Clu058 1825 vs Quamtum board

[Mariometal]

I wanted to know what is more effective for me, they sell me a real 600w equipment, they are 4 clu058 - 1825 (1400 usd) , I was looking at the hlg550 or set up another configuration, which I recommend, they assure that with the clu058-1825 in 120x120 have 1000 PPFD at 50 cms.(1000 even).

 

[coreywebster]

Funny enough that's what I had in my flower tent.

700 ish watts of clu058 1825s in 4x4
and on the other side
2x 260w Quantum board kits combined covering 4x4.

Apart from the wattage difference I was running 9 clu058s to get that 700w.

I can tell you this, the HLG550 will be more efficient and cover better than 4 cobs powered hard to give 600w.

I can also tell you that the Quantum board kits I use produced less than 10% less dried buds for a good chunk less power.

I don't know who you are buying from that charges $1400 for 4x citizen clu058 1825s but that's a crazy price.

Who is offering the 600w clu058 light at that price? Are you sure its only 4 cobs ?

Edit, it would be worth looking at the 600w QB kit growers lights offer, its cheaper than the hlg550

 

[Mariometal]

Funny enough that's what I had in my flower tent.

700 ish watts of clu058 1825s in 4x4
and on the other side
2x 260w Quantum board kits combined covering 4x4.

Apart from the wattage difference I was running 9 clu058s to get that 700w.

I can tell you this, the HLG550 will be more efficient and cover better than 4 cobs powered hard to give 600w.

I can also tell you that the Quantum board kits I use produced less than 10% less dried buds for a good chunk less power.

I don't know who you are buying from that charges $1400 for 4x citizen clu058 1825s but that's a crazy price.

Who is offering the 600w clu058 light at that price? Are you sure its only 4 cobs ?

Edit, it would be worth looking at the 600w QB kit growers lights offer, its cheaper than the hlg550

thank you for your answer and it is clear to me that to choose, in fact they are 4 cob, the seller assures that they are better than the hl550, because they give more ppfd to 50cms 1000 even

 

[coreywebster]

No problem. The seller is flat out lying to you im afraid. It takes a lot to power 4 of those cobs to get that wattage and because of that they will lose a lot of efficiency. Which defeats the purpose.

Have you tried this site for EU Quantum board sales?

https://www.todogrowled.com/gb/17-hlg-quantum-boards

BTW there is very few lights better than the HLG products. Certainly not those cobs powered so hard.

 

[Mariometal]

No problem. The seller is flat out lying to you im afraid. It takes a lot to power 4 of those cobs to get that wattage and because of that they will lose a lot of efficiency. Which defeats the purpose.

Have you tried this site for EU Quantum board sales?

https://www.todogrowled.com/gb/17-hlg-quantum-boards

BTW there is very few lights better than the HLG products. Certainly not those cobs powered so hard.

this sends me the seller to 50 cms that exceeds the hlg550, I will review the links that sent me thank you very much for your help

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1526416240806973&id=1038985216216747

 

[Mariometal]

This answered the seller
sorry the quality of translation :

Mario Echeverría Laforet but that gringo is speculating with 10% of the necessary information, the only data you give is a chip which also does not even know what we use our concept integrates about 4 chips as a whole to be complemented ... Little by little everything will be added ... There is nothing of the advantages that are gained with what we have done, it is demonstrated, that the gringo says that it is not possible is proved, just as in that forum they say in other threads that you can not connect cobs independently without having problems that a black cob can connect the ones you want like. You want and distribute them as. You want everything to be self regulated, everything protected against the risks of a type of connection like this that allows all these advantages that give clear gains reflected in the footprint and results ... Obviously here we will be demeaned by being Chilean, but here we are developing and optimizing the system at levels that the gringos have not yet ... I have been following these forums for more than 10 years now. Cabros of the kits, there are more technical threads where the. Particularities of what we work and nowhere is solved .. There they will base everything on their theory and more than standardized but there you see what he says is impossible here what we have shown .. In the. Expo everyone could see the live measurement, who attend the. Expo copa del. Thunder this weekend can also see it .... Here we have not based on experiences or foreign theory ... And we have overcome the footprint comfortably, the hlg550 there is no where to lose by compa if the numbers are there on the table not it is based on what is discussed ... Incomplete information and experiences of others ..

 

[nfhiggs]

Obviously here we will be demeaned by being Chilean,

LOL - gotta throw that race card out....

How the fuck would any of us know (or even care) that they are Chilean?

Apparently they have some magic process that makes 4 heavily driven COBs somehow make more photons, that we stupid gringos don't know about.

Fuck this lying asshole.

 

[Chirulazo]

LOL - gotta throw that race card out....

How the fuck would any of us know (or even care) that they are Chilean?

Apparently they have some magic process that makes 4 heavily driven COBs somehow make more photons, that we stupid gringos don't know about.

