CNS17 Regimen

Hey All, so i got a DWC grow going. And I am using CNS17 Grow and Bloom. Was going to get something else, a dry nute. But he steered me towards CNS17 being it a liquid. Also he did not try and push/ sell Ripe on me. Do I need it? Opinions?

Also, I have seen in another thread that some people throw in a little Epson Salt for mag. Is this needed? And if so, what are people using for a dosage. I have 3 - 5 Gal buckets.

I have not added anything else, changing res every 10 - 14 days, and using fresh squeezed lemon juice for PH Balancing.

What am I doing wrong? Plants seem good. Although my older one, about 3-4 weeks old, has a slight upward curl to a few leaves, still nice and green though. Pics later.

How are the roots?

CNS17 contains sugars, and I'm very skeptical about adding anything organic to DWC, specially sugars. As you can read in the Heisenberg tea thread, I ran into trouble the moment I by mistake added some sugar to my res. Also, citric acid is both organic (food for bacteria) and decomposes quickly loosing its ability to regulate pH.

Interesting, ok, I did not know it contained sugars, I also don't know much about what I'm using either.... My ignorance to this is amazing... And also, about the lemon juice was also ignorant about, I took the info from another thread somewhere, sound familiar?

#1 Plant - about 4 weeks old. Some brown spots on roots, starting a thread about that in a few hours when i can get pics. Had lemon juice before nute change two days ago. for the first three weeks i was using slightly treated tap water. A table spoon of lemon juice to drop my PH.

#2 and #3 - About two weeks old, yes, using nutes, and those roots are perfectly white, and thriving. Although since switching to RO water, never added lemon juice to these two. These two, have ONLY seen RO Water.

I'm not a dwc expert, I'm actually just trying it out myself, but I have browsed through quite a lot of gardening forums, and what I found is that DWC is most prone to root problems, so you want to keep as few parasitic microorganisms in your res as possible. Best way to do that seems to be keeping it simple with the nutes (basic mineral nutes only) and adding a bit of benenficials so that badiies have to compete real hard even for the dead root matter that will unavoidingly be present. That way, there is little chance for them to multiply enought to cause trouble between rez changes. If you put enzymes, root stimulators, organic nutes, molases and other organic stuff in there, all those nasty little creatures in there will have plenty of food to reproduce on as much as they want. Companies and grow shops will try to convicne you that you need to buy all that stuff, but I highly doubt most of them even do anything. Your plant roots are submerged in an aerated nutrient solution thats formulated specially for its needs, so it's already in a near ideal enviroment and hardly needs more suplements to help it further.

Soooo what your saying is, what I have done caused this....

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Is the brown stuff just a stain on the roots, or is it slimy brown snot sticking to the roots? If it's the latter, it's brown algae thing. In that case my advice would be to empty your bucket, sterilize the whole system as best you can, wash the roots in a stream of water and let it bubble in RO water with some H2O2 (I put 100 mL 3% in 5 gal bucket (4 gal of water)), After about 24 hours do another rez change, clean the system again and put in just some inorganic nutes and some benies (either brew some microbe tea or just put in some (I use great white)). Clean often untill all signs of trouble are gone.

Ok, I ran my finger acrossed it and it was not slimy. Just Wet. I could be wrong though, what is the level of slimy? Like youll def know? Or is it a fine line between wet and slimy?

Heres my other two, just in case you wanted to see

Those roots look really nice.

There are fifty shades of slimy
Since you have it only on one plant and only on some parts i'd rule out nute stain and conclude you are having some kind of biological buildup. Have you tried spraying some water over it? If by doing that you see a layer coming off, that means trouble. Also pay atention to how the tily root hairs move when water passes them. If they are glued up together, that means trouble.

No I haven't tried to spray water or mess with them of any type. I will now. Stand By.

The other two, have had a lot better treatment than #1. Better pots, and better water, plus no Lemon juice.

So, I just pulled it up, checked the roots again. The brown comes off a little with touch and some water... the tily roots are spaced too far apart to get glued together, but no signs of it trying to.

Could it be the lemon juice and tap water from its initial dosing? It is now sitting pretty in some clean RO water, plus nutes. I wonder if it will repair itself to be like its sisters, or I wonder if the other two will develop around the same time (4 weeks).

CNS-17 is great stuff. And there is NO SUGAR in it, it is pure minerals, no organics at all. http://www.botanicare.com/CNS17-Grow-Formula-3-1-2-P61C2.aspx read the MSDS. No you don't need ripe. Stuff works great all by itself, 1-2ec.

don't use lemon juice as ph down, that stuff IS organic.

i didnt think there was sugar in it. Im also not familiar with all those fancy words they use.

Clarification: The first two weeks in the DWC it was fed lemon tainted tap water and the CNS17
The third week ( started two days ago ) it is in RO water with CNS17

Lemon juice is now no where in my system.

"Once diluted in water, these simple sugars hydrolyze and provide the added benefit of becoming a highly available energy source for beneficial microbes and plants."

"Pure Blend Original is an organic compost solution to be used as a supplement with standard plant foods. Pure Blend Pro is a hydro-organic, stand alone plant food to be used as the primary fertilizer. It is beneficial for both hydrogardens and soil gardens."

"Q: Can I use humic or fulvic acid with Liquid Karma or Pure Blend Pro?
A: No, it is already included in both formulas"

Either MSDS isn't listing everything, or the description is wrong.

Spanky84 said:

"Once diluted in water, these simple sugars hydrolyze and provide the added benefit of becoming a highly available energy source for beneficial microbes and plants."

"Pure Blend Original is an organic compost solution to be used as a supplement with standard plant foods. Pure Blend Pro is a hydro-organic, stand alone plant food to be used as the primary fertilizer. It is beneficial for both hydrogardens and soil gardens."

"Q: Can I use humic or fulvic acid with Liquid Karma or Pure Blend Pro?
A: No, it is already included in both formulas"

Either MSDS isn't listing everything, or the description is wrong.

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pure blend is a totally different solution. in either case, i believe you have misinterpreted the ingredients based on a single rather misleading line. they should not use the term sugar to represent the salts present in their solution. but there are only salts. the msds is everything, the description is wrong in that case. i've been using it for a long time now as a one part with beneficial tea and there is most certainly never growth related to sugars. but given that stupid line in the description, i see where someone could get the wrong idea now. shit maybe i'm wrong.