Cloning weak stems = weak plants

seasmoke

seasmoke

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It may be the case that these dwarf stems might eventually grow into full plants if grown long enough. But when grown side by side with other plants they produce runts

Bullshit. complete fukkin bullshit.

Rick white that is complete utter bullshit. Maybe you actually ought to grow a plant before you speak.

 
Shrubs First

Shrubs First

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Cutting near the bottom of the plant is best.

The top of the plant has older hormones, and
the bottom has younger hormones, which will
root faster and produce more vigorous growth,
check your methods.
 
Shrubs First

Shrubs First

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RickWhite said:
It may be the case that these dwarf stems might eventually grow into full plants if grown long enough. But when grown side by side with other plants they produce runts. Vegging these three times as long is no use to me.

I'd be interested to see links showing plants cloned from a root or leaf - and I'm not talking about advanced lab techniques, I'm talking regular propagation. I have inserted fire fly DNA into a plant and made it glow. I'm sure just about anything can be done in a lab.
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Now that is what I call laughable....

You should change your name to RickRolled
 
EnkiGrower

EnkiGrower

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"I suspect that if you chopped your entire plant save for these dwarf stems, they still would grow only very sparsely and not very large. It is as if these stems are programed to remain tiny for some reason."


I actually dropped one of my plants and broke the main stem, all that was left was the dwarf stems. I let it grow to see what would happen. I now have two stems growing up as if I topped the plant.
I've made clones from some pretty skimpy branches and they have grown fine.
I was under the impression that three nodes can make a clone...although a friend of mine told me you weren't supposed to make clones from plants that weren't vegged for less then two months, I have. will that lead to problems later?
 
ink the world

ink the world

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purple voodoo#5 said:
ink the world said:
I cloned a small flower that had been pollinated and seeded. It took a while but that puny little clone rooted and developed into a nice Mom. She just went into flowering after giving me 11 clones, all rooting as we speak. Most of my clones are small, i find they root easier than the thicker stemmed cuttings.

Sorry Rick but based on my own personal experience your theory is off base.

Pic 1 is the little seeded cutting. Pic 2 is her after being chopped for cuttings, pic 3 is her cuttings.[/QUOTE
all of your clones look small so if you cut one that was considerably larger( i cut a good one at 6-9 inches) you would see what he is talking about.
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I have limited headroom in my flowering cab, I have to keep my plants short and bushy.

I have taken cuttings from larger stems, they also root for me, they just take longer. My op is perpetual and I need small plants for my small space.

My argument isnt that smaller cuttings are better, just that they are viable and will grow into decent plants.
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Mcgician

Mcgician

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IM OPINION, the larger your stem base, the larger the overall branching, and overall yield. I do have a college degree, but it's not in anything regarding horticulture or botany. All I have to draw from is personal experience, and tried and true techniques. I'm crazy, I'm sure of it.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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I'm not sure you guys are understanding what I am talking about when I refer to these shoots.

I am not talking about the smaller stems toward the bottom of the plant. I am talking about the minute little shoots that are so small they almost look like some sort of abnormal growth. They only get a few inches long and only develop tiny immature leaves about the size of a dime. They kind of look like something half way between a root and a branch.

But anyway, I'm just reporting what I have seen happen. I initially assumed that these shoots would regenerate and grow like any other. It didn't happen and I wound up with a runt. I do not know if vegging this runt extra long would allow it to catch up to the others. What I observed was that the plant grew normally in height (18"-24") but produced maybe a couple grams. This happened with the plant right along side her sisters in the same DWC tub as those that turned out great. Now, it could be the case that while these shoots posses the same DNA, their roll on the plant is not the same as the normal branches, and when cloned, this roll doesn't change. I have no other explanation.

Anyway, this is what happened, this was my observation, you may take from it what you will. For those who feel it necessary to chime in simply to tell me I'm full of shit or to pick a fight for no reason, you can go fuck yourselves.
 
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Bob Smith

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RickWhite said:
I'm not sure you guys are understanding what I am talking about when I refer to these shoots.

