Club 600

Cool-tube came the other day, Ballast being sent next weekend, and i would post an image of the 600 bulb for kicks if i had a camera.

i got one Apollo 600 and a 400 mh of the same brand, shame they're under par at 86,000lumens with the hps, anyone know the good brands to get?

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VIVLA LE 600!

86,000 lumens is only a bit under what a more expensive bulb puts out, and the PAR rating of a bulb is more important to the plant than the lumens output, so I'd just do a grow or two under the Apollo bulbs to find out for yourself before committing to spending more money on other bulbs.
In a 4-foot x 4-foot, or 1 meter x 1 meter area, and bulb oriented horizontally you should be able to yield between 8-oz and 12-oz in dirt.
Possibly more than that if grown in hydro and/or doing a vertical "arena" grow under a 600w if all things go well (i.e. pests kept at bay, proper heat range in your grow environment, proper feeding, good root health, etc).
There are a few people here in the 600 who use Phillips & GE bulbs that are rated at the same lumens as the Apollo, and they grow the killer stuff and get as good a yields as with more expensive Eye Hortilux and Digilux bulbs.
If the extra money is no worry, then you won't go wrong with investing in Eye Hortilux or Digilux gear, and you can keep the Apollo bulbs as back-up bulbs just in case.
But unless the Apollo bulbs burn out too quickly, they will be just fine.

Yea my eye hortilux 600 puts out 88,000. Per their website And i was growing dank for years with no name generic bulbs.

I'm real happy with my USHIO hps bulb..puts out 97000 Lumens! Cost me $70 on amazon..shipping included. Why skimp a few bucks on something as important as bulbs...aint like we're talking several extra Benjaminz or nuthin'..ya know?

$30 here, $30 there all adds up to a benjamin pretty quick.
I won't badger someone to spend more money for marginally-to-negligibly better results.
Which is why I always say "If the extra cost is no biggie to you, then go for it.", as it's no skin off my ass.
But some of us are on pretty extreme budgets, and $30 per bulb extra can mean the difference between going hungry for a few days, or having food in the refrigerator.
Or just being able to get out with a buddy or two for some brews.
Or a movie with the old lady.
Or shoes for their kid.
No sense in spending more than necessary.
Hell, I do buy Eye Hortilux, but I'm able to drive up to Portland to my favorite grow supply store and get them for $67, and if it is faulty, I can return it to the store and not have to wait on the mail, and a local store gets incentive/money to stay in business for my other cannabis grow needs.
If I couldn't get the Hortilux for that price, I'd buy the less expensive bulbs and not feel bad about the results, because it's not worth fretting over if the yields are close to the same.

I use $30 bulbs, in faceted my 600w is cheap bulb, and I have a eye hortilux in my other, both are making nice fat buds.

Lumens, is not really what to look for in a bulb.

I'm a new grower still, but one thing I learned is lumens is just part of the story, of a good bulb.

I'll I can see out of the bulbs is that the hortilux has a more white light, then my cheaper bulb.But as far as bulbs, the buds, look the same?

I'm waiting on an Apollo 600 watter to get here.... It should be here by monday...I've got 208 CFL watts on them right now in a DR150 II and I can't wait to be a part of CLub 600!

209 Cali closet grower said:

I use $30 bulbs, in faceted my 600w is cheap bulb, and I have a eye hortilux in my other, both are making nice fat buds.

Lumens, is not really what to look for in a bulb.

I'm a new grower still, but one thing I learned is lumens is just part of the story, of a good bulb.

I'll I can see out of the bulbs is that the hortilux has a more white light, then my cheaper bulb.But as far as bulbs, the buds, look the same?

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The Hortilux is just an enhanced spectrum bulb, so it adds more blue spectrum while lit up than a regular HPS bulb.
The added blue helps a bit with reducing stretch (so it's claimed) and gives a small boost to the overall spectrum that our plants crave.
I don't doubt that it works as advertised for the most part, just not sure it's worth the extra cost because it's all I've used for 4 years.
Definitely want to try a grow with a normal HPS bulb just to see for myself if it's worth it.
But, again, some of the guys in the 600 use "no-name" HPS bulbs from Lowes/Home Depot places, and I've had the privilege of sampling their buds, and it's just as good as any I grow (or better), and the pics are always being posted here in the 600, and you would never know it was grown using a bulb that cost less than $50 compared to a $70 to $100 name brand bulb.

