MichiganMedGrower
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The buds under the 600 HPS air cooled sealed reflectors are 18"-22" and the buds under the 315 LEC open reflector are now at 16"-18".
I adjust for relaxed leaf happiness as much as possible.
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I adjust for relaxed leaf happiness as much as possible.
DemonTrich
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Veg and flower are about 1.5 to 2' max in my rooms. They seem happy
MichiganMedGrower
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I only have 1515 watts total in my flower room. 3 lamps in a 9' x 7' room. The footprints are 3.5' x 7' under the 2 air cooled 600's and about 2.75' x 2.75' under the 315 in an "L" shape.
You have more reflectors don't you? Has to play into the light height.
Also I am using very direct down reflectors the overlap is minor. Do your hoods have a strong overlap? That would allow higher light placement too I think.
DemonTrich
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I run 3x315 940 in veg plus 4x4' 4 bulb t8 (6500k) on the sides of the hoods. In flower I run 4x315 930.
MichiganMedGrower
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I must have better ventilation than I think.
I can't find the link but a company printed the max par on the sun system LEC was at 16"
And they were using 3' centered spacing. They said 2.5 x 2.5' was it for proper flowering. And at that point they say it competes with a Hortilux 600 Super HPS at equal yield but higher quality.
From my observations so far next to the HPS lamps I agree with the information.
DemonTrich
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So far I'm LOVING it. Less ac usage, but it's winter as well. Got the super frost going, but I also use terpinator. All perfectly green leaves. No deficiencies as of yet, knock on wood. I'll know come harvest time or a week earlier if it's better or not.
Yodaweed
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If you looking for a cheap organic alternative to terpenator try using langbenite , it works great.
MichiganMedGrower
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Isn't that what they extract humic acid from?
Yodaweed
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Not exactly sure, it's potash of sulfate .
DemonTrich
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Dr who posted the ingredients to make terpinator and sweet n raw (sugar daddy) But I have no time to source them. Easier just to buy the bottles
MichiganMedGrower
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Yeah I agree. I have no problem buying bottled products. But I also think both of those products are a waste of money For a container grow.
DemonTrich
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The proof is in the frost. It helps all but 1 of 15 strains I run. Well worth the $$ imo.
MichiganMedGrower
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If added pk or sulfer helps in any way you were missing enough of those elements somehow.
And in a peat lite type mix the plants don't uptake what you are pouring in unless the soil releases it. Most of the salts like that just build up.
So maybe if the conditions are right you are seeing what you think you are seeing.
Yodaweed
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Sulfur is very important for terpene production, i use langbenite and garden gypsum, HUGE increase in flavors and essential oils.
MichiganMedGrower
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Sulfer is needed as a trace element with many others. It is all just like vitamins for the plant. Environment and genetics and a good grow is what does everything. The plant does not need an excess of anything and can not use it.
There is sulfer in my soil water and nutes. Adding more is needless. Except to the sellers of gardening additives.
Yodaweed
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Yea definitely don't use too much sulfur it tends to burn the plant, i use my amendments when i make my soil. It cooks for a few months in my garage to get the microbes going and cool it down.
MichiganMedGrower
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And you likely need all of the stuff you put in. But saying an additive makes more terps. Or more trichs. Or even more plant. Is just not how it works.
Now the light spectrum and uv stuff. Science and results are showing something there.
But a complete nutrient profile for an individual plant type is all that is needed. We will know the proper NPK and micros soon enough from legal weed. Just like the corn farmers know exactly what their corn needs. The differences in flavor and such is from breeding. Not feeding.
And the farmers will say that the "sugar water" or something is their secret just like us. But they are mistaken as well.
It's not so much that some soils are better for plants. Just that some are lacking what they need. And when we add the missing ingredient and the magic happens. We come here and post what we saw. Like we did something special.
I guess that's what Bro science is. I never heard the term until I came here.
Yodaweed
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Building a complete soil is definitely something that takes some practice and trial and error, i been making my own mix for like 2 years now and i think i am finally getting good at it.
MichiganMedGrower
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I have a feeling I will head in this direction myself. My problem is I am sure that my custom feeding every different plant in my garden separately is the reason for my increasing results in potency and yield.
I mix a seperate gallon for every plant that needs it. And never water any plant early. I set them aside every day and rotate them.
This is the key to my results.
The better I do each time with each plant the better the product gets and weight.
How will I mix the super soil unless I choose 1 strain and practice?
That's why I still do a hybrid with bottle of nutes.
full of purple
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About 10 days before I run my 315 yay