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tyepoe

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So I'm using clonex and a cloning trey / hood. A few years ago I would clone by dipping the Clone in clonex and I would have 100% success rate no matter how much I watered or not. For some reason now, the first time in years, when taking clones they are taking forever to clone.

I tried taking clones a month ago and when nothing happened for a month I ripped them out of the rockwool and they all had little nubs but that was it.

The cloning tent is in the main veg room which is well cooled to 75 so maybe that had sonething to do with it.

I bought the pad warmer this time and moved trey to the closet so its not being cooled as much and I'm monster cloning but 3 weeks later and still nothing. Don't know if I got a bad batch of clonex or what... I just remember, from years ago, that cloning was super easy, as long as u dip then in clones and put in treys and wait ide have 100% success rate and now I can't get 1.

I have moved since then so maybe the apartment room / environment has something to do with it?

I'm going to buy a bunch of other cloning solutions today, does anyone know of any that are better or more reliable than clonex?
 
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GrowerGoneWild

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tyepoe said:
The cloning tent is in the main veg room which is well cooled to 75 so maybe that had sonething to do with it.

I bought the pad warmer this time and moved trey to the closet so its not being cooled as much and I'm monster cloning but 3 weeks later and still nothing. Don't know if I got a bad batch of clonex or what... I just remember, from years ago, that cloning was super easy, as long as u dip then in clones and put in treys and wait ide have 100% success rate and now I can't get 1.
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It seems like I had issues with old clonex. I just threw it out.

I know I have harder time getting clones to root when monster cloning (monster cropping?). Is there a secret sauce?.. I haven't found one. So I dont think you are alone on this one. I dont know how late you take your cuttings so that might have something to do with it.

If thats not difficult enough

You have to deal with the clone not reverting to veg.. This again is why I think 24/0 is good all around for clones.
if your trying to interupt the flower cycle, and to make life and space easier just put them all in 24/0.
 
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patrickkawi37

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I doubt it is the cloning gel.. A lot of times I don't even use cloning gel.There are a lot of different things that can fuck up clones. Ph is one of them. Some strains are very ph sensitive when It comes to rooting. 5.7-6.2 should be chill. If your ph is on.. Check your water temp. When you water them give them 66-68degrees. If that is on make sure they are getting proper light and temps. Make sure to use a humidity dome.. If your still having problems .. Roots excel, and voodoo juice is what I use. 95% success rate and I neglect the shit out of my clones. Good luck
 
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hyroot

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how was the plant you took the clones from? if its root bound, yellowing, under watered, over watered, revegged, in a juvenile state. wood like cuts ( not flimsy) All those factors can lead to poor cloning
 
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tyepoe

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Thanks for the replies guys!

The photo attached is what one looks like now... I did this a month ago from clones that were also 1 month along with no roots and they looked exactly like this... For some reason the clonex, or my environment, is not letting the roots get passed this phase... It looks like if I kept them in the clone hood for a year they might clone but i dunno...

I have 6 different strain mothers I took these from and some are indica and some sativa so I know its not the strain alone... The mothers do have a bit of powdery mildew on them but the clones don't have it on them in the dome.

I think the ph of my tap water is around 7 which isn't crazy high but I could ph down my water a bit before watering them and dipping the rockwool in the water on the initial phase...

I got some "rooting compound" and "rootech" so I'll take another round of clones and see if it was the clonex alone, I might also buy an aerocloner and see if I have any luck with that. If I try what patrickkawi37 said, should I put a tiny bit of Roots Excel at the bottom of the hole in the rockwool and then dip and stick? That might be something interesting to try...

Also do you think I still might have luck with these clones if I take them out, stick them in the new rooting hormone and put them back in the rockwool??

Again I remember cloning being stupid simple and from two rounds of cloning failing completely it sounds crazy to even say but the only thing I can say is a bad batch of Clonex...
 

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hyroot

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tyepoe said:
Thanks for the replies guys!

The photo attached is what one looks like now... I did this a month ago from clones that were also 1 month along with no roots and they looked exactly like this... For some reason the clonex, or my environment, is not letting the roots get passed this phase... It looks like if I kept them in the clone hood for a year they might clone but i dunno...

I have 6 different strain mothers I took these from and some are indica and some sativa so I know its not the strain alone... The mothers do have a bit of powdery mildew on them but the clones don't have it on them in the dome.

I think the ph of my tap water is around 7 which isn't crazy high but I could ph down my water a bit before watering them and dipping the rockwool in the water on the initial phase...