So, too-long-of-a-story-short: it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other. If you have the extra money, then buy whatever makes you happy. But if you're on a budget, you shouldn't worry or feel bad about a decent bargain bulb, because it's going to do you just fine. And if you find good deals on the internet for the high-end bulbs, then jump on it, because you never know when the price will get jacked up, or a sale price will end.

talkwithSAMSON said:

I'm waiting on an Apollo 600 watter to get here.... It should be here by monday...I've got 208 CFL watts on them right now in a DR150 II and I can't wait to be a part of CLub 600!

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My first two grows were using household CFL bulbs.
Used 8 of the 23watt bulbs, and got about a half an ounce of killer weed off of the first plant I grew, and then 3/4 of an ounce of the second plant.
With a 600watt, I'm up to about 1.5-ounces per plant to 2-ounces per plant, and can fit 5 to 8 of those plants in a 4x4 grow space, depending on how big I want to veg them.
My new closet is only 2x3 feet, and I can still fit 5 or 6 plants in there, and should still be able to get 1 to 2 ounces per plant (fingers crossed).

Looking forward to seeing your grows as they progress!
We always need new seedling/veg/flowering/bud/smoke pR0n here in the 600

I've used bulbs from growbright to hortilux with no noticable difference. I'm currently running these digital bulbs-$48 and I'm well satistied with the results....from High Tech Garden Supply
Digital Plus 600w HPS Lamp
Product Number: LAM-DIG600HPS




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The Digital Plus High Output 600 Watt HPS Lamp is designed by the world’s leading HID lamp engineers to withstand the higher frequencies generated by digital ballasts that cause other bulbs to fail prematurely. Engineered and manufactured with precision, they provide exceptional performance and longer bulb life on electronic ballasts. The Digital Plus delivers 95,000 lumens of an optimized spectrum with 30% more "Blue Light" wavelength for optimum plant development.

One year warranty.



is anyone else as frustrated as I am with this unreadable security bs?

209 Cali closet grower said:

I use $30 bulbs, in faceted my 600w is cheap bulb, and I have a eye hortilux in my other, both are making nice fat buds.

Lumens, is not really what to look for in a bulb.

I'm a new grower still, but one thing I learned is lumens is just part of the story, of a good bulb.

I'll I can see out of the bulbs is that the hortilux has a more white light, then my cheaper bulb.But as far as bulbs, the buds, look the same?

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Lumens actually do mean a lot. Spectrum is very important of course, but lumens are the part of the equation that determine penetration effectiveness. The higher the lumen output of the correct spectrum, the higher the PAR value, the deeper the penetration, the greater the light's efficiency.

I'm using some old ass bulbs right now, they're working fine but I can see the node spacing is increasing and the penetration power is not as good as it used to be. I'm inclined to go with cheap bulbs as well and just replace them every 60-90 days. I tend to go way to long for replacement though.

Have a great weekend 600, heading to a hippy music festival. Taking 5 or 6 strains and a buttload of A-Team hash. A liter of vodka and a case of hippy beer. Sunday's hangover is going to hurt! They have a crazy disc golf glow forest there every year, its bad as all hell, will try to grab some pics to share. This is one of my only weekends off from work all summer, I've been working 70-80 hours of week since May so I'm pretty stoked to just get ripped in the woods for a cpl days.

SB

I am glad I'm not the only one who is having a hard time reading them things

I have to refresh the image about 10 times to get a readable one.
They are either so ambiguous that guessing would be less than 50/50 on getting it correct, or one of the words is missing the top or bottom half of the letters.

I have noticed that my posting seems to go right through when I have AdBlock turned off (google chrome).

And great info on the bulbs, too, though the images didn't show up for me.
I'll be in the market for a new bulb this coming autumn, and am going to try something other than Hortilux.