Fuck this lying asshole.

Hey bro, sorry to have to meet you in this terms, this guy over here is totally taking me out of context and making this whole thing out of his personal hate to our work... He is a hater of our work and will use any chance he has to try to harm our work. Now i found this, and one thing i totally appreciate from you guys is the objective approach and sake for the arguments. I hope you can see how a totally out of context comment from another discussion has nothing to do here, even less with that poor translation that totally distorts the message.

Never i implied that we were not to be considered by you for being chilean, that comment was not even addressed to you here guys... Who are going to try and harm our work ia going to be chileans themselves, thats what i meant with that, here ita common to consider foreign works to be better and theres also a common expression here called chaquetero reffered to all people who throws shit over our own peoplea jobs and it is a common thing to happen here when someone chilean does something, other chileans go and take a shit over those peoples job is something everyone has to fight over here when they want to do something they will have a lot of poeple throwing hate around it is our cultural context.

Also i didnt meant to say that you had no idea, just that with the 10% info offered by this guy regarding our work, you would not have even 10%of the details needes to make a good analysis, despite the outcome.

Finally, regarding price, he is totally forgetting to mention this is a project from Chile, our costs and taxes are a lot higher and our set up includes a lot of extras that add a lot of costs and stuff that couodnt be considered by you guys since you are not aware of our countries context to pull something like this.

Weve pulled some numbers and in your country our F600 set up should be around the USD 900 more less... That happens for taking things out of context and out of where they belong and also totally missleading that translation.

I hope you can understand how unfair it is for us to have our words being used intentionally to harm our job by a person who consistenly over time haa been looking for ways to harm us... Look now he is distorting this into some sort of discussion in which we say you gringos will diminish us for being chilean, i wasnt even addressing to you guys in that comment, this is very unpleasant to face, even more for the origin of it that is an intention to harm us nothing more than that.

Hope you can see throught the hate wanting to be spread. I never had the intention to refer to you in any way, thoaw words where to question this guy's actions nothing to do with you i didnt even know i was gonna be exposed here and even less with that total distortion of my message.

Feel free to reply, i would be happy to clear this mess driven by someone who seeks to harm our project in any way he can, even taking it to this point to take diacussions happening in chile totally our of context so to give more heat to it.

So sad guys i admire your work, learned so much over here over the years....

This strikes me in a so unfair way, but what can you do when someone consistenly seeks to harm your work and build this kind of messy level of diacussion everywhere.

I appologize for the bad vibe all this carries, certainly not the way i would like to address a serious discussion thata why u usually dont talk about someone who isnt present and even less if u gonna take him out of context and distort meaning of his words.

Have a nice day people

 

[nfhiggs]

Hey bro, sorry to have to meet you in this terms, this guy over here is totally taking me out of context and making this whole thing out of his personal hate to our work... He is a hater of our work and will use any chance he has to try to harm our work. Now i found this, and one thing i totally appreciate from you guys is the objective approach and sake for the arguments. I hope you can see how a totally out of context comment from another discussion has nothing to do here, even less with that poor translation that totally distorts the message.

Never i implied that we were not to be considered by you for being chilean, that comment was not even addressed to you here guys... Who are going to try and harm our work ia going to be chileans themselves, thats what i meant with that, here ita common to consider foreign works to be better and theres also a common expression here called chaquetero reffered to all people who throws shit over our own peoplea jobs and it is a common thing to happen here when someone chilean does something, other chileans go and take a shit over those peoples job is something everyone has to fight over here when they want to do something they will have a lot of poeple throwing hate around it is our cultural context.

Also i didnt meant to say that you had no idea, just that with the 10% info offered by this guy regarding our work, you would not have even 10%of the details needes to make a good analysis, despite the outcome.

Finally, regarding price, he is totally forgetting to mention this is a project from Chile, our costs and taxes are a lot higher and our set up includes a lot of extras that add a lot of costs and stuff that couodnt be considered by you guys since you are not aware of our countries context to pull something like this.

Weve pulled some numbers and in your country our F600 set up should be around the USD 900 more less... That happens for taking things out of context and out of where they belong and also totally missleading that translation.

I hope you can understand how unfair it is for us to have our words being used intentionally to harm our job by a person who consistenly over time haa been looking for ways to harm us... Look now he is distorting this into some sort of discussion in which we say you gringos will diminish us for being chilean, i wasnt even addressing to you guys in that comment, this is very unpleasant to face, even more for the origin of it that is an intention to harm us nothing more than that.

Hope you can see throught the hate wanting to be spread. I never had the intention to refer to you in any way, thoaw words where to question this guy's actions nothing to do with you i didnt even know i was gonna be exposed here and even less with that total distortion of my message.

Feel free to reply, i would be happy to clear this mess driven by someone who seeks to harm our project in any way he can, even taking it to this point to take diacussions happening in chile totally our of context so to give more heat to it.

