superstoner1
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Yes, I know, I've done this for a while, bro and if you didn't know, it is gone rather quickly when exposed. But it doesn't need to run 24\7. Anyway...............
Clone Room Question...
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booms111
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Its all good man. You got your way that works i got mine. As long as were getting roots in 7 days or so were both doing something right.
superstoner1
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No, when you have 100% rooting success its done right, length doesn't matter.
booms111
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ok smart ass...now teach everybody how to clone that has well water that isnt pretreated like your water. So what do you do then. oh wait you dont know because your water is treated and have know idea what to do with bad water source. When people follow your method and after 1 month of using cloner have slime and shit in there rez and no roots because of it they will KNOW why to follow what ive said. Good luck hope you never move to somewhere with well water, if you do you can always PM me and ask how to deal with it....
superstoner1
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Wow, touchy touchy. If you well water is that bad then you buy a filter system or bottled water. Lesson over, class dismissed. The professor has left the building. Hahaha.
jcommerce
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I have read many posts and the one on IC Mag is, obviously, the most popular. However, they started out very conservatively. It takes a lot of chlorine to have a negative impact on plants and cuttings. Look how many people use tap water, which has a lot of chlorine. I use RO water, so the amount I add is probably not getting the level much above that of some tap waters. All I know is what works for me.
I initially started using the 1/4 tsp as you mentioned above, but as I read more and more posts on different forums, I realized people were using much more than this amount, with no negative effects. I just started using 1 tsp in a gallon and never looked back. I'm sure that using 10ml per gallon would stop the bacterial and fungal growth just fine. Like I said, sometimes I skip using it altogether with the cutting edge recipe and I haven't had any problems when running 24/7 with temps in high 70s - 80F. Ready to plant in 14 - 18 days, some sooner.
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jcommerce
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Man, you must have an incredibly inefficient pump. I think mine uses less than 10 watts. Like I said, I saw much faster rooting when I stopped using my pump timer (and they're not cheap) and just went 24/7. Yes, the water temp increased, but with the shock, it was not an issue and it's simply a fact that rooting happens more quickly at 80F than 70F. To each his own. Not knocking what you do or what anyone else does...just sharing what works for me.
And while you can't get root rot with no roots, you can certainly get stem rot. Sounds like you've got your situation dialed in with your certain tap water, but what works for one may not work for all. You obviously have cred here, no hatin.
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booms111
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i agree with everything you said jcommerce . I get root bumps in 3 days roots in 5 days 100% recently since i upped my chlorine dose and been sticking to every 5 days instead of 7-10 days to dose. Never see any slime or rot ever but i cycle bleach every 2 weeks and i definitly agree i get roots faster at 78-80f water temp. My pump probably is 10 watts like you said to so running 24/7 is the only way to keep temps up and cost me nothing hardly to run.
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hydroMD
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Cooler water temps will make rooting a little slower, but mold and fungal build up will be slower. I root with water at about 72° and have roots in 5-10 days.
I like warmer media conditions with plugs or cubes, but deal with stem rot and mold sometimes with my bubble cloner.
Not disagreeing with anyone, just chiming in to say that cooler water temp is the more conservative route with less possible issues
I like warmer media conditions with plugs or cubes, but deal with stem rot and mold sometimes with my bubble cloner.
Not disagreeing with anyone, just chiming in to say that cooler water temp is the more conservative route with less possible issues
jcommerce
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I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong. When I said 30ml/gallon above, I was incorrect. That's what I use (30ml total) for my 4 gallon cloner. As I'm getting ready to run some more clones, I realized my error in my post. The correct ratio is 7.5ml/gallon of shock dilution to add to cloners. Therefore, you mix 1/4 tsp (yes, a 0.25 teaspoon) of shock per gallon of RO water and mix it well. You then add 7.5ml/gallon of this mixture to your cloner every 4 - 5 days and/or when you do a rez change. If you used the amount originally stated, don't worry, it won't harm your plants. People are using more (some A LOT more) than the 7.5ml/gallon mixture. However, I've found the 7.5 ml/gallon ratio to work very well.
Remember to store your shock mixture in a dark container or to keep it in the dark as light will break down the calcium hypochlorite (active ingredient in the shock) and it will lose its efficacy.
Remember to store your shock mixture in a dark container or to keep it in the dark as light will break down the calcium hypochlorite (active ingredient in the shock) and it will lose its efficacy.
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CocoCola
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Yeah, higher temps rooted my clones a couple days faster. However, if you have a pathogen in the game, the pathogen will also move faster.
You MUST sterilize every nook of your cloner after each use AND change your collars! This is recommended by EZ-Clone. Alternatively you can buy heat sterilizable collars called Permaclone, but they're expensive.
Also, a new thing that will help keep you system clear as you fight off this infection is 5ppm of pool shock (70% free chlorine version). That's 5 mg/L or 20 mg/gal or 0.2 gram in 10 gallons (NO MORE). Add this again in 3 days.
pH to 5.2, lower than other suggest to help ensure this pathogen is put at bay.
Roots by day 7, not longer
ALSO, tap water below 300 ppm is fine w/o any additives. ...just pH and add you antibiotic--Pool shock, since you're infected.
jijiandfarmgang
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My pump draws a few watts also. I've had multiple mechanical timers fail, not worth messing with.
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cronicthehedgehog
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I like 80f for temp and 50-60 percent humidity for my clones. They root fast in 7-10 days.
CocoCola
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EZ-Clone, PermaClone, & Pool Shock has made my cloner reliable again!
1. pH 5 - 5.5 (Lower than most, but better IMO) w/ city water at ~200 ppm TDS
2. PermaClone collars pressure cooked or baked
3. Pool shock at 2 ppm every few days.
4. Pump on 24/7, temperature reached around 85 - 87 w/o a problem.
Nubs in 5 days, roots in 7 and these pictures were taken at day 14.
1. pH 5 - 5.5 (Lower than most, but better IMO) w/ city water at ~200 ppm TDS
2. PermaClone collars pressure cooked or baked
3. Pool shock at 2 ppm every few days.
4. Pump on 24/7, temperature reached around 85 - 87 w/o a problem.
Nubs in 5 days, roots in 7 and these pictures were taken at day 14.
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bryangtho
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I just bought 24 turbo klone about 2 weeks ago. Frist clones all died as i forgot to turn the pump back on all died in under 12 hours. New batch 6 days ago just kept the ph around 5.8 5.9 and on the warmer days put a frozen bottle of water in it. Today have roots on about 4 or 5 of them just used town water.