I love getting more bang for my bucks, just like the Tomato-Tone or Jobe's Organics Vegetable & Tomato fertilizers!
That stuff works so good, is only $8 for a 2-lb bag, and you only need to add 1/3-cup per 5-gallons of soil when amending, and then a boost after 6 weeks to keep it potent.
I ended up buying two extra bags so I don't run out during the off-season so I don't have to order it from somewhere when Fred Meyer's or Ace Hardware cut back on their gardening supplies in Winter.
I do add 1/4-cup of kelp meal to the 5-gallons of dirt to give a modest boost to the available nitrogen, and the plants love it!

Sounds like you're set for a great weekend, SB

Yeah, I forgot to add the penetration that a higher lumens will allow for.

I've been working on vegging for a shorter period of time in combination with LST, so penetration isn't as critical.
For a taller plant with more undergrowth, you'll want as much penetration as possible.
But for LST, or SCROG, or lollypopping, maximum penetration is almost a non-issue.

Thinking back a few years, I used to veg until the plants were about 2-ft tall before flipping to 12/12.
Now I shoot for a maximum height of 2-feet or so by the end of flowering.
I love how adaptable these plants are

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DoobieBrother said:

$30 here, $30 there all adds up to a benjamin pretty quick.
I won't badger someone to spend more money for marginally-to-negligibly better results.
Which is why I always say "If the extra cost is no biggie to you, then go for it.", as it's no skin off my ass.
But some of us are on pretty extreme budgets, and $30 per bulb extra can mean the difference between going hungry for a few days, or having food in the refrigerator.
Or just being able to get out with a buddy or two for some brews.
Or a movie with the old lady.
Or shoes for their kid.
No sense in spending more than necessary.
Hell, I do buy Eye Hortilux, but I'm able to drive up to Portland to my favorite grow supply store and get them for $67, and if it is faulty, I can return it to the store and not have to wait on the mail, and a local store gets incentive/money to stay in business for my other cannabis grow needs.
If I couldn't get the Hortilux for that price, I'd buy the less expensive bulbs and not feel bad about the results, because it's not worth fretting over if the yields are close to the same.

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I'm talkin' spendin' an extra $30-40 bucks over the entire life of a bulb...Doubt anyonez gonna go hungry over that..Shit...I'll do without the brew if I "know" my results will be noticeable which I'm pretty certain they are with this OSHIO bulb vs the no name I used before. This bulb btw goes for quite a bit more than $70 in most places so I feel like I done good...I'm seeing some pretty stellar results! I can understand if you're talking 2-3-4+ reflectors but I'm just runnin' one so...Here's three weeks into flower with 2-Barney's LSD up front and 2-Violator Kush in the rear... Can't swear what I'll do re: bulb$ when I get another ballast/reflector....but for now this bulbs sweet as acid!

EDIT: disregard that lower attachment..no idea how it got there

Shwagbag said:

Lumens actually do mean a lot. Spectrum is very important of course, but lumens are the part of the equation that determine penetration effectiveness. The higher the lumen output of the correct spectrum, the higher the PAR value, the deeper the penetration, the greater the light's efficiency.

I'm using some old ass bulbs right now, they're working fine but I can see the node spacing is increasing and the penetration power is not as good as it used to be. I'm inclined to go with cheap bulbs as well and just replace them every 60-90 days. I tend to go way to long for replacement though.

Have a great weekend 600, heading to a hippy music festival. Taking 5 or 6 strains and a buttload of A-Team hash. A liter of vodka and a case of hippy beer. Sunday's hangover is going to hurt! They have a crazy disc golf glow forest there every year, its bad as all hell, will try to grab some pics to share. This is one of my only weekends off from work all summer, I've been working 70-80 hours of week since May so I'm pretty stoked to just get ripped in the woods for a cpl days.

SB

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I never said it didn't?

All I'm saying is some people think, that's the main thing in decide on a bulb.

It was for me 5 months ago''noob move'', lol^^

Sup 600'ers
My 1200w room on the end of week 4. except for og kush and deep purple on week 3 almost

waz shain' mane...lookin' good bro...I forget...whatcha runnin' above those again? all hps?what kind again? and yer nutes?

waz shain' mane...lookin' good bro...I forget...whatcha runnin' above those again? all hps?what kind again? and yer nutes?