Cloning Experement - Honey vs Schultz Take Root vs Clonex gel

AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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Well I checked every one of the cubes thoroughly and what did I find??? No Roots Tonight LOL

Don't worry guys I'll keep giving them the attention they need... The Aerocloner is looking more appealing by the day... especially since I can check it 1 time a day at most if I want to without harming the cuttings.
 
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sippinslurpies

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I bought everything i need today to build me an aero cloner, except for the tub... the only decent sized tubs i could find with lids were transparent. Can any of you guys tell me the heights of you're aerocloners? i'm guessing theyd need to be high enough that the water is always over the pump and then the sprayers out of the water but 6 inches lower than the clones..
 
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sippinslurpies

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The whole tubs were clear, not just the lids... is it just a matter of painting the whole tub black? That's easy enough but i'd prefer to start off with a black
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|B3RNY|

|B3RNY|

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AzCannaMan said:
Well I checked every one of the cubes thoroughly and what did I find??? No Roots Tonight LOL

Don't worry guys I'll keep giving them the attention they need... The Aerocloner is looking more appealing by the day... especially since I can check it 1 time a day at most if I want to without harming the cuttings.
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That is the method that requires the least maintenance... I'm surprised your cuttings have not rooted for you yet, in all three settings. Once you get your technique down, the difference in rooting times are only the difference in strain/phenotype. Don't let it discourage you though.. What strain are you using btw? I found a thread a long time ago that theorized each strain would see different results through different techniques, according to the environment they were bred as well as the traits the strain was bred for (i.e. Critical+ roots very quickly in jiffy pellets, under a humidity dome- 3 or 4 days-usually only after it has already been cloned once. Northern light, if cut while flowering, takes much longer- rooting not even started at day 12 even though flowering plants are suppose to root more quickly-northern light (from Nirvana) takes longer to root when flowering than it does in veg.) I believe that true-breeding strains must be stronger rooters, my best rooters so far have been mainly skunk crosses and Serious Seeds AK-47 (which takes me 12 days to root, but consistently-they all root at the exact same time, in almost the same manner.) ...something to think about though.
 
|B3RNY|

|B3RNY|

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Huel Perkins said:
Paint the lid black.
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I paint my stuff black first, then white... it works wonders for stuff that just won't become light proof with a couple coats of black-use 1 color for a coat, then another color on the next coat and it will block out the light with much less coats of paint/ I have no idea what causes this.
 
PaulN'Chuck

PaulN'Chuck

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Still nothing?? Alright Im here for the haul then. I clone in water. This shoulb veryyy interesting. I went through all 13 pages hoping to find a result! next time I will just jump to the back hhahahaha good luck !
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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sippinslurpies said:
The whole tubs were clear, not just the lids... is it just a matter of painting the whole tub black? That's easy enough but i'd prefer to start off with a black
tub
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Try truck bed liner or Wheel Well liner in the aresol cans. Thick, black and it'll be rubberized, water, wear resistant. Prob work in 1 coat too.
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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|B3RNY| said:
That is the method that requires the least maintenance... I'm surprised your cuttings have not rooted for you yet, in all three settings. Once you get your technique down, the difference in rooting times are only the difference in strain/phenotype. Don't let it discourage you though.. What strain are you using btw? I found a thread a long time ago that theorized each strain would see different results through different techniques, according to the environment they were bred as well as the traits the strain was bred for (i.e. Critical+ roots very quickly in jiffy pellets, under a humidity dome- 3 or 4 days-usually only after it has already been cloned once. Northern light, if cut while flowering, takes much longer- rooting not even started at day 12 even though flowering plants are suppose to root more quickly-northern light (from Nirvana) takes longer to root when flowering than it does in veg.) I believe that true-breeding strains must be stronger rooters, my best rooters so far have been mainly skunk crosses and Serious Seeds AK-47 (which takes me 12 days to root, but consistently-they all root at the exact same time, in almost the same manner.) ...something to think about though.
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This Tahoe OG is taking a long ass time lol - I knew it wasnt the easiest strain to clone going into this though. That's why I was hoping your technique would get these rooted in <=1week also.
 
lordjin

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AzCannaMan said:
This Tahoe OG is taking a long ass time lol - I knew it wasnt the easiest strain to clone going into this though. That's why I was hoping your technique would get these rooted in <=1week also.
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PO OG cuts are stubborn. Don't feel too bad. You could get a branch from any ol' vigorous, easy-to-grow seed plant and have almost instant success. But where's the challenge in that? You're shooting for the stars, brother. That's what I like about you.

So what's the deal on the aero-cloner? Am I really gonna have to make it for you or can I just send you a pump?
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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lordjin said:
PO OG cuts are stubborn. Don't feel too bad. You could get a branch from any ol' vigorous, easy-to-grow seed plant and have almost instant success. But where's the challenge in that? You're shooting for the stars, brother. That's what I like about you.

So what's the deal on the aero-cloner? Am I really gonna have to make it for you or can I just send you a pump?
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Thanks for the kind words Jin, these bitches will be rooted soon ;)
As for the Aero cloner I decided to do something different.... I already have an extra pump so that isn't really the main deterrent there.... You'll see soon..... hehehe

I must say thank you very much for the offer, if I lived in LA we would have already made it! It's all good...
 
chusett

chusett

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Dunno bout this exact experiment.. not trying to hijack but just felt like saying since I started and learned and now nearly mastered cloning.. I find that clonex gel is good for bubblers/cloners.. domes work with the powder well. Just my 2 cent.
 
