Climate in the 21st Century

DIY-HP-LED said:

Lithium prices have become so unstable and skyrockted to as high as $80,000 per ton!

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Wow! I have a 4oz chunk of lithium metal which is worth a small fortune at those prices!

2000lbs x 16oz/lb = 32,000oz into $80,000 = $2.50/oz x 4oz = $10 so a very small fortune indeed.

But wait! That's US dollars so in Canuck Bucks I'm rich!

There is little choice about going green and EV, so take that off the table, buggy whip makers will go out of business. EVs require a lot less parts and jobs to make than ICE vehicles, they should require much less maintenance too and not as many auto mechanics to service them either. Fortunately, in America this transition appears to be happening during a blue-collar worker shortage. I'm a union guy, but there are political, technological and economic factors at play here that are forcing change, one might as well try and hold back the tide. Someone has to make EVs and domestic nonunion shops and foreign competitors should pay tariffs on batteries and cars if they are non-union companies or in antiunion states. If they don't have a union, then they will need a free secret vote on why they don't and make attacking unions illegal and put a lot of real assholes out of work.

Generally, I'm for free trade, but not with slaves, at home or abroad.


Why Electric Cars Are a Problem for Auto Workers

72,832 views Oct 13, 2023 #bloomberg #strike #evs
The United Auto Workers' strike against GM, Ford and Chrysler-parent company Stellantis came at a pivotal moment. As President Joe Biden pushes the US towards its climate goals through the Inflation Reduction Act, the electric vehicle revolution will transform the market and the role of labor itself. In the face of mounting competition from the likes of Tesla and China, the union and carmakers alike are fighting for their future.

With the planet already 1.2C warmer than pre-industrial times, scientists are predicting the Arctic could be ice-free in summers by 2030s.

Concerns that the hotter climate will release trapped greenhouse gases like methane into the atmosphere as the region’s permafrost melts have been well-documented, but dormant pathogens are a lesser explored danger.

Last year research showing they’d extracted multiple ancient viruses from the Siberian permafrost, all of which remained infectious.

Ways in which this could present a threat are still emerging.

A heat wave in Siberia in the summer of 2016 activated anthrax spores, leading to dozens of infections, killing a child and thousands of reindeer. In July this year, a separate team of scientists published findings showing that even multicellular organisms could survive permafrost conditions in an inactive metabolic state, called cryptobiosis. They successfully reanimated a 46,000-year-old roundworm from the Siberian permafrost, just by re-hydrating it.

Dr. Claverie, a leading virologist said in an interview at his laboratory in the Luminy campus of Aix-Marseille University, France, referring to the spread of vector borne diseases from warmer tropical regions.

“Now, we realize there might be some danger coming from the north as the permafrost thaws and frees microbes, bacteria and viruses.”

Just imagine a virus emerging that Man hasn't been exposed to for millions of years.

A super-dooper measles for instance.

It is coming and that is pretty much certain.

It could make Covid look like the sniffles.

Make sure to wash your hands.

We're truly fucked if this comes true.

Could a beer shortage be looming? Changing weather could hit hops needed in brews (yahoo.com)

Mephisto666 said:

With the planet already 1.2C warmer than pre-industrial times, scientists are predicting the Arctic could be ice-free in summers by 2030s.

Concerns that the hotter climate will release trapped greenhouse gases like methane into the atmosphere as the region’s permafrost melts have been well-documented, but dormant pathogens are a lesser explored danger.

Last year research showing they’d extracted multiple ancient viruses from the Siberian permafrost, all of which remained infectious.

“With climate change, we are used to thinking of dangers coming from the south,”

Dr. Claverie, a leading virologist said in an interview at his laboratory in the Luminy campus of Aix-Marseille University, France, referring to the spread of vector borne diseases from warmer tropical regions.

“Now, we realize there might be some danger coming from the north as the permafrost thaws and frees microbes, bacteria and viruses.”

Just imagine a virus emerging that Man hasn't been exposed to for millions of years.

A super-dooper measles for instance.

It is coming and that is pretty much certain.

It could make Covid look like the sniffles.

Make sure to wash your hands.

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I think the biggest knock on effect is going to be mass human migration. Eastern Appalachia and the mid west are the regions projected to be the least effected areas of the US (and some of the tops globally. Huge resource allocation adjustments will be needed zenophobic sentiment will skyrocket, cultural warfare will insue, and yes pathogen spread. This will cut from both sides of the social/economic spectrum. "Poor" people from mostly the middle East and pacific islands will be forced from the current location. On the other end "rich" communities along the US east coast will be abandoned and they will flood the relatively low income communities causing mass gentrification causing massive economic strain to the native population. A New Yorker or Miamian with a 500k insurance check can live like a king in Battle Creek MI or off the I-81 corridor

Mephisto666 said:

We're truly fucked if this comes true.

