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DST

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Lol, well, hot tubs or juzcuzzis and the like all use the stuff too! After you had issues with bacteria on your cuttings stems , did you run a high concentration of bleach and water through it for a couple hrs? Once the bacteria has gotten in a cloner, it's really hard to get it out because it lives in every nook and cranny and will come back round after round, even if the Temps are cool (it usually happens from too hot of Temps, but after its established it lives in any Temps really). You'll need to disinfect it, even the foam inserts (I'd suggest buying new ones or boiling them for an hr or so). Good luck man

Ps. Stem rot from cloners is on part with broad mites and root aphids fwiw, really bleach that thing with lots of bleach
Really that bad lol.....
 

AlphaPhase

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Really that bad lol.....
Yea. That bad and sometimes worse. I know alot of people that have just thrown them out because it comes back every time no matter what they do to clean the cloner (I stopped using the cloner Oldman has last August because of it and that's when I started using calcium hypochlorite). Plastic is porous believe it or not, and bacteria can hide on microscopic holes in the plastic that bleach can't get to. The best bet when using an aerocloner is preventive measures, because once bad stuff happens it's game over and might as well buy a new one or use root plugs. Cloners are all good until it goes bad, literally. If you're in an area that you had your stems turn to mush and also slimy? Then you need prevention.
 

AlphaPhase

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You can also use ewc tea I hear, but I haven't tried. Either bennies or sterile, you NEED to pick one in hydro, I've been at it for 10 years in straight hydro now, and there is no I'm between
 

AlphaPhase

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If you don't believe me, I bet @Aeroknow can shed some light. He has as much experience in hydro as I do, we probably have the most hydro experience on rui hands down. It's no joke and you're worst nightmare unfortunately :(
 

AlphaPhase

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What's wrong with the collar? It's the only way you'll kill the pathogens man. They swell a little, yeah, but the point is to kill the bad stuff and be able to reuse them OR buy new ones as mentioned, do you want them pretty and killing clones or funky but rooting clones ;) BOIL THEM TO SAVE CLONES!!!
 

AlphaPhase

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These were all boiled. And clean. If it's a matter of keeping things pretty I wouldn't do it, if it's a matter of keeping clones rooting and the veg room in tact do it, you're choice champ. 20150809_000033.jpg


So please, please, no more info that is wrong on riu, I can not stand all of the wrong info here :( really, it hurts my growing pride trying to help others. I've mentioned I've been growing a while, well it's true and I know so much correct info about growing that can help people, but there's so many times I try to help and crap like that. Don't do that, or no way that's not right. Well, in fact...it is right. See, I only speak when I know what I am saying is correct and will benefit the riu community. I'm trying to sound like a dick because maybe this will get through to some people, that some people here do know what they are talking about and want to help. Sorry, I kind of went off there ey? But shit, so much crap info here it's sickening :(
 
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DST

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AP. Ffs I have done all your suggestions. Boiled. Bleached. Thrown away cuts (even rooted ones ) but there must be a better way than boiling neoprene...just saying.
Pretty, ugly, whatever.....There no way to use this as it just falls through the hole lol...
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R1b3n4

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AP. Ffs I have done all your suggestions. Boiled. Bleached. Thrown away cuts (even rooted ones ) but there must be a better way than boiling neoprene...just saying.
Pretty, ugly, whatever.....There no way to use this as it just falls through the hole lol...
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yeah absolutely no point boiling them n screwing them up when new ones can be bought for 2-4p each in bulk

How is it coming along with the cloner now? going any easier yet?
 

DST

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Hahaha....erm no. Not really going to well. I have 1 rooted cut though.
I have bleached, boiled, cleaned and I am about to replace. Keeping temps to around 23 to 24.
You got a link for new collars Saer?
 

R1b3n4

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Hahaha....erm no. Not really going to well. I have 1 rooted cut though.
I have bleached, boiled, cleaned and I am about to replace. Keeping temps to around 23 to 24.
You got a link for new collars Saer?
Strange you are having so many problems with it tbh, with mine it was just a case of take the cut, make angled cut, whack in collar, whack collar in cloner and ignore for 10-14days lol, out of interest do you have any pictures of the pump/sprayer assembly etc? surprising few pics of the insides of the 40 site online

With the neoprene, most hydro shops sell them but they are available thru ebay/amazon as well etc, takes a while to look thru the listings for the cheaper sellers tho

This site does them for 35p each in 50`s/100`s

http://www.mellowyellowhydro.co.uk/systems-xstream-aeroponic-propagators-xstream-aeroponic-parts.irc

Or because of the cost of buying ready made collars a lot of ppl just grab a sheet of neoprene and cut the collars themselves with a 2" hole punch or similar etc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-NEOPRENE-PLAIN-SPONGE-FOAM-RUBBER-SHEET-VARIOUS-SHEET-SIZES-THICKNESSES-/261338185781?var=&hash=item3cd8f84035
 

DST

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Cheers bud. Yeh I think it's just the freak weather. It's been over 30 here since I got the dam thing haha.
Here's a pic of the sprayer.
Re the collars. I would probably recommend sterilising them in the microwave like in a baby bottle thing. Probably help with the mishap in thing.
Anyway
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R1b3n4

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Cheers bud. Yeh I think it's just the freak weather. It's been over 30 here since I got the dam thing haha.
Here's a pic of the sprayer.
Re the collars. I would probably recommend sterilising them in the microwave like in a baby bottle thing. Probably help with the mishap in thing.
Anyway
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hmm i have an idea...............quick question, your pump in the cloner, which model is it? MJ250/500/750 etc etc?

Dont worry ive answered my own question lol

Long story short i think the flow rate thru the sprayers is too high/powerful etc, the spray coming out of those sprayers is multiple times more powerful than what i had in my 12 site and even in my 12 site i had to turn pump down as far as i could, think there is too much water and not enough oxygen getting to your cuts etc

I may be wrong but it wouldnt hurt to borrow a adjustable pump and attach it to your sprayer assembly and see if a lower flow rate works better for you/the plants etc
 
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