I got some "rooting compound" and "rootech" so I'll take another round of clones and see if it was the clonex alone, I might also buy an aerocloner and see if I have any luck with that. If I try what patrickkawi37 said, should I put a tiny bit of Roots Excel at the bottom of the hole in the rockwool and then dip and stick? That might be something interesting to try...

Also do you think I still might have luck with these clones if I take them out, stick them in the new rooting hormone and put them back in the rockwool??

Again I remember cloning being stupid simple and from two rounds of cloning failing completely it sounds crazy to even say but the only thing I can say is a bad batch of Clonex...
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if the clone is from a flowering plant. It can take 4-6 weeks to root. then another 4 - 6 weeks to revert back to a vegative state
 
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tyepoe

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Hey thanks...

vostok it says I dont have permission to view...

Ya not only having cloning fails but I've never cloned from flowering plants either. I figure it would take a lot longer but I remember a couple years ago doing this I might even see roots like in a week, like it was stupid simple... after a month I figure I'd see roots around now, about 4 weeks but when I pulled one out of the rockwool it looked just like the ones from last month I took out of the rockwool when they didnt root like the pic above... like, 'it has the power' to at least start root cavities or whatever that mass is called but not enough power to start shooting roots out...

I bought a second dome for this month so I know its nothing to do with the dome / trey... I'll try using this other stuff on some tops that really need to be cut, I just really hope they root or else im gonna kill some nice tops (wheres the crossed fingers emogy? lmao)
 
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GrowerGoneWild

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tyepoe said:
Again I remember cloning being stupid simple and from two rounds of cloning failing completely it sounds crazy to even say but the only thing I can say is a bad batch of Clonex...
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You got 2 things working against you.

1) Top cut, its more likely to fail, I dont know why but it does... I've observed this in my cuts. For example when I do my very first cuts on a mom, they might be a top cut, and it just struggles to grow roots. Im not sure if it has something to do with auxins.

2) Cuttings during flower tend to have problems. I mentioned this before.. Cuttings taken this way take forever to root, this is where hormones should be used IMHO. Somebody mentioned 4-6 weeks for a cutting taken in bloom, I agree, I think it takes twice as long to root, and sometimes they bud out even under 24/0.

I have not found any special technique or treatment to get those kind of cuts to root faster.

I should have explained why I threw out my clonex.. it was simply old, somebody gave me a bottle of it and I used it every so often. I think I was having more failures with clonex but to be on the safe side I just tossed it.
 
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brimck325

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i've taken plenty of cuts in bloom n never noticed em taking longer to root, but i do hear this from others often. myth, i don't know. a buddy gave me a cut that he has a hard time rooting, this is the fastest rooting cut i ever had....so many variables.
 
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GrowerGoneWild

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brimck325 said:
i've taken plenty of cuts in bloom n never noticed em taking longer to root, but i do hear this from others often. myth, i don't know. a buddy gave me a cut that he has a hard time rooting, this is the fastest rooting cut i ever had....so many variables.
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You're kidding right?.. After it starts showing sex after a few weeks in bloom, I have a hard time getting it to stop flowering and they hardly like to take root.

Whats your secret sauce?.. I gotta know. I pull like 60+ cuts a month and I can tell that the flowered ones take forever to root.
 
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brimck325

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not sure dude, i don't do anything special. i do use only bloom nutes through out the life of my plants, from seedling to harvest.
 
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tyepoe

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BTW congrats everyone its now legal in 4 states and the capital, woop woop!

The last two times I soaked the rockwool in tap water for a few minutes so this time I'm going to ph it to around the low 6's, then dip and stick. I might try to dab Root Accel on the bottom of the rockwool hole on a few as well as solution.

You guys stick the stem into the rockwool hole and penetrate the bottom a bit so it sticks up, or just leave it in the bottom of the hole and tighten around the stem.. i stick it so it sticks up..

Anyway I'll update this is a bit with a experiment of the three solutions in a week or so.
 
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tyepoe

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I took a hell of a lot of clones last night so we'll see how the 5 strains do with the three types of dips.

In the meantime, finally good news after more than a month, the blue dream clones that where taken from two week old flowering plants are slowing showing roots. I think powdery mildew took over the initial clone batch i did that never rooted... must have been too much stress. I expect them all to root now but they are just taking a long time in my environment.

Again I'll update when these clones root
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Hey man check out the thread
how to clone with no gel or powders I showed a guy my homeade cloner
good luck
also to me it might have been your medium was too wet when they dont get enough air they choke out
 
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