Could a beer shortage be looming? Changing weather could hit hops needed in brews (yahoo.com)

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Nah we can use weed instead no issue there

Mephisto666 said:

With the planet already 1.2C warmer than pre-industrial times, scientists are predicting the Arctic could be ice-free in summers by 2030s.

Concerns that the hotter climate will release trapped greenhouse gases like methane into the atmosphere as the region’s permafrost melts have been well-documented, but dormant pathogens are a lesser explored danger.

Last year research showing they’d extracted multiple ancient viruses from the Siberian permafrost, all of which remained infectious.

Ways in which this could present a threat are still emerging.

A heat wave in Siberia in the summer of 2016 activated anthrax spores, leading to dozens of infections, killing a child and thousands of reindeer. In July this year, a separate team of scientists published findings showing that even multicellular organisms could survive permafrost conditions in an inactive metabolic state, called cryptobiosis. They successfully reanimated a 46,000-year-old roundworm from the Siberian permafrost, just by re-hydrating it.

Dr. Claverie, a leading virologist said in an interview at his laboratory in the Luminy campus of Aix-Marseille University, France, referring to the spread of vector borne diseases from warmer tropical regions.

“Now, we realize there might be some danger coming from the north as the permafrost thaws and frees microbes, bacteria and viruses.”

Just imagine a virus emerging that Man hasn't been exposed to for millions of years.

A super-dooper measles for instance.

It is coming and that is pretty much certain.

It could make Covid look like the sniffles.

Make sure to wash your hands.

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Tipping points are like bridges we will cross them when we come to them, but they will also spur change along with social upheaval. We are on a technological ride into the future with no getting off except by the extinction of billions and the collapse of our global technological society. Extreme weather and ecological events will serve to drive change, whether it actually helps or not. There is nothing like getting your house burned to the ground to change hearts and minds and not being able to get house insurance will change even more.

VaSmile said:

I think the biggest knock on effect is going to be mass human migration. Eastern Appalachia and the mid west are the regions projected to be the least effected areas of the US (and some of the tops globally. Huge resource allocation adjustments will be needed zenophobic sentiment will skyrocket, cultural warfare will insue, and yes pathogen spread. This will cut from both sides of the social/economic spectrum. "Poor" people from mostly the middle East and pacific islands will be forced from the current location. On the other end "rich" communities along the US east coast will be abandoned and they will flood the relatively low income communities causing mass gentrification causing massive economic strain to the native population. A New Yorker or Miamian with a 500k insurance check can live like a king in Battle Creek MI or off the I-81 corridor

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Migration will be an issue, with new people come new votes and values. By the time sea level rise becomes an issue global population should be in decline, especially in developed countries where it already is. Canada, America and the EU all have to import people to survive since we are not replacing our populations now and will face a demographic crisis if we don't. Japan is facing such a crisis; they don't want to import people and are depending on robots to wipe their asses in the old folk's home and man the factories to support the elderly. China's population is collapsing, and the government is helpless to prevent it, unless they ban birth control, I guess. The racist lunatics are trying that in America, but the result will be more poor brown people and fewer white ones, the opposite of what they desire.

We will live in increasingly multicultural societies, people come by plane these days and go back home frequently, they have the internet and TV in their own language and culture, even here and maintain connections more with the folks back home via video calls. This leads to a more diverse society, a multicultural society, that will put more pressure on the connections between Christian religion and the state. Prayer in school might not be a thing in classes full of pseudo-Chistian's, agnostics, atheists, Jews, Muslims, Shik's and Hindus. Liberal democracy ends up spreading power and a voice to all people, not just white Christians or those who identify as such. It is why they don't like liberal democracy and the rule of law, because justice is supposed to be blind to race and religion and it's getting there. They don't like legal immigration either because most of them will be brown or Muslim, so they had better have a second look at those migrants, there seem to be as many of them as America is short of immigrants.

We need to talk about ANTARCTICA...AGAIN!!

53,878 views Oct 15, 2023
Global ocean surface temperatures are so high that climate scientists are describing them as "off the charts". September 2023 global average surface temperatures obliterated the previous record high, causing those same scientists to declare the result 'shocking' and 'out of control'. The consequences for the world's largest ice sheet are already measurable. The 2023 Antarctic Sea ice maximum was more than a million square kilometres lower than the previous low record. Now two scientific research teams published data on just how bad it is likely to get.

Antarctic ice area at daily record lows for 143 consecutive days. Extent 169 days

I thought sea ice and ice sheet were different. Sheet/shelf ice shows little seasonal variation.

