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Glad the sun is out for ya, OutdoorIndica my sun has gone awol again....more rain, when will it ever stop.....

Outdoorindica said:

Hello everyone, pretty nice day outside today, its the 1st day of week 2 12/12 for me, I will try to get some pictures up later to show my progress. Feeding with fox farm big bloom right now, next feeding will be stronger with that, then after that it will be a flush if needed, then big bloom and tiger bloom together, until the last 2 weeks then its just water. Im looking at Breeders Choice Anesthesia and Sannies Herijuana IBL for my next grow, that is if the Herijuana is back in stock, if its not then probably the extrema. I was also looking at the madonna, but I dont want to go over board, plus I will have the freebies to work with, I want the killing kush and el monstre. The others sound so good, but most of the freebies sound more sativa.

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Check my earlier post about the madonna seeds-they're not available.
I've grown the heri and the extrema and I can't say enough good things about extrema. The heri is such a hard stone that it's not a lot of fun, but is great for sleep.
I'm hoping this batch of the annie's germinates. I had one succeed out of 30 seeds, and of course it was a stunted male. Sannie has replaced them twice, but I wasn't going to ask a third time.
The el monstre is pretty stout. I gave some to a friend who has a band and during a break they fired up a bowl. After that band practice was over, for each one was lost in their own little world and playing their beloved instrument was not part of it.
Sannie has a fondness for top quality sativas, which shows in his selections.
Just some rambling thoughts about sannies from my perspective.


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Dst, i dont think im anywhere close to breeding my own seeds lol, still amatuer time here I'll pop seeds only if i cant get a reliable cut. Might look into it in the future though. I had a crop of cheese / spacequeen& some english some time time ago ,the space queen was the only ones from seed(reg) so i asume they fucked the rest, if i knew then what i know now i would never of threw away over 100+ seeds.

Heads thanks for the tip, most of it will be given away before cureing..lol
Ill cure a small toking amount though,glass or plastic?

DST

You might want to check out Genesis 6:14-16 Old Testament lol
Just hope you don't have to use it.


cof

talon said:

Eh, you might be able to salvage that. Get a drinking straw, cut a little 1"-2" section. Take the scissors and cut vertically the entire length of the straw.
You can now open it up and CAREFULLY wrap it around the damaged stem and let it close back to it's natural cylinder shape. You might have to dig the straw into the rockwool a little bit for support.

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Thanks Ill ether try that or what dst suggested she is looking like shes fixing her stem but slowly dying why at it. MY DOG IS PEAKING BIG TIME lol

curious old fart said:

DST

You might want to check out Genesis 6:14-16 Old Testament lol
Just hope you don't have to use it.


cof

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Not being religious a quick google revealed something to do with Noahs Ark...I didn't even bother clicking on any of the links, I just read headlines and assumed Noah was the one you refer too, or am I wrong! haha. I already told the wife we should get an escape dingy! Most people have ladders, we have dingys!

dr green dre said:

Dst, i dont think im anywhere close to breeding my own seeds lol, still amatuer time here I'll pop seeds only if i cant get a reliable cut. Might look into it in the future though. I had a crop of cheese / spacequeen& some english some time time ago ,the space queen was the only ones from seed(reg) so i asume they fucked the rest, if i knew then what i know now i would never of threw away over 100+ seeds.

Heads thanks for the tip, most of it will be given away before cureing..lol
Ill cure a small toking amount though,glass or plastic?

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That's life, "hindsight" my friend.

Hotsause said:

Thanks Ill ether try that or what dst suggested she is looking like shes fixing her stem but slowly dying why at it. MY DOG IS PEAKING BIG TIME lol

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Is that a Yelp or a Bark Hotsause....she looks so sweet! I got one that looks just like that. First set of real leaves are already poking through! The other one I think is not going to be a Work Dog, more like a lazy sleeping dog....which can also be good I suppose. Come on Dog number 2, wake the fek up!