I am not talking about the smaller stems toward the bottom of the plant. I am talking about the minute little shoots that are so small they almost look like some sort of abnormal growth. They only get a few inches long and only develop tiny immature leaves about the size of a dime. They kind of look like something half way between a root and a branch.

But anyway, I'm just reporting what I have seen happen. I initially assumed that these shoots would regenerate and grow like any other. It didn't happen and I wound up with a runt. I do not know if vegging this runt extra long would allow it to catch up to the others. What I observed was that the plant grew normally in height (18"-24") but produced maybe a couple grams. This happened with the plant right along side her sisters in the same DWC tub as those that turned out great. Now, it could be the case that while these shoots posses the same DNA, their roll on the plant is not the same as the normal branches, and when cloned, this roll doesn't change. I have no other explanation.

Anyway, this is what happened, this was my observation, you may take from it what you will. For those who feel it necessary to chime in simply to tell me I'm full of shit or to pick a fight for no reason, you can go fuck yourselves.
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Dude, this really couldn't be much simpler.

When you take a 10" clone and a 4" clone from the same mother, the 10" will obviously perform better, grow faster, and yield more?

Why?

Because it has a fucking head start, dude - as a poster above said, it will grow exponentially as fast as the smaller clone with smaller leaves.

I don't need a degree in botany, it's pure common sense.

P.S. - root cloning is quite real, Google it.

*Disclaimer - I graduated with a dual major in finance and real estate and a dual minor in mathematics and statistics, but no horticultural degrees.
 
stoner1984

stoner1984

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RickWhite said:
It may be the case that these dwarf stems might eventually grow into full plants if grown long enough. But when grown side by side with other plants they produce runts. Vegging these three times as long is no use to me.
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Supprising really... a large clone taken off a developed part of a plant grows better and faster than a runtish part of the plant that is set to spend its new life further away from the light under the shade of its sisters.... i really cant understand why that would happen....

You should be a scientist or something.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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This plant was not light starved. In fact, I regularly move the larger plants to the edges and put the smaller ones directly below the light so they can catch up and I don't crowd plants. This was not simply a matter of being a bit behind. I'm telling you this plant just remained a runt.

Now I have noticed a high EC and did have some issues. It could be that this little plant was disproportionately affected. Either way, I will only be cloning strong branches from now on.
 
Shrubs First

Shrubs First

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Why would you clone a "weak" looking branch
in the first place, wouldn't you want your next
generation of ladies to be of the highest quality?

I just don't get what would possess you to come
to the conclusion like this.

Most people would look at a weak branch and say, I
am going to prune that or trim that off... not clone it.

Your clone is only as healthy as the plant or the part of
the plant you take it from. Why wouldn't you choose
a clone from a more appropriate site?
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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Shrubs First said:
Why would you clone a "weak" looking branch
in the first place, wouldn't you want your next
generation of ladies to be of the highest quality?

I just don't get what would possess you to come
to the conclusion like this.

Most people would look at a weak branch and say, I
am going to prune that or trim that off... not clone it.

Your clone is only as healthy as the plant or the part of
the plant you take it from. Why wouldn't you choose
a clone from a more appropriate site?
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Because I thought any part of the plant would regenerate like any other and didn't want to cut off good branches.

Another cause of this dwarf issue might be that these branches might have some growth inhibiting hormones that slow them down.

Anyway, lesson learned.
 
seasmoke

seasmoke

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"I'm not sure you guys are understanding what I am talking about when I refer to these shoots.

I am not talking about the smaller stems toward the bottom of the plant. I am talking about the minute little shoots that are so small they almost look like some sort of abnormal growth. They only get a few inches long and only develop tiny immature leaves

Anyway, this is what happened, this was my observation, you may take from it what you will. For those who feel it necessary to chime in simply to tell me I'm full of shit or to pick a fight for no reason, you can go fuck yourselves."-Rick White


Rick, had you made yourself clear, you'd have less ridicule. Common sence my friend,common sence. No disrespect
 
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