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Doogan
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Has anyone tried a multi-light and varied style light in a room with a plant/light ratio 5:8....?
In detail,
12'x12'x8' room, 5 plants in 45gal, x4 (600w) vertical MaxLume free hanging in-between the plants, x4 (600w) OGs in the corners....sometimes ill use and LED above the center plant.....
This so far this has yielded, at best, 687g/plant.
In detail,
12'x12'x8' room, 5 plants in 45gal, x4 (600w) vertical MaxLume free hanging in-between the plants, x4 (600w) OGs in the corners....sometimes ill use and LED above the center plant.....
This so far this has yielded, at best, 687g/plant.
ttystikk
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Okay, you have my attention. I'm not visualizing what you've done, can you explain further? Maybe some pics? That's an extremely respectable number.
Doogan
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12'x12' room, 8' ceiling. Sealed room for CO2 and temps. 5 plants in a "5Dice" style. OG (Maxlume or Ushio) 600W in each corner. Each side (2 OGs) are on vented circuits for heat reduction. Then Hanging free without a tube (nothing but a socket assembly) 600W between each plant...... Sometimes an LED over the center plant. Fans on the floor pointed up toward each vert socket light. A/c units in each room. Temps @ 72-78F. CO2 1100ppm. No nutes in veg, just soil mix. Nutes in bloom @ 1100ppm-1800ppm early organics, synthetics most of the way and taper off to flush with organics.
ttystikk
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Lights in the corners were horizontal or vertically oriented? Did they have reflectors or was there something on the wall?
I was drawing this out yesterday. It seemed pretty straightforward other than how the lamps in the corners were set up.
I like the relative simplicity of your setup, as well. No need to overcomplicate things!
Pics would still be worth the proverbial thousand words...
Doogan
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Sorry man, no pics. The OGs or MARS hoods are hung vertically in each corner. This type of reflector/hood acts like a "Mag-light" with the bulb pointing straight at the plant and the reflector diffuses and disburses the light. The hood allows for heat reduction, "Each side (2 OGs) are on vented circuits for heat reduction." Since these style hoods are almost a Triangle in shape (relatively) they fit in the corners. The internal socket assembly sticks out from the top of the hood so since they and hung vertically the top of the hood is in the corner. I also use a socket extender to bring the bulb out more into the center of the reflector. Not to the ceiling but at the level of the canopy....this goes for all of the lights. So basically, the 4 plants in the corners have 2 vertical free-hanging 600W on each side and an OG/MARS 600w (in the corner). The center plant has 4 vertical 600w fee-hanging...sometimes Ill use an LED above top-lighting) the center plant. So the picture of the "5-dice".... Each dot is a plant. The corners have the OGs and in-between the plants on the sides of the room are the vertical hanging. Ill use a rigid trellis around each plant so that they don't burn and also helps with rotating the plant a 1/4 turn daily.
These plants usually are in a veg cycle for 10 weeks before flowering is started (from clones not seeds) So they are pretty large for indoor. They are vegetated in a separate room with top lit T5, 18-24 hours (on), strain dependent. No nutrients except beneficial bacteria and maybe some seaweed during the veg. Maybe a foliar once in veg wit beni and seaweed. Right before bloom phase ill use an organic/synthetic mix for a foliar spray to ensure no bugs/mold/disease. Kyle Kushman has a recipe to use for this.
And actually right now I started this last crop with using the Biowave and added more CO2. Results pending....
Thats it!
These plants usually are in a veg cycle for 10 weeks before flowering is started (from clones not seeds) So they are pretty large for indoor. They are vegetated in a separate room with top lit T5, 18-24 hours (on), strain dependent. No nutrients except beneficial bacteria and maybe some seaweed during the veg. Maybe a foliar once in veg wit beni and seaweed. Right before bloom phase ill use an organic/synthetic mix for a foliar spray to ensure no bugs/mold/disease. Kyle Kushman has a recipe to use for this.
And actually right now I started this last crop with using the Biowave and added more CO2. Results pending....
Thats it!
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Doogan
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So the OG or MARS hoods look like these So as you can see they are taller than most hoods. The top is put into the corner and the vents go vertically. The pic of the room isn't from me. It does show a similar look but without the OGS and more plants. On the floor Ill use a fan on the floor pointing straight up toward the vert lights.
Doogan
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Pruning is an obvious part of the growth cycle from beginning to end. So in early veg minimal pruning, as to not shock the smaller plant. Once they go into 15gal/57L pots they recover for a week or so from Xplant and then a 1/4-1/3 lollipop. Another Xplant to 45gal/170L pot, recover, then since the plants are much larger a small amount of lollipoping just to take lower branches and leaves before flipping. Also pruning the inside or "hollowing" the plant before flipping. This utilizes all of the usable plant to only be left for light exposure. So basically the plants canopy is like a natural dome shape. If this isn't done the inner buds will be under developed and really useless and the plant will tend to shed from the inside anyway. So it just aids in the plants developement in this type of environment. The lollipop isn't always necessary if growing smaller plants since the light is able to penetrate much more efficiently, but with larger plants the height of the vertical bulbs and OGs really do not adequately synthesize (like that) the lowers with most of the light at mid to upper level of the canopy (8 foot plants)...
Doogan
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between each plant on the side..like the picture
ttystikk
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Right, just like I do... I'm finding it fascinating that you're using so many fewer watts.
Doogan
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Each room is 4800w. I did extensive testing and research on bulbs. I found the bulbs that suited my environment best. High or super RED HPS were it. I PPM feed at around 1200-1850. In my top lighting room I'm using AC/DE 1000w x2 over 10 plants in 15gal. I got over 1800g total last harvest.
ttystikk
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Is that ppm on the EC x500 scale? What substrate?
Doogan
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Water/feed every 3-4 days. They are nearly dry when each feed is needed. I use a 2 part, seaweed, beni, epsom, HiBrix, Hawaiian bud, humans, enzymes, and some others here and there. 1800 is high...I only go that high on occasion. Normal is 1200 id say
Doogan
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I want to learn hydro. Seems difficult. I have been afraid of a complete disaster from one mistake.... From what I've heard hydro is like making pastries. Everything has to be measured accurately for it to work. Do hydro systems require daily or regular check ups as opposed to soil for any changes?
jigfresh
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In my experience hydro is WAY WAY WAY easier and more strait forward than soil. So so simple. It might sound like rocket science, but it's not. Fill a tub with water, measure in the nutrients, adjust pH and watch the plants blow the fuck up. 
The best thing about hydro in my mind.... you don't have to be around all the time to water the plants like soil. I've left my hydro system running all by itself for 14 days. No one opening the door to the closet for 14 days. Everything was fine. Except the plants grew too much.
I really hate growing in soil at the moment. I can't go away for a weekend because someone needs to be here to water the stupid plants. grrrrr
The best thing about hydro in my mind.... you don't have to be around all the time to water the plants like soil. I've left my hydro system running all by itself for 14 days. No one opening the door to the closet for 14 days. Everything was fine. Except the plants grew too much.I really hate growing in soil at the moment. I can't go away for a weekend because someone needs to be here to water the stupid plants. grrrrr