DST said:

Is that a Yelp or a Bark Hotsause....she looks so sweet! I got one that looks just like that. First set of real leaves are already poking through! The other one I think is not going to be a Work Dog, more like a lazy sleeping dog....which can also be good I suppose. Come on Dog number 2, wake the fek up!

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LMAO she is Yelping but in a few days she will be Barking This shit is exciting i dont think i was this excited even on first harvest Since my flowering room is so empty i might pick up a partner for my Blueberry Dwarf hopefully they have some good mother plants today

Hotsause said:

LMAO she is Yelping but in a few days she will be Barking This shit is exciting i dont think i was this excited even on first harvest Since my flowering room is so empty i might pick up a partner for my Blueberry Dwarf hopefully they have some good mother plants today

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Good luck with the clone, the more the merrier mate!!! Let us all know the varieties they have...interesting. You can pick up clones at most grow shops I think (although I have never asked) but most of the ones in NL are Power Plant!

Last time they had Blue Mystic and that was it i will defiantly calling before i go

DST

That was the dimensions for the ark. Thought it might come in handy.

All three of the dogs have popped. The grow is on!


cof

DST said:

Looks like it would work. Question though, what benefit would you get from this since the lights are only moving up and down....sorry, feeling a bit dof this morning.

Peace,

DST

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You could use one light intead of two, and move it from bottom to the top, getting full light coverage for half the cost. Or you could use two lights like I do, and add another tier or two if you have the head room.

strictly seedleSs said:

You could use one light intead of two, and move it from bottom to the top, getting full light coverage for half the cost. Or you could use two lights like I do, and add another tier or two if you have the head room.

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ok, but less light is less lumens, and the sun don't move around like that unless you live in Northern Europe like me and it goes in and out of cloud screens every two seconds, haha.

I think if you are going to have another tier, like you say, you need another light....same way I have mine set up. 2 tiers, two lights.

Plus you are using power to move that light around. And cool tubes are not light in weight so you would need to have very good fixtures...peronsally I still not sure of the point....

And as I type, the Heavens open up again...that bloody sun on the move again, hehe.

curious old fart said:

DST

That was the dimensions for the ark. Thought it might come in handy.

All three of the dogs have popped. The grow is on!


cof

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Ah the dimensions for the ark...handy. Will keep that in mind. I just sent an email to the wife at work to tell her how I had gone and picked dinner up and that the sun had come out and it was like summer again, it was so hot. 2 minutes later....end of days again. Noooooooaaaaaaaah?

DST said:

ok, but less light is less lumens, and the sun don't move around like that unless you live in Northern Europe like me and it goes in and out of cloud screens every two seconds, haha.

I think if you are going to have another tier, like you say, you need another light....same way I have mine set up. 2 tiers, two lights.

Plus you are using power to move that light around. And cool tubes are not light in weight so you would need to have very good fixtures...peronsally I still not sure of the point....

And as I type, the Heavens open up again...that bloody sun on the move again, hehe.

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So then I take it you think light movers in general are a waste. The light mover itself would take up waaaaay less wattage then another 600w ballast. The wieght is substantial, but I think a light mover should be able to move alteast one cool tube. I have seen light movers utlized with great efficiency for horizontal grows. I admit DST, im a little confused as to how you can't see the potential in something like this. I assumed from your grows, that you were open minded enough to appreciate things like this. Im not saying you arent open minded...just not as open as I thought. I think this is a great idea, but my setups are tweaked to the max efficiency already. I will post a pic in a couple days of my new room.

strictly seedleSs said:

So then I take it you think light movers in general are a waste. The light mover itself would take up waaaaay less wattage then another 600w ballast. The wieght is substantial, but I think a light mover should be able to move alteast one cool tube. I have seen light movers utlized with great efficiency for horizontal grows. I admit DST, im a little confused as to how you can't see the potential in something like this. I assumed from your grows, that you were open minded enough to appreciate things like this. Im not saying you arent open minded...just not as open as I thought. I think this is a great idea, but my setups are tweaked to the max efficiency already. I will post a pic in a couple days of my new room.

