Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 28.0%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 41 26.1%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 72 45.9%
  • Total voters
    157
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I'm pretty sure a compact cheap EV would sell very well, the average life of the US vehicle fleet has been increasing and is now at 12 years, better more expensive cars and poorer people are why. Something that could charge to 50 miles range with and internal 120V charger overnight or that can be quick charged would sell well IMO. The right design could be the "Model T" of EVs, if it is cheap enough and fits consumer needs.

I wouldn't buy a Tesla, but if they pull it off it will cause other car makers to react with similar cheap cars.

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Tesla Model 2 design is finalized as are production line permits for its cheapest electric car

The purported mass market Model 2 that Tesla is preparing to build at its new Gigafactory in Mexico will be the 'best' and most 'affordable' electric vehicle there is, according to the governor of Nuevo León, Samuel Alejandro García Sepúlveda. The state has now given all the permits that Tesla...
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this is one of the few things that muck does that is actually beneficial, he drives competition among automakers, which ends up benefiting buyers.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
this is one of the few things that muck does that is actually beneficial, he drives competition among automakers, which ends up benefiting buyers.
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From what I've seen, there should be an awful lot of new battery factories built and operating over the next 5 years and that has to affect the price with such volume production compared to what we produce now. Also, most of these places are dealing with novel chemistries and improvements are being constantly made. So, over the next decade we should see battery prices steadily drop with volume production, competition and new improved designs. Even if a new kind of cell cost twice as much, if it stores 6 times more energy it will be 3 times cheaper, improvements in capacity and longevity reduce costs too, a long life battery pack will have a high trade in value, if it lives 4 or 5 times longer than the EV it was powering!
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
From what I've seen, there should be an awful lot of new battery factories built and operating over the next 5 years and that has to affect the price with such volume production compared to what we produce now. Also, most of these places are dealing with novel chemistries and improvements are being constantly made. So, over the next decade we should see battery prices steadily drop with volume production, competition and new improved designs. Even if a new kind of cell cost twice as much, if it stores 6 times more energy it will be 3 times cheaper, improvements in capacity and longevity reduce costs too, a long life battery pack will have a high trade in value, if it lives 4 or 5 times longer than the EV it was powering!
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That would be great, but at least some of the people we're dealing with have a history of being more than willing to suppress new innovation if it could cost them money...I think i'll wait and see just how much "new tech" changes, and how many times manufacturers are willing to retool.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
That would be great, but at least some of the people we're dealing with have a history of being more than willing to suppress new innovation if it could cost them money...I think i'll wait and see just how much "new tech" changes, and how many times manufacturers are willing to retool.
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There are lots of players from lots of countries, so competition on price and performance will be fierce, it's the same with solar panel production. Some kinds of batteries are better for different applications, micro vehicles, cars, trucks and stationary storage, home or utility scale. The next decade should see a large transition in the power industry with more people generating and storing their own power locally. The transition to EVs and heat pumps means a single source of power, electricity, powers the home and transport, so it makes independence possible. If new batteries last 30 or 40 years, some will end up as power banks in homes when they are done in EVs, since nobody will be paying much for daytime solar power and the EV will be at work during the day.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Future EVs could see the electric motors in the hubs of the wheels, there would be not much more to the vehicle drive train other than the electronic power control module and battery. Wheel hub motors can also provide regenerative braking and most of the braking, reducing the need for brake pad replacements.

I would imagine this kind of motor would be suited to electric aviation too we just need the batteries to power it.

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New Helix Electric Motor For Upcoming Hypercar Has 872 HP And Weighs Just 62 lbs | Carscoops

Helix is remaining coy about the upcoming hypercar that will use its innovative new electric motor
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Velshi: The climate crisis is here

6,110 views Jul 9, 2023 #Climate #ClimateCrisis #Weather
So far this summer, wildfire smoke has choked cities across the country week after week. Multiple heatwaves are gripping massive swaths of the nation, with no end in sight. The global temperature record broke at least three times in a row last week, and this next week may be even hotter. Models from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration estimate that 20% of Americans in the contiguous U.S. will experience dangerous temperatures this week. We are now experiencing some of the impacts of climate change - and it’s not going to stop until we curb emissions. So now, it’s imperative that at the local, state, and federal level, we learn how to protect ourselves.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CollectorOfSeeds said:
A virus mutates when its attacked... to survive... fact
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Does a person's immune system attack the virus naturally? Does it mutate to survive naturally? The unvaccinated helped spread the disease and even a mild case causes organ damage to the brain, heart, lungs and kidneys. The vaccines will improve and eventually defeat covid, but it won't matter to the brainwashed morons who will continue to get covid until enough of the vaccinated provide some herd immunity. We now have vaccines and effective medications; nobody gives a fuck about the idiots who believe bullshit anymore.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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CollectorOfSeeds said:
This is the same foolishness when they told people that the unvaccinated were causing new mutations of covid when anyone who knows anything knows a virus mutates when its attacked to survive and Only vaccinateed people achieved that....
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It is an interesting aspect of human behavior that the less a person knows, the more confidently they tend to speak about their unjustified beliefs.
 
printer

printer

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CollectorOfSeeds said:
A virus mutates when its attacked... to survive... fact
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No, they mutate naturally whether they are attacked or not.

