clones from flowers...what is the results?

SJ KOrganic

SJ KOrganic

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In another pinch yet again. So, the story starts when I bought ready-to-flower clones from a buddy. Well right before he sold them to me he lollipopped them and took those clones for himself....so I preemptively set up a cloning station so that when the time comes I can clone, veg, and flower all on my own. I was basically forced to take clippings about 2 weeks into flower. The clones made a 100% success rate and are 12 days in, 7 days in the dome with root riots ...roots like crazy after 4 days. Now are in cups of buffer for 5 days and strong.

The question is....is there going to be downsides to this like beans and lower stress tolerance? I've read a whole lot of success storys about getting them to the veg stage...but in all that reading I never got to see the end result so it's still unclear to me if it's "possible with good results".
 
SJ KOrganic

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Also going to note that I was left without an option and had to try it or else I would have a 3 month harvest gap due to half of his crop getting some sort of infection....or so he says...
 
Dr.StickyFingers

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I only take clones from flowering now (i.e monstercrop)

Its takes the clone longer on average to root because it needs to revert back its vegetative stage but once it does you get a lot more branching going on compared to clones taken from veg.

I prefer it because it makes for scrogging + lollipopping a breeze
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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Some strains will hermie easier than others... and yes, sometimes re-vegging can cause some strains to spit out a few bananas. A good stable strain usually does just fine with no adverse-effects though. Here's my latest experiment. This pic was about 2-3 weeks in, and I never really let it reveg... just got it to pops some roots and harden off, then back in the 12/12 tent.

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burgertime2010

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in my experience re-vegging will produce viable plants but is unpredictable. Canopy density, uniformity, and yeild are more likely to suffer. Also, it is a waste of time and effort as well as the fact that mothering a revegged plant is bad news. The saving of a genetic that might otherwise be lost is a good reason.
 
TheYokel

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burgertime2010 said:
in my experience re-vegging will produce viable plants but is unpredictable. Canopy density, uniformity, and yeild are more likely to suffer. Also, it is a waste of time and effort as well as the fact that mothering a revegged plant is bad news. The saving of a genetic that might otherwise be lost is a good reason.
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My OG definitely loses yield if you don't veg it long enough after re-vegging it. Again, it's all strain dependent and relies on how much time you have to let them veg.

And I wouldn't say it's a waste of time and effort at all. Some people can only have 2 or 3 plants... and for them revegging and monster-cropping a clone can save a loooot of time instead of popping new beans and vegging/training/etc.

It all depends on the situation. I've seen some true monsters... and a few growers on here can show you 4-foot wide plants with 30 colas on them. It's all grower's preference really.
 
SJ KOrganic

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Good information here. At this point i don't think i have much of an option, but this way i can seed out my next strain rather than taking clones of these revegged plants. Just trying to minimize harvest gaps.
 
TheYokel

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SJ KOrganic said:
Good information here. At this point i don't think i have much of an option, but this way i can seed out my next strain rather than taking clones of these revegged plants. Just trying to minimize harvest gaps.
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I have a mama bush that I take clones from. Every 4 weeks new clones go in the tent, and every 4 weeks I harvest the last batch. I harvest 1/2 my tent every 4 weeks or so. If you want to minimize gaps... seeds just aren't the best way to do it.

Even if every bean pops at the exact same time, they will still take different amounts of time for flowering/etc depending on the pheno. It's just too random to really be the most effective way of growing. Even from feminized seeds.
 
GrowerGoneWild

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SJ KOrganic said:
The question is....is there going to be downsides to this like beans and lower stress tolerance? I've read a whole lot of success storys about getting them to the veg stage...but in all that reading I never got to see the end result so it's still unclear to me if it's "possible with good results".
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Cuts taken in flower then reverted to veg work well, they tend to branch more and I think this is where the monstercropping term comes from.. Given enough of a long veg time and more cloning I've been able to flip em back to a veg state and where you can get solid cuts that dont have the branching trait that is triggered from flowering.
 