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hehe, I am as open minded as the rest strictly! but to disagree with something doesn't make you less open minded, it just means I am someone who is not going to agree with everything everyone say's all of the time, that all.

ok, i think it's good if you want to utilise more vertical height and have more plants and maintain the same light usage. My only sticking point in this is, More space utilisation, but without more light.

So effectively if the light mover moves the light say 25% in each direction, that's 25% -50% less light intensity/area you are growing in? or am I being dof again? As far as the other points, power for mover, fitting etc, these are elements that financially would pay for themselves but are part of the cost as well.

Please un-confuse me and make me see the potential.

DST said:

hehe, I am as open minded as the rest strictly! but to disagree with something doesn't make you less open minded, it just means I am someone who is not going to agree with everything everyone say's all of the time, that all.

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I see what you are saying. I think to me this just seems like such a vivid and true hypothesis, that I assume everyone with a good sense of light usage would love this idea. When nick asked about it, I was stoked. because I had never heard anyone talk about the idea before, but I myself had thought alot about it (and would utilize it in my area if i had more head room) and concluded it was a solid idea.

So here it goes. I think that if you removed one bulb from your stack (and this all depends on the hieght between tiers) that putting that remaining bulb on a mover (%25 movement is a good estimate like you said) would not cut your yeild in half, but (just a guess) maybe cut it by %20 or less. The mover is going constantly, slowly, but constantly. The plants in the top of my octo get way less intensity because the cool tube itself stops 1/3 up the plants, so the tops get residual light. These plants yield about %75 of the total average. So if I got a mover going up and down then im sure their yield would increase quite a bit, hence I think the lower plants would lose hardly any yield (I would only require about %10 movement in mine). I think I could actually increase me yield, but again, not enough head room. But I think this could be a more effective way of utilizing energy, then increasing your yield. If you lived in an area like me, where the cost of energy goes up the more you use, then you can see some sickening bills in the mail. Or if you lived in an area where you have reason to fear the power company because they throw red flags (even though you are going by it honestly and not stealing power), then keeping a lower bill keeps your nerves down. I myself am all about utilizing the max efficiency of every aspect of the grow. Less bulbs means less heat, less heat means less A/C, less A/C means a smaller electric bill, and I dont think the power requirements for a light mover outway the total savings. As for the cost of the equiptment itself, I am a serious penny pincher, and I get most of the stuff I buy used for great prices. This is something I have thought alot about, and I can see alot of benefits to doing it.

I would also like to add that i love a good debate, with an intelligent individual, and I believe from what I have been reading on hear for awhile, that your are an intelligent individual. So please dont take my open minded comment as a stab, I simple meant that I thought you would be one of the people to immediatley see the advantages. Its not for everyones grow, but it could be beneficial for others.

PS. im not going to proof read all that cuz im pretty stoned right now.

In the sense of perhaps maximising a space with a specific light and reducing costs, then yes, but the theory of less light stands, imo. It's whether spreading the light perhaps increases the efficiency to the buds on the higher and lower areas of the grow, but I guess that would need to be tested to see if it true, but I can see it working, MJ doesn't actually need intense sunshine on it constantly......

I have some figures and things in mind, gonna think about it an come back to you (since I am re-designing myself - kind of) if I can utilise it to increase efficiency, then we are really talking.

All is good strictly, peace out

DST

I myself am a firm beleiver in the light mover theory. Not sure what would actually happen, but I think it would actually increase yeild. I don't have the interest to think of the specific reasons why I beleive this, but I do. I've read about quite a few people talking of vert light movers. One dude on RIU was all serious about making it... I don't think he ever did though. If he did he's being a hold out and not telling us. I could find the thread if anyone cares. ALso quite a few people on another site I was on were talking about it. Verticalgreen.org is that other site (i think that's it at least).

