Club 315w lec

NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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So I'm about to make the purchase on 4 cmh's and I have a couple questions that maybe someone could answer. From everything I've gathered the phillips lamps in 3100k are the choice. The sun systems that they come with on growers house are a bit pricey.

Would I be losing that much running the phillips in the growers choice 315 hood and ballast? Par/efficiency ect. Since the manufactures say they work best with "their own bulbs"

The other option I was considering is the double hooded sun system fixture. growershouse.com/sun-system-diamond-lec-630-277-volt-w-3100k-lamps?amp=1

I have a 4 foot wide canopy area so I plan on running them, two lamps deep, width wise.

I appreciate any and all help
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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NugHeuser said:
So I'm about to make the purchase on 4 cmh's and I have a couple questions that maybe someone could answer. From everything I've gathered the phillips lamps in 3100k are the choice. The sun systems that they come with on growers house are a bit pricey.

Would I be losing that much running the phillips in the growers choice 315 hood and ballast? Par/efficiency ect. Since the manufactures say they work best with "their own bulbs"

The other option I was considering is the double hooded sun system fixture. growershouse.com/sun-system-diamond-lec-630-277-volt-w-3100k-lamps?amp=1

I have a 4 foot wide canopy area so I plan on running them, two lamps deep, width wise.

I appreciate any and all help
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Frankly, I think @Carolina Dream'n is showing us how it's done. The closer you emulate his setup with CMH, the better you'll do.
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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ttystikk said:
Frankly, I think @Carolina Dream'n is showing us how it's done. The closer you emulate his setup with CMH, the better you'll do.
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Yeah I was just checking out his pics too to see what he's running. Those are some impressive gpw numbers. I'll be happy with 1 gpw until I get things more dialed in.

I see most people running the sun system lec's with phillips lamps over competitors though so I'm just going to go with the sun system, it will pay for itself in the end. Will be well worth it, surely.
I'm going to check out the models that it looks like he's running too before making a choice.
Thanks for your reply.
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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NugHeuser said:
Yeah I was just checking out his pics too to see what he's running. Those are some impressive gpw numbers. I'll be happy with 1 gpw until I get things more dialed in.

I see most people running the sun system lec's with phillips lamps over competitors though so I'm just going to go with the sun system, it will pay for itself in the end. Will be well worth it, surely.
I'm going to check out the models that it looks like he's running too before making a choice.
Thanks for your reply.
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It's the sun system 315. Vertical bulb. They only have one other model and it's the commercial one with horizontal bulbs.
 
MichiganMedGrower

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NugHeuser said:
So I'm about to make the purchase on 4 cmh's and I have a couple questions that maybe someone could answer. From everything I've gathered the phillips lamps in 3100k are the choice. The sun systems that they come with on growers house are a bit pricey.

Would I be losing that much running the phillips in the growers choice 315 hood and ballast? Par/efficiency ect. Since the manufactures say they work best with "their own bulbs"

The other option I was considering is the double hooded sun system fixture. growershouse.com/sun-system-diamond-lec-630-277-volt-w-3100k-lamps?amp=1

I have a 4 foot wide canopy area so I plan on running them, two lamps deep, width wise.

I appreciate any and all help
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Growers House sells a remote sun system open reflector vertical mount designed mostly like the more expensive all in one unit for $115. And they include it with their prism ballast in a package for around 300 dollars.

The difference from the top of the line reflector is the whole inside is pebbled aluminum and the all in one has mirror finish reflector and pebbled together and with German brand names.

The remote Chinese made but still had the quality of the all in one.

I have that and the Galaxy ballast with a Phillips bulb for about $350 delivered.

There are quite a few other options but sun systems seems to have the highest quality builds out there. Hydrofarm stuff seems kinda cheap next to it.

In my opinion anyway.

Oh and any ballast made for the new 2 pin base 315 cmh is square wave. The term is actually low frequency ballast. Rather than high frequency we use for hps. High has a stuttered spiky power flow in a graph and low has much steadier delivery. That is how they get more par from the new hotter burning gasses.

Hotter gasses in bulb equals more light per watt.
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Growers House sells a remote sun system open reflector vertical mount designed mostly like the more expensive all in one unit for $115. And they include it with their prism ballast in a package for around 300 dollars.

The difference from the top of the line reflector is the whole inside is pebbled aluminum and the all in one has mirror finish reflector and pebbled together and with German brand names.

The remote Chinese made but still had the quality of the all in one.

I have that and the Galaxy ballast with a Phillips bulb for about $350 delivered.

There are quite a few other options but sun systems seems to have the highest quality builds out there. Hydrofarm stuff seems kinda cheap next to it.

In my opinion anyway.