So sad guys i admire your work, learned so much over here over the years....

This strikes me in a so unfair way, but what can you do when someone consistenly seeks to harm your work and build this kind of messy level of diacussion everywhere.

I appologize for the bad vibe all this carries, certainly not the way i would like to address a serious discussion thata why u usually dont talk about someone who isnt present and even less if u gonna take him out of context and distort meaning of his words.

Have a nice day people

Fair enough. My apologies. Good luck with your work my friend. Would like the see the details and specs on your build.

 

[diyled]

I don't get it, is he trying to blag his way out of talking shit?

Spot ppfd measurements are a joke, in fact, comparing lights by ppfd numbers is a bit of a joke imo.

I dunno about you but my canopy isn't a 2d surface lol

 

[Cx2H]

Couple of long text walls of wtf up there..

I personally don't care if you are Venusians, Martians, people from an uncharted desert isle.

Facts are facts. Personal experience is personal experience..

1400 is ridiculous.

 

[wietefras]

I can also tell you that the Quantum board kits I use produced less than 10% less dried buds for a good chunk less power.

10% less yield costs a hell of a lot more than the savings in electricity though.

Did you hang the COB fixture a lot lower than the QB fixture? Say 10" versus 18" for the QB.

 

[coreywebster]

10% less yield costs a hell of a lot more than the savings in electricity though.

Did you hang the COB fixture a lot lower than the QB fixture? Say 10" versus 18" for the QB.

This is true.

A bit closer on the cob side, due to the lack of lenses they didn't mind the closeness. Maybe 4" closer, just a guess. I noticed the QB side had to be raised within a few days of setting them up.

Its difficult to compare the two sides on numbers alone, since its perpetual so each set of plants might of got slightly different veg time or trained slightly different. They go in there when there is a crop chopped, you know how that goes, its ready when its ready.

Both sides rocked.

 

[Chirulazo]

This has become really disgusting guys... Been part of this community a long time now and i have had a great experience here, all this mess driven by a guy who is totally taking things to a personal level to harm our work. Check his profile, he has been member just for a few months and his 5 messages are all just to harm our work.

I advice you not to comment here unless you want your words being used in a discussion far away from here, your posts are also being copied and pasted over there, this guy is building a totally messy thing with distorted translations and out of context comments, only seeking to harm.

You know we are the first LED manufacturer ever to rise here in Chile, some people just dont understand how it is to run a business over here. We are in the last corner of the planet, shipping and custom costs are high, plus seller taxes here rise up to even the 20%... We dont have the conditions here to pull a project like this as it would be there where you guys are at.

Just picture this, the standard retailer here sells 150w of the 3070s at a price of 650 dollars, imagine the 600w of regular 3070s would rise up to even the US2,600.

They sell cheap chinesse panels even more expennssive. The context here is totally different, much more expenssive and underdeveloped than at your place.

We are making efforts to bring better tech at almost half the price you find here for much lower equipment, plus we add value to it by adding a lot of work done by us, handmade inox steele parts, certified cords and connectors, exclusive enclosures built by us to give out a better product, legally and with warranty.

This guy has no idea what it is to run such an operation over here, he doesnt even have his own arguments to discuss thats why he comes here distorting words to get approval and return with your comments and paste them in that other diacussion taking place in chile, building a whole mess, taking everyone out of context, he is just a social media hater seeking to harm.

I hope you can see whats really going on here, you can check my background on this community in my profile, always looked for a well driven discussion and this is certainly not the way to address such a discussion.

I appeal to your good reasoning and i really appologize for all this, never been part of such a low level of discussion in this community, but what can you do when people act like this.

I again advice you not to comment, your words, just as mine, are being used intentionally to drive other kind of personal dispute which you guys are not even part of, i guess nobody here wants to be part of this low vibe discussion.

Me i dont want any of it, really disgusting thing to face.

And just for the sake of the facts. The model he is talking abput goes for 1,300 here in Chile, not 1,400, and also, for you guys would be around the 1,050 and if our operation was to be runing over there we could reach around the 900.... But we are in Chile, our company is only 2 yrs old, we are making a huge effort and backed up work to deliver better equipment for people here and for fair prices given our country's context. So sad all of this, so much time and work invested in this to be harmed in this way by a guy who has a lot of time to spare.

Sorry for such long text but i feel i own a right to defend myself from this bad intentioned actions driven by this guy

Hope you all having a nice day

 

[Mariometal]

I still do not understand why.
X4 https://cobkits.com/product/citizen-clu058-1825-90cri/
X4 https://cobkits.com/product/iceled/
X1 driver https://cobkits.com/product/apv-12-12-12v-driver-for-fans/
X1 driver ($100~120usd)

around 400 usd when quoted a while ago to the owner of this page.... suppose that someone who sells gets a wholesale price..