The biggest advantage I see is the intensity of one bulb could get spread like butter on toast. I see it making the buds on the perimeter of the light when stable much more fat, out weighing the fatness of the buds that get the full intensity with a static bulb (does that make sense). Also the cooling effect of not having the bulb just sitting next to buds.

My dogs are still in their bubble wrap. I basically suck right now, lol. Got a lot of other shit going on and wouldn't want to pop my dogs only to get neglected and die.

1 question. I've never used anything but RO water... and my filter is in peices right now. Is it ok to use tap water? is that what ya'll do? And is the only thing I need to do is leave it out for 24 hours for the chlorine to evap? And pH to 5.8? I sound like a noob, haha.

peace 600.

Oh and on the folair tip... I have this sheit called Liquid Light, that mixed with a wetting agent does some amazing shit. Don't remember what it did enough to describe the difference (I know what use am I, lol)... but I remember thinking THIS STUFF IS THE SHIT. I would highly recommend it if you agree with folair feeding. It's pricey, but for how much you need to use it's actually quite reasonable. Kinda like gravity. Expensive for a bottle... but you only use a tiny bit. Plus with gravity you cut down your other nutes significantly saving money on that end.

End ramble. Haha... you''d think I was stoned or something.

Dude, get stoned quickly, hahahaha.

Ok all you vertical light moving fanatics. logically it makes sense (providing you don't reduce the amount of light you have, lol) If, and I say, if the buds on the outter rims are fattened up. Which I can invision they would be. Not sure I am going to need to incorporate this into my room, but I will see. If so I think the design strictly has come up with should work. I think I would much prefer just to have my tower on wheels so I could move it out if required...ah well. ponder ponder.

And Jig, I just use tap water straight from my tap, no sitting around for 24 hours or nothing, but hey, thats me. I have never ph'd it either.

jigfresh said:

I myself am a firm beleiver in the light mover theory. Not sure what would actually happen, but I think it would actually increase yeild. I don't have the interest to think of the specific reasons why I beleive this, but I do. I've read about quite a few people talking of vert light movers. One dude on RIU was all serious about making it... I don't think he ever did though. If he did he's being a hold out and not telling us. I could find the thread if anyone cares. ALso quite a few people on another site I was on were talking about it. Verticalgreen.org is that other site (i think that's it at least).

The biggest advantage I see is the intensity of one bulb could get spread like butter on toast. I see it making the buds on the perimeter of the light when stable much more fat, out weighing the fatness of the buds that get the full intensity with a static bulb (does that make sense). Also the cooling effect of not having the bulb just sitting next to buds.

My dogs are still in their bubble wrap. I basically suck right now, lol. Got a lot of other shit going on and wouldn't want to pop my dogs only to get neglected and die.

1 question. I've never used anything but RO water... and my filter is in peices right now. Is it ok to use tap water? is that what ya'll do? And is the only thing I need to do is leave it out for 24 hours for the chlorine to evap? And pH to 5.8? I sound like a noob, haha.

peace 600.

Oh and on the folair tip... I have this sheit called Liquid Light, that mixed with a wetting agent does some amazing shit. Don't remember what it did enough to describe the difference (I know what use am I, lol)... but I remember thinking THIS STUFF IS THE SHIT. I would highly recommend it if you agree with folair feeding. It's pricey, but for how much you need to use it's actually quite reasonable. Kinda like gravity. Expensive for a bottle... but you only use a tiny bit. Plus with gravity you cut down your other nutes significantly saving money on that end.

End ramble. Haha... you''d think I was stoned or something.

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Jigfresh-My dogs are in the wrap 2..i wanna get everything finished then start off the right way..i have another secret dog waiting..i was gonna get that liquid light but that and the wetting agent was pretty expensive..im glad 2 hear a good review..as far the water thing goes..thats what i use..sit out for a day then good 2 go..
A vert light mover sounds fairly simple..im surprised there arent any on the market yet..that would be one cool looking grow room..as far as yeild i dont kno what a difference it would make but i think it might increase yield