners whiling away a saturday afternoon at the keyboard.

As for the Mythbusters, they have put themselves and their methods "out there" for public scrutiny, and they haven't been afraid to televise retractions or modifications when new and inconvenient facts presented themselves. They've earned some trust from me. cn
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Dude, would you rather have your sternum crushed by your seatbelt or go flying though the windshield via ejection?

That's a no brainer for me personally..
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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LOL I did not see a link. So once again your conclusions hold as much water as you believe mine to. I just found a webpage of the Educational institutes, which attested to the stated fact. I said no more than that, and that is what you have there. Said webpage, linked to ANOTHER webpage, that also attested to the fact. :) I'm not fetching references when it serves little purpose, and you have none to counter. Excluding Mythbusters of course, who have stirred great controversy in supposedly 'busting' 'myths' which were later tested to be factual.

FACT: Polar bears are notoriously misinformed.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Padawanbater2 said:
Dude, would you rather have your sternum crushed by your seatbelt or go flying though the windshield via ejection?

That's a no brainer for me personally..
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I love people and their unyielding desire to state their unsolicited personal choices. x) I would rather not get in a crash, and if looks that one is avoidable, avoid my presence in the crash zone. I.E., RUN! I'm not going to have my seat belt on in the first place, and I'm not staying in that hurling contraption of doom. It's going to end badly no matter what, but I'm not sticking around sitting there like a chicken staring up in thunderstorm. :p
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The Cryptkeeper said:
I would rather not get in a crash, and if looks that one is avoidable, avoid my presence in the crash zone. I.E., RUN!
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Accidents happen to everyone regardless of how careful you are.

The Cryptkeeper said:
I'm not going to have my seat belt on in the first place, and I'm not staying in that hurling contraption of doom. It's going to end badly no matter what, but I'm not sticking around sitting there like a chicken staring up in thunderstorm. :p
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It sounds like you think real life is just like the movies or something. As if you could dive out of your car the moment before impact completely unscathed like you're John McClain.. The seatbelt is there to protect you from the initial impact of the collision and to keep you from flying out of the vehicle, without it, your chances of surviving are dramatically decreased. That's why the law exists, because this stuff is scientifically proven. They couldn't just pass a law because they think it might help out in saving your life.

Right after impact, I'm taking my seatbelt off and climbing out of the accident.

Sorry for providing my unsolicited personal choice again. :shock:
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Padawanbater2 said:
Accidents happen to everyone regardless of how careful you are.



It sounds like you think real life is just like the movies or something. As if you could dive out of your car the moment before impact completely unscathed like you're John McClain.. The seatbelt is there to protect you from the initial impact of the collision and to keep you from flying out of the vehicle, without it, your chances of surviving are dramatically decreased. That's why the law exists, because this stuff is scientifically proven. They couldn't just pass a law because they think it might help out in saving your life.

Right after impact, I'm taking my seatbelt off and climbing out of the accident.

Sorry for providing my unsolicited personal choice again. :shock:
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You don't read well. It's really funny when people give their opinions as if it matters to the person. :) Nice chuckle, some people care. Not me. But it's nice that some people do.

I got an especially good chuckle at the John Mcclane quip. Damn right. I'm a fucking John McClane and Frank Martin hybrid, PLUS some. So don't lecture me a Seatbelts K? It's going to take more than a 2 ton careening Volvo to take me out. :)
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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What would make you think I posted a reply in the hopes it would matter to you?

I was just countering ignorance.
 
smokinheavy79

smokinheavy79

New Member
I gotta question... What about motorcycles? No seatbelt, or even the safety of a car around you...why aren't they just outlawed all together?
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Padawanbater2 said:
What would make you think I posted a reply in the hopes it would matter to you?

I was just countering ignorance.
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Sorry I was dealing with Schizoaffective who hasn't taken any meds. Pretty distracting.

I didn't say you did it in the hopes it would matter, I said "AS IF" it would matter. A bit off a difference! :)

What's your angle Padawan. ;) What you trying to do here.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I'm pretty stoned right now but from what I remember earlier I thought you or someone else said it's a fact that not wearing a seatbelt is safer than wearing one, that's not a fact at all, it's safer to wear a seatbelt. If someone took that advice and didn't put their seatbelt on because of it, they'd be more likely to die in a car accident. The more you know, right?
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'm pretty stoned right now but from what I remember earlier I thought you or someone else said it's a fact that not wearing a seatbelt is safer than wearing one, that's not a fact at all, it's safer to wear a seatbelt. If someone took that advice and didn't put their seatbelt on because of it, they'd be more likely to die in a car accident. The more you know, right?
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How noble. lol I did not say that it is safer to not have a seatbelt on. :) So aim your persecuting sword a few degrees to the left. ;)
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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The Cryptkeeper said:
My cousin was killed in a relatively non-lethal collision BECAUSE she was wearing her seatbelt. She was big girl. A bit obese. And the seatbelt crushed her sternum, and ended up suffocating her to death. Rather unpleasant.


FACT: Seatbelts cause more harm then they prevent.
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Seatbelts cause more harm than they prevent?
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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I do not think ppl add in the whole # of instances when a seatbelt stops a human from being pulverized, so when saying "it caused dmg" maybe so.. but who is to say it did not prevent even worse, such as being ejected. >.<
Padawanbater2 said:
Seatbelts cause more harm than they prevent?
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