*they say are even more efficient than the Quantum boards ... running at 150w each citizen clu-058 1825....

It is strange that now defend himself but do not expose any technical data because they know here.

My intention is not to get you wrong, just put your feet on the ground.

 

[nfhiggs]

I still do not understand why.
X4 https://cobkits.com/product/citizen-clu058-1825-90cri/
X4 https://cobkits.com/product/iceled/
X1 driver https://cobkits.com/product/apv-12-12-12v-driver-for-fans/
X1 driver ($100~120usd)

around 400 usd when quoted a while ago to the owner of this page.... suppose that someone who sells gets a wholesale price..

*they say are even more efficient than the Quantum boards ... running at 150w each citizen clu-058 1825....

It is strange that now defend himself but do not expose any technical data because they know here.

My intention is not to get you wrong, just put your feet on the ground.

He is in Chile, Cobkits is in the US. You can't just directly compare the two.

 

[Chirulazo]

He is in Chile, Cobkits is in the US. You can't just directly compare the two.

Thanks bro for keeping objectivity.

This guy is really talking out of his lack of knowledge regarding the topic.

Ive explained him several times that the components he is mentioning represent only a fraction of the pieces needed to build our system and also we use other components as well for our set ups.

What he is totally missing is to add all additional costs to it, shipping, customs, seller taxes that as i told rise up to near the 20% over here.

We build handmade extra parts for the system using high quality materials, inox steele, certified high quality cords and connectors, also build our own exclusive enclosures that all of it offers unique advantages to the system, i guess he thinks all of that is given as a gift for us and represent no further costs which is an idea totally born from his lack of knowledge and experience regarding the both technical and commercial matters behind pulling something like this in Chile.

Well we also have operational costs as every business, salaries, bills, legal costs and every cost any operation has to handle.

Apparently he also does not understand an operation as this HAS to make some profit to survive in time in the market, seems he expects we do the job for free.

You know, you just wont find ANY system in the established market over here that can really compete us. Thats why we have grown pretty fast in our country offering for the first time a real high end led fixture manufactured here in Chile. As i told above, almost every option here comes with heavy downgrade and many of them even more expenssive.

He wants to compare us to totally different conditions, hard for who tries to sell a system of this nature here in Chile to come up with better prices for the quality and performance offered, i would like to see it, many say its a piece of cake, but from the comfort of their chair, not having taken even a single step in that direction.

Theres a reason why theres no commercial LED fixture that can compare to ours in Chile, this is fruit of heavy work to deliver a good quality product to people over here. Our customers are fully pleased and happy, we offer great warranty and assitance for them, so much work involved this guy just dont want to understand, taking things even to this point.

Im so embarrassed by all this, totally not the spirit of our project.

This has been explained several times to this guy but he just wont stop. Many times he has pasted same stuff as an argument, never offers his owns, i really dont know how else to handle this any more.

As for techical aspects of our work, this is not the discussion in which i would like to show you our work guys, even less with this guy here who will always use my words against us and anything he can grab to harm us.

Not a good atmosphere to share info in this thread, really sorry for all of this, totally far from the spirit ive always felt in this community.

Thanks for reading my statements and consider my arguments.

Good vibes people

 

[Chirulazo]

X1 driver ($100~120usd)

around 400 usd when quoted a while ago to the owner of this page.... suppose that someone who sells gets a wholesale price..

100 to 120 usd the driver? The driver alone is US200 in that website, without shipping, custom costs and taxes. What a waste, this guy doesnt even know what we use, how we use it, what real costs we have, nothing... I dont know how we ended up discussing this over here... So disgusting but at least i got to meet a few more people in this forum.

 

[diyled]

He is in Chile, Cobkits is in the US. You can't just directly compare the two.

Same with the UK. I pay near 25% in import/vat. New range of nutes were hoping to sell is 30% import/vat fees. The there's shipping. Heatsinks from china cost 50% of the parts costs to ship, then we pay the taxes on that so a 100 dollar item goes 150 with shipping then 200 with taxes.

 

[Chirulazo]

Same with the UK. I pay near 25% in import/vat. New range of nutes were hoping to sell is 30% import/vat fees. The there's shipping. Heatsinks from china cost 50% of the parts costs to ship, then we pay the taxes on that so a 100 dollar item goes 150 with shipping then 200 with taxes.

Exactly bro, that kind of numbers im talking about that you HAVE to add to the math when considering costs of your operation.

Here some even question us because you can ask the chinesse distributor to declare a lower invoice and skip customs and get better prices, like if we as a legal operation could count on those resources to cut out costs.

Some people here in my country just dont seem to understand whats involved behind a LEGAL business, assuming the importation, development, manufacturing, selling, distribution and after sale and warranty service for this type of products.

Good luck with your work.