AzCannaMan

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Okay so I burned the little girls just a tiny bit. Let me explain, I have been only watering the media very sparingly, mostly from over spray of the mist. Having it too wet is detrimental to getting the cuts to root. So for the last 24 hours i have not misted them and kept a close eye letting everything dry out but not to the point of stressing or wilting any of them.

An extremely gentle tug on a few random cuts yesterday seems to reveal they all have at least some roots; just none showing on the outside of the cube yet.

So in order to help bring the roots out I let the plugs dry most of the way out, and did not mist for 24 hours so they would be really thirsty. Then I fed them with a rooting solution from the bottom of the plugs letting them wick up the rooting solution. I mixed it a bit heavy with Rhizotonic the equivalent of 20ml/gal which is a little beyond the max dosage (15ml/gal) Canna recommends for rooting. I'll post below about the Rhizo... Anyway 10ml of the Rhizo, and 1ml of A & B each into 1/2 gal of water, a few drops of CALiMAGic for Mg Ca and Fe then PH accordingly.

Fed them this morning, they seem to have a tiny bit of nute burn now. The tips where they were cut have been perfectly lush and green.

Do you think this means they have roots which will be busting out soon? I do!

There is some nice bright green new growth in the center of most of them as well...

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AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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Rhizotonic





Rhizotonic

CANNA RHIZOTONIC is a powerful, algae based, vegetative stimulator for roots of fast-growing plants that already have roots or root initials. RHIZOTONIC stimulates further root development, increases the plant’s resistance to disease and promotes its inner and outer strength.
RHIZOTONIC is 100% natural, and contains multiple vitamins. RHIZOTONIC influences the root environment and is the ideal supplement for the crop environment created by the grower. RHIZOTONIC has a calming effect on plants, and is ideally suited for use when shipping or re-potting plants. RHIZOTONIC will also improve plants that are unhealthy or poorly developed.
RHIZOTONIC can be used regardless of the type of medium. It is suitable for cultivation in potting soil and hydro culture. RHIZOTONIC is often sprayed on leaves and can be used as a simple means for raising the pH level in fertilizer tanks.
Root stimulant

RHIZOTONIC adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speeds up the growth of a balanced root environment. Various trace elements and vitamins such as B1&B2 have been added to RHIZOTONIC in to stimulate the plant production of hormones and root growth, thus providing better and stronger roots.
Vital plants

Good results start with a healthy plant. There are many different ways of stimulating plants aside from a healthy balance of EC levels, acidity, temperature, air and light. RHIZOTONIC does so during and in the rooting and growing phase. Another important element in RHIZOTONIC is the root-strengthening hormone Oligosaccharide. Scientifi c research has shown its benefi cial effect in the creation of root cells without any negative side effects. Your plants will be certain to get beautiful, strong white roots with RHIZOTONIC.
Benefits of CANNA Rhizotonic:

• Aids in the immediate generation of lush, new root growth on cuttings and transplants.
• When used as a seed soak prior to planting, it will speed up the germination process.
• Enhances overall plant growth and chemical reactions in the plant to ensure a healthier, powerful and stronger plant.
• Aids in the recovery process of any plant or cutting that has been subjected to stress in any way whatsoever.
 
tehgenoc1de

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Man, my clones look like shit lately. All falling over and wilting. I haven't done anything different, my clones used to be great. Maybe it's too hot for them? 80-85 Or this strain just hates getting cut.

Ah actually yeah I've been out of Rhizo for a bit, perhaps it helps that much..
 
AzCannaMan

AzCannaMan

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tehgenoc1de said:
Man, my clones look like shit lately. All falling over and wilting. I haven't done anything different, my clones used to be great. Maybe it's too hot for them? 80-85 Or this strain just hates getting cut.

Ah actually yeah I've been out of Rhizo for a bit, perhaps it helps that much..
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Eh 80 -85 is about where im at. It's 115 outside so cooling off the growroom is a real bitch. I really do <3 the Rhizo, probably on of the only products other then Superthrive that I have personally experienced results you can clearly see. I dont really like Superthrive though, it makes them get deformed growth and whatnot if you overdo it. I haven't given the cuts any of it... Thought about it though lol
 
4 the love of ganja

4 the love of ganja

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AzCannaMan said:
Okay so I burned the little girls just a tiny bit. Let me explain, I have been only watering the media very sparingly, mostly from over spray of the mist. Having it too wet is detrimental to getting the cuts to root. So for the last 24 hours i have not misted them and kept a close eye letting everything dry out but not to the point of stressing or wilting any of them.

An extremely gentle tug on a few random cuts yesterday seems to reveal they all have at least some roots; just none showing on the outside of the cube yet.

So in order to help bring the roots out I let the plugs dry most of the way out, and did not mist for 24 hours so they would be really thirsty. Then I fed them with a rooting solution from the bottom of the plugs letting them wick up the rooting solution. I mixed it a bit heavy with Rhizotonic the equivalent of 20ml/gal which is a little beyond the max dosage (15ml/gal) Canna recommends for rooting. I'll post below about the Rhizo... Anyway 10ml of the Rhizo, and 1ml of A & B each into 1/2 gal of water, a few drops of CALiMAGic for Mg Ca and Fe then PH accordingly.

Fed them this morning, they seem to have a tiny bit of nute burn now. The tips where they were cut have been perfectly lush and green.

Do you think this means they have roots which will be busting out soon? I do!

There is some nice bright green new growth in the center of most of them as well...

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looking good so far Canna still nice and perky and green.
mine are at day 6 and unfortunately still no roots
 
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