"As a virus replicates, its genes undergo random “copying errors” (i.e. genetic mutations)."

Oops,
cannabineer said:
no. A virus mutates randomly and regardless of environment. You might want to seek a refund from the school that took your money for that microbiology course. What you propose incorporates Lamarckian ideas, which have been completely discredited.
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I guess we both were paying attention.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I wouldn't buy a Tesla, but if they pull it off it will cause other car makers to react with similar cheap cars.

www.notebookcheck.net

Tesla Model 2 design is finalized as are production line permits for its cheapest electric car

The purported mass market Model 2 that Tesla is preparing to build at its new Gigafactory in Mexico will be the 'best' and most 'affordable' electric vehicle there is, according to the governor of Nuevo León, Samuel Alejandro García Sepúlveda. The state has now given all the permits that Tesla...
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Several other car manufacturer groups already announced EVs in a similar price range and I don’t think Elon’s promises and decision to join a cheaper smaller car segment affects that much these days. Sub-25k EVs in that segment are inevitable regardless. It would probably be better for Tesla owners if they focussed more on quality than quantity and sales numbers and stock prices for a while. If they can improve quality to a surprising level to get rid of the bad reputation, all while halving the cost, it could be a huge success.

This Golf looking EV is going to be very popular in Europe. A cheaper smaller 20k model will arrive before 2026.
www.topgear.com

Volkswagen’s new electric car ‘for everyone’ will cost less than £22k

VW set to reveal ‘ID.2all’ concept that previews a cheaper EV
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Roger A. Shrubber said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66154757

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-66150778

There was nothing in the news about this magnitude of storms coming, they said heavy rain. That seems like a pretty fucking drastic understatement. This is the new "normal". I wonder what all the global climate change deniers are telling themselves to be able to ignore this? The consequences of our own apathy and corruption are no longer "COMING"...They're HERE.
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“people need to pray more”
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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This will bring prices of EVs down more than anything else, competition and the Chinese want to use the transition to EVs for light vehicles to break into the global auto market. A low-priced compact car is just what the market needs IMO and people with lower incomes need transportation too. The Average age of the US auto fleet is 12 years, and this is a reflection of the affordability of new ICE cars plus improved reliability. However, moving forward increasing numbers of new cars will be EVs and the aging ICE fleet should disappear fairly quickly. Maybe that's why NA automakers are focusing more on the high-end SUV and half tons, they know they couldn't compete when the Chinese hit the low end of the market with sensible cheap commuter EVs. Many could be assembled in America or Mexico from imported Chinese parts as part of the deal, just like the other international car companies do with NA assembly plants.


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Are Chinese-Built Cars Coming? U.S. Treasury Secretary's China Trip

The U.S. Treasury Secretary is visiting China to shore up relations and talk about U.S. and Chinese businesses. Will this lead to America opening the flood gates allowing China's cars into the U.S.?
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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DIY-HP-LED said:
This will bring prices of EVs down more than anything else, competition and the Chinese want to use the transition to EVs for light vehicles to break into the global auto market. A low-priced compact car is just what the market needs IMO and people with lower incomes need transportation too. The Average age of the US auto fleet is 12 years, and this is a reflection of the affordability of new ICE cars plus improved reliability. However, moving forward increasing numbers of new cars will be EVs and the aging ICE fleet should disappear fairly quickly. Maybe that's why NA automakers are focusing more on the high-end SUV and half tons, they know they couldn't compete when the Chinese hit the low end of the market with sensible cheap commuter EVs. Many could be assembled in America or Mexico from imported Chinese parts as part of the deal, just like the other international car companies do with NA assembly plants.


www.motorbiscuit.com

Are Chinese-Built Cars Coming? U.S. Treasury Secretary's China Trip

The U.S. Treasury Secretary is visiting China to shore up relations and talk about U.S. and Chinese businesses. Will this lead to America opening the flood gates allowing China's cars into the U.S.?
www.motorbiscuit.com www.motorbiscuit.com
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we are up to our armpits in quite enough shoddy Chicom merchandise. Just look at Amazon. Finding a “made in France” meat grinder is a lost cause.

(Excluding Treasla) I’ll buy a cheap EV if it is G7 manufacture. I’ll also wait for at least 10km (better 15) per kWH.
 
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