Cloning Experement - Honey vs Schultz Take Root vs Clonex gel

upinthemguts

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Oh for sure. When people come out with that kind of confidence they are right about 25% of the time in my opinion, but I would play the lottery every single.day with those odds. My plan is to try and root these with the most simple method I know of (dome and plug) but to help I am using my champion solution of rhizo/superthrive in a spray bottle. I am out of h2o2 or I would use that too. If these root in less than two weeks I will move them out and then try a second round with normal CFL light immediately to see if there is any benefit to the darkness theory. His description of the shoelace and sponge bucket was confusing, too much typing while under the influence I guess. bongsmilie. I am going to go for 48 hours of darkness since he said 24/48. 30 hours is the fastest I have ever seen roots with this method, but this is a New strain to me, so this will all be a learning experience.
 

|B3RNY|

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From the day I flip them to 12/12. I keep them on a Veg nute mix until the growth has stagnated and the plant really starts to switch to flowering, then I change to a bloom mix. It's all the same stuff though nutrient wise, just diff amounts.

My lights are dual spectrum, 600HPS/400MH in 1 1,000W bulb. Pimp shit lol
Awesome, pretty close to what I do; I've heard all kinds of different ways to count days flowering though. I flipped on 9-1, but my first calyxes/hair bushels didn't pop up until like the 7th or 8th. I was thinking maybe that's why people think an extra week does so much good for the resin production- maybe they're the type who start counting after the sex appears, then they'd just be on time with those who count from the day they flip the lights, hmmm...?
..I don't ever flower for a specific amount of time, I just listen to my girls and let them tell me when they're ready to come down. I've only had a handful of strains finish in the time the breeder specified, they're usually talking about a specific phenotype I assume but I found myself flowering longer and longer each time I grew for several years. Good things come to those who wait..
 

upinthemguts

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I left the clones in the dark for 36 hours, no roots yet. I am not going to blame the method yet, could have just been my lower temps.and infrequent spraying, but they looked totally pathetic when I pulled them out of the dark, they were drooping over and the leaves were laying over. I stuck them under a 45 watt CFL and raised my temp setting to 75. I think they have started to perk up a little. I won't post a pic, don't want to be accused of plant.abuse.
 

Scroga

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any luck yet? Just a quickie about the bucket with the air stone in it...how much water goes in it? Do the stems need to be submerged? Building one shortly...maybe real small so it ll fit in my small veg cupboard..
 

Huel Perkins

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any luck yet? Just a quickie about the bucket with the air stone in it...how much water goes in it? Do the stems need to be submerged? Building one shortly...maybe real small so it ll fit in my small veg cupboard..
You don't want the stems submerged, you want them barely above the water level. The bubbles coming up and popping at the water's surface will splash the stems just enough to keep them wet.
 

upinthemguts

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I made some of my clone cups I talked about before with the coco in them. The darkness clones have a three day head start, let's see which one roots first. ;) btw I took a ton of pictures. I might make a new thread for this method.
 

|B3RNY|

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DWC will actually work with no air stone at all, as long as the air hose is submerged... the air stones are just diffusers; the finer they can break up the air pushed from your pump- the more efficiently the bubbles can oxygenate the water, I think surface area of the bubbles is key here. The pump is only going to move as much air as it's supposed to, of course, but higher grade diffusers would use electricity more efficiently. As far as the shape goes, I really don't think any are best other than for convenience. I use really long skinny air stones now, just because they come with suction cups to keep 'em stuck to the bottom of the reservoirs... but they're too expensive so I started buying little cylindrical air stones (about 1" diameter, 4" length) in bulk, through eBay and noticed no difference... except for the smaller ones, without the suction cups, were easier to untangle from the roots but the longer one stayed in place. I've been seeing air stones made with a weird, hard plastic-like material lately, they work just the same as far as I can tell but they're made much more generically.
 

AzCannaMan

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Just an update guys, the aero cloner was too inconsistent with the Tahoe OG clones to use... I'm back to rockwool cubes now this time, trying some cuts off a new Tahoe Mini Mom I've been veggin an while now, fuck this cloning shit is eating up soooooo much time!
 

|B3RNY|

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I think what helped me best when I started cloning was the phrase "a watched pot never boils." I think you are putting far too much effort/thought into it man, I try to get their environment set how you like it and forget about 'em.. (other than regular maintenance of course.)
 

AzCannaMan

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I think what helped me best when I started cloning was the phrase "a watched pot never boils." I think you are putting far too much effort/thought into it man, I try to get their environment set how you like it and forget about 'em.. (other than regular maintenance of course.)
That's pretty much what i'm doing with the new cuts in the Rockwool. I marked on the calender when I cut them, In about a week I'll check them for roots, I think they are in a happy place right now. The little watering trick PO gave me might just be the trick to this Tahoe.
 

upinthemguts

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I scrolled back a few pages and couldn't find the water trick you're talking about, what was it again? My clones that I put in the dark for two days still haven't rooted and they've started looking a little funny on the newest growth they had. I thought by now they would show their sex though.....
 

Huel Perkins

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Just an update guys, the aero cloner was too inconsistent with the Tahoe OG clones to use... I'm back to rockwool cubes now this time, trying some cuts off a new Tahoe Mini Mom I've been veggin an while now, fuck this cloning shit is eating up soooooo much time!
Are your clones actually dying or do you just keep starting over because you're impatient?
 

AzCannaMan

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Are your clones actually dying or do you just keep starting over because you're impatient?
Well it's not a matter of dying, I needed 8 and way less than that rooted. Also the were really inconsistent in the ones which did root, the some had large root systems, other tiny by comparison. I hate planting clones with way different root systems because the bigger ones take off and are ahead for the whole grow. The clones with the smaller root systems seem like they stay that way. So i need a more consistent batch of cuts, at least remotely similar in root systems. I have limited space so I cant afford to have any sub par plants in there if I can avoid it.
 

|B3RNY|

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I see where you're coming from. You should cut a few extra every time, a few extras never hurt anyone... unless it put them over a limit, lol.
 
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