Oh and any ballast made for the new 2 pin base 315 cmh is square wave. The term is actually low frequency ballast. Rather than high frequency we use for hps. High has a stuttered spiky power flow in a graph and low has much steadier delivery. That is how they get more par from the new hotter burning gasses.

Hotter gasses in bulb equals more light per watt.
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Well said. I'll look into that then. Big savings at 3 lights.
At this point I'm thinking one light deep side by side. Much like Carolina's is. If I have a half foot more narrow canopy that's fine, the light will be used better that way.
Already have one growers choice de 630 @3kr. I like it, but it's a big hot spot then dumps off quick. I think im going to get 3 more of the 315s we talked about, with my 630. My area is 9'10" wall to wall and I have panda film out 4 feet with equipment and what not on the other 5 feet of the room.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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NugHeuser said:
Well said. I'll look into that then. Big savings at 3 lights.
At this point I'm thinking one light deep side by side. Much like Carolina's is. If I have a half foot more narrow canopy that's fine, the light will be used better that way.
Already have one growers choice de 630 @3kr. I like it, but it's a big hot spot then dumps off quick. I think im going to get 3 more of the 315s we talked about, with my 630. My area is 9'10" wall to wall and I have panda film out 4 feet with equipment and what not on the other 5 feet of the room.
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In my experience a single 315 can flower 2.5' x 2.5' as well as as possible but plants outside that area tend to lean in and crowd each other.

When I run multiple 315's I will use 3x3 squares for placement.

No need for two in a 4x4 more like 4x6 would be effective.

Save some more money man.

Personally I think a 600 hps and a 315 cmh over a 4x6 area would be perfect. The 315's made nice compact colorful plants but not as dense or as high quality as combined with hps.

Just like the connisour growers have always used 2 to 1 hps to mh.

1.5 grams per watt from a 315 is still a lot less than 1 per watt from a 600. My 315 next to the hps yielded 30% less. Just like the math says.

Again. Just my experience. I tested all year from last November to about July when my room got too hot for 3 lamps.

Plenty of pics and info from my trials in this thread back then.

Also. I have gone back to hps only. (Hortilux super) and the potency has actually gone up from the stuff I thought was frostier and better under the 315.

It looked better but less watts is less no matter what invested buyers say.

I will use a combination of lamps with more hps for flowering In future builds.

I know a few pros growing real big. They use de 1000 and a 315 Phillips per table.

THe university of Michigan has shown that too much blue light while great for leafy greens is not right for flowering annuals. They suggest red with a little blue. Keeps plants green and healthy but has better flower response.

The spectrum on the 315 3100k is mostly right but could use more red peak to offset the balanced spectrum in my testing too.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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NugHeuser said:
So I gotta ask this, what's the difference in these bulbs standing vertical or laying horizontal?
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Both sun system and Phillips reported higher par when tested vertical in the properly designed reflector.

Cycloptics has the most info on their website and a reflector designed with Phillips early on like sun system.

https://www.cycloptics.com/greenbeams

Good links for the university of Utah spectral graphs on different light sources at the bottom of the page.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Both sun system and Phillips reported higher par when tested vertical in the properly designed reflector.

Cycloptics has the most info on their website and a reflector designed with Phillips early on like sun system.

https://www.cycloptics.com/greenbeams

Good links for the university of Utah spectral graphs on different light sources at the bottom of the page.
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A thread over at IC tested the phantom and cycloptics greenbeams and concluded the phantoms were better if you were gonna use only one or two, the greenbeams better for a larger number of lights.
 
NugHeuser

NugHeuser

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Growers House sells a remote sun system open reflector vertical mount designed mostly like the more expensive all in one unit for $115. And they include it with their prism ballast in a package for around 300 dollars.

The difference from the top of the line reflector is the whole inside is pebbled aluminum and the all in one has mirror finish reflector and pebbled together and with German brand names.

The remote Chinese made but still had the quality of the all in one.

I have that and the Galaxy ballast with a Phillips bulb for about $350 delivered.

There are quite a few other options but sun systems seems to have the highest quality builds out there. Hydrofarm stuff seems kinda cheap next to it.

In my opinion anyway.

Oh and any ballast made for the new 2 pin base 315 cmh is square wave. The term is actually low frequency ballast. Rather than high frequency we use for hps. High has a stuttered spiky power flow in a graph and low has much steadier delivery. That is how they get more par from the new hotter burning gasses.

Hotter gasses in bulb equals more light per watt.
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Is this the setup you're talking about about for 350? I clicked on the ballast to make sure it was a low frequency square wave and all it said was square wave

https://growershouse.com/sun-system-lec-315-ra-cmh-remote-reflector?amp=1
 

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