One way for solar panel makers to stand out is to make PV integrated roof tiles and shingles, not just standard panels. You can use the entire area of the roof or just the south side and it looks better than solar panels on the roof and probably cheaper for new construction or roof replacements if solar is to be part of the picture. We should see a lot more of these products over the next decade and they should replace panels mounted on roofs for domestic use.

Green hydrogen is used to make green steel and increased efficiency in producing PV hydrogen means lower costs. The rare metals it uses doesn't matter much because even a large operation wouldn't use very much catalyst and it doesn't appear to degrade with use. Australia has all the ingredients to be a major green steel producer in the future, abundant iron ore and plenty of solar potential to make hydrogen and run electric arc furnaces.

Here is where home solar and home battery storage with an EV will count, it will give more control to prosumers, they will have the option of using it domestically and charging their EV, before "donating" excess to the grid, but there will be a minimum grid connection fee. People's domestic and transportation energy needs will be electric, and many can make and soon store that power with solar, batteries and a home power management system. Private power utilities might end up in a squeeze with many of their customers essentially energy independent or making more than they consume. Nonprofits and cooperatives might not feel as much heat though, since they just need to redistribute power and money while taking out enough for maintenance and running the system.

cannabineer said:

I thought sea ice and ice sheet were different. Sheet/shelf ice shows little seasonal variation.

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Yes a ice sheet is its own entity sea ice is ice that cover the surface of the sea. If an ice sheet extends off the continent that part of it is included in sea ice data.
Key differences is an ice sheet is continental fresh water, when it melts it adds fresh water to the ocean causing sea level rise.
Sea ice, typically is frozen sea water. It dose not contribute to sea level rise as it is always part of the ocean water weather solid or liquid. Still maters see albedo effect.
Extent is the total area of the ocean that has a reasonable amount of ice, area accounts for the wholes in extent.
Extent is less useful for science but we have a much larger and longer data set with a much higher level of confidence.
Of course both extent and area are 2d measurements,the golden ticket for science data is volume,but that is hard to collect and come with a low level of confidence and the data set of reasonable confidence only goes back about 20 years.

I was checking some solar panel prices in Canada and was surprised at how cheap things were getting here, since we usually pay through the nose for things like this. I was wondering how much it would cost for solar panels to generate enough power for a house and EV for most of the year and supplement it at least in the winter. I figure battery prices will come down along with home power management systems when the factories start mass producing EV batteries. Solar prices are cheap now, but they will be cheaper and better by the time the batteries and EVs arrive in a few years. Right now, you can get enough panels to a maximum of 13,500 watts of power for about $10K Canadian, but realistically it won't do that well most of the time, especially in winter.


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VaSmile said:

Yes a ice sheet is its own entity sea ice is ice that cover the surface of the sea. If an ice sheet extends off the continent that part of it is included in sea ice data.
Key differences is an ice sheet is continental fresh water, when it melts it adds fresh water to the ocean causing sea level rise.
Sea ice, typically is frozen sea water. It dose not contribute to sea level rise as it is always part of the ocean water weather solid or liquid. Still maters see albedo effect.
Extent is the total area of the ocean that has a reasonable amount of ice, area accounts for the wholes in extent.
Extent is less useful for science but we have a much larger and longer data set with a much higher level of confidence.
Of course both extent and area are 2d measurements,the golden ticket for science data is volume,but that is hard to collect and come with a low level of confidence and the data set of reasonable confidence only goes back about 20 years.

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The Greenland ice sheet has seen some extreme heat/melting events. I wonder when it will let go. I figure it’ll precede big doings in the antarctic.
Imagine sea level rising several meters in one roaring week. Greenland is likely to do that in our lifetimes, and I’m sixty+.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I was checking some solar panel prices in Canada and was surprised at how cheap things were getting here, since we usually pay through the nose for things like this. I was wondering how much it would cost for solar panels to generate enough power for a house and EV for most of the year and supplement it at least in the winter. I figure battery prices will come down along with home power management systems when the factories start mass producing EV batteries. Solar prices are cheap now, but they will be cheaper and better by the time the batteries and EVs arrive in a few years. Right now, you can get enough panels to a maximum of 13,500 watts of power for about $10K Canadian, but realistically it won't do that well most of the time, especially in winter.

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This Vsun Solar Panel is a high-quality solar panel that offers exceptional performance, durability, and reliability. Its advanced features make it an excellent choice for a wide range of applications, and its long-term warranty ensures that the investment will pay off in the long run. Moreover, it offers significant advantages, including higher energy yield, improved low-light performance, and improved aesthetics.

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under a Cabuck a watt! yay

cannabineer said:

I thought sea ice and ice sheet were different. Sheet/shelf ice shows little seasonal variation.

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With sea ice the weight of the water is already included. Ice on land does add it's mass to the ocean when it melts, thus adding to sea level rise.