Wicked ReToddDid

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I love clones from a flowering plant. They turn into monsters (monster cropping) and will be throwing out branches everywhere.

When they start to veg, you will notice curled leaves and single finger leaves with hardly any blade detail, but rest assured, they will be fine and yeild pretty good too. Good luck.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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Take them regularly now, they tend to take a little longer to root/re-veg and as others have mentioned, look a little strange until they fully start re-vegging, probably a 2 week delay overall. But they can (not always) become nice bushes with no training, with training they tend to go crazy branching off in all directions. I've had different results with different strains, plan to use them outdoor (guerrilla style) and spread some around next summer, imo they're perfect for outdoor since you don't have easy/regular access for training them. Only thing I wouldn't recommend is trying to flower them straight after rooting, they produce but not differently than any other clones imo, not worth the extra time from what I've seen. No hermies or the like yet either so I don't think there's much to that.
 
SJ KOrganic

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Well after 30 days they were completely root-bound and some grew from 2 to 4 inchs, wish i took pictures but i felt there wasnt time to hold it in the light. So i transplanted them today and placed them into the brand new veg room i have not used yet, new tent, new lights, everything! Pretty excited!! Well, i DID make the rookie mistake of not watering them, i came back 2 hours later and they were on their sides....I gave them water and they shot back up in 15 minutes. Pretty amazing what these things can do. Now hopefully someone is still reading this thread, as i didnt want to start another thread for this issue.

Did it do any damage??? I mean, they were laying on their sides...Worries me, first time cloning, first time transplanting. Right out of the gate had a 100% success rate and i dont want to mess it up now!!
 
GroErr

GroErr

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SJ KOrganic said:
Did it do any damage??? I mean, they were laying on their sides...Worries me, first time cloning, first time transplanting. Right out of the gate had a 100% success rate and i dont want to mess it up now!!
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It should be fine, these things are pretty resilient. Sounds like they were just drooping from not getting enough water, they should bounce right back if that was the case.
 
SJ KOrganic

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GroErr said:
It should be fine, these things are pretty resilient. Sounds like they were just drooping from not getting enough water, they should bounce right back if that was the case.
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Cool man thanks for the response. Yeah they responded right in front of my eyes it was pretty cool actually !!
 
GroErr

GroErr

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SJ KOrganic said:
Cool man thanks for the response. Yeah they responded right in front of my eyes it was pretty cool actually !!
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Yeah, know what you mean, the odd time I haven't been able to get to them in time for watering I've seen them looking rough/droopy. Give them some water and you can almost watch them perk up within minutes. The things are pretty hard to kill :)
 
Milovan

Milovan

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TheYokel said:
It all depends on the situation. I've seen some true monsters... and a few growers on here can show you 4-foot wide plants with 30 colas on them. It's all grower's preference really.
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My reveged clones taken from flowering plants day before harvest have
turned out 11' H x 9' W and a Blue Dream 9' x 9' x 9' big and I have
pictures. Always all very potent consistently.
Lower cuttings taken from flowering plants have branches that are more woody and the donor plant has a more
established root system.

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BigTexan

BigTexan

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Budding plant -> clone no older than 3 weeks into flower -> Re-veg in aerocloner -> Plant and let it finish re-veging and starting to look normal -> take the top off the re vegged plant and stick it back in my aero cloner -> re plant and i never have issues, people get issues when they flower the re-vegged plant, im simply re-veging to get a good clone. Had to do it a few times to save a strain, its a little more time consuming since im re-cloning which takes an extra 2 weeks or so. But id rather have a normal looking plant than a bean stalk.
 
SJ KOrganic

SJ KOrganic

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Well i have encountered another issue. Came to check on them today to find that most of the leaves were wrinkled and dried up. The environment - 75 Degree high, 63 degree low, 55% RH, 1 gallon pots, 220 watt flourencent about 2 feet above them. Will get pics up soon, i misted them with a water bottle, doubting this is going to help any but thats all i know what to do!!!! :( I will get pictures up asap!!
 
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