Co2 burners ......need to verify some things ....stop in

I'm not sure about anywhere but here and I'm only dealing in agro/dairy but the fields can only have certified organic nutrients and poop. If so much as a pesticide from an adjoining farm blows in to the field it will lose creditation for 5 years.

justugh said:

ok guys just know .......

1) 51% organic and 49% chemical is still thought as organic = FALSE
2) the ppl growing 100% organic can not afford to stay in biz = FALSE
3) the yield it makes vs the cost of everything will bankrupt anyone = FALSE

4) do your 48 darkness so the cells in the plant have nothing to make the smoke harsh= FALSE
5) just to keep a strait face and not be a lier at least 51% of the feed mix has to been organic based .....= FALSE

6) u have grown organic hydro

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I love ya but sorry, I believe you have been misled on all 6 points

chemphlegm said:

I love ya but sorry, I believe you have been misled on all 6 points

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how am i wrong ....to just say someone is wrong with nothing else to it is not help it opinion ....if u want to debate put something to back up your statement

1 yes is it is as long as the feed is most organic then it is thought of as organically grown
2 show me one person growing weed 100% organic that has made it more then 2 years in the retail market ....it can not be done they will go bankrupt with permits testing fees feed cost vs the amount of over all volume they can sell .....400 bucks a batch test now anything under 2 lbs testing is not worth as the market is only allowing 1800 a lb

3 the cost of all organic feed is much more then chemical feeds and the amount they yeild is under chemical feed then u have to rem u need to treat for pest and micro imbalance.....then u have the feed itself once u break that seal most of them say 9 months if u store in cool room wit no direct light .......so buying in bulk is not a option unless u are running a massive field

4 hmmmmm yah that is 100% right that is common sense when it comes to making top shelf weed for sale it clears the last of anything in there that will give it a harsh taste and make the glands look prettier (assuming u were smart enough to use UVb light on them )

5 again your wrong .......if the feed plan is most organic then it is organically grown (as for pesticides and fungicides and all those keep a clean area use filters on the intakes ) never once had a issuse in 5 years that caused me to use anything along those lines

6 again mostly organic it is thought of as organically grown

its 95% btw, not 51% and Not "most" to be organic..... but if you make up your own rules to judge by sure, 51% might work lol
there is no organic cert for marijuana so any standard you may be thinking is fantasy and conjecture.

you believe that some uv light and some pure water for a week will magically clear your plant of "the last of anything in there that that will give it a harsh taste" is troubling at this stage of marijuana cultivation/progression.
. do you have a feeding chart that shows a 7 days of pure water for me to study? I never seen one.

thats a couple points to ponder, there are more and I can tell your heels are dug in, I got no desire to uproot you or your ideals.
just pointing out a couple very well known facts that dont jibe with your opinions.

and # 3...are you serious? read your thoughts slowly= "3
1the cost of all organic feed is much more then chemical feeds No it isnt
2and the amount they yeild is under chemical feed No its' not
3then u have to rem u need to treat for pest and micro imbalance No you dont
4.....then u have the feed itself once u break that seal most of them say 9 months if u store in cool room wit no direct light Um what?

I grow organic style and have proven 1,2,3,4 ^^to be false year after year after year.

I didnt say you were wrong only misled, and I still believe it.

chemphlegm said:

its 95% btw, not 51% and Not "most" to be organic..... but if you make up your own rules to judge by sure, 51% might work lol
there is no organic cert for marijuana so any standard you may be thinking is fantasy and conjecture.

you believe that some uv light and some pure water for a week will magically clear your plant of "the last of anything in there that that will give it a harsh taste" is troubling at this stage of marijuana cultivation/progression.
. do you have a feeding chart that shows a 7 days of pure water for me to study? I never seen one.

thats a couple points to ponder, there are more and I can tell your heels are dug in, I got no desire to uproot you or your ideals.
just pointing out a couple very well known facts that dont jibe with your opinions.

and # 3...are you serious? read your thoughts slowly= "3
1the cost of all organic feed is much more then chemical feeds No it isnt
2and the amount they yeild is under chemical feed No its' not
3then u have to rem u need to treat for pest and micro imbalance No you dont
4.....then u have the feed itself once u break that seal most of them say 9 months if u store in cool room wit no direct light Um what?

I grow organic style and have proven 1,2,3,4 ^^to be false year after year after year.

I didnt say you were wrong only misled, and I still believe it.

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i will be back to give u a good debate

right now in the middle of repairing my computer ........fucking SSD drive fault i am going back to the old mech ones ....day or 4 before i am back i got alot to fix and caught up on with only 3mbs better then dail up ........

chemphlegm said:

its 95% btw, not 51% and Not "most" to be organic..... but if you make up your own rules to judge by sure, 51% might work lol
there is no organic cert for marijuana so any standard you may be thinking is fantasy and conjecture.

you believe that some uv light and some pure water for a week will magically clear your plant of "the last of anything in there that that will give it a harsh taste" is troubling at this stage of marijuana cultivation/progression.
. do you have a feeding chart that shows a 7 days of pure water for me to study? I never seen one.

thats a couple points to ponder, there are more and I can tell your heels are dug in, I got no desire to uproot you or your ideals.
just pointing out a couple very well known facts that dont jibe with your opinions.

and # 3...are you serious? read your thoughts slowly= "3
1the cost of all organic feed is much more then chemical feeds No it isnt
2and the amount they yeild is under chemical feed No its' not
3then u have to rem u need to treat for pest and micro imbalance No you dont
4.....then u have the feed itself once u break that seal most of them say 9 months if u store in cool room wit no direct light Um what?

I grow organic style and have proven 1,2,3,4 ^^to be false year after year after year.

I didnt say you were wrong only misled, and I still believe it.

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got it to a working state at least .........still have to get all the programs i lost SSD drives are a good idea but i am not getting one again untill 10 years from now work out the bugs and get something in a TB at least 256gbs is just to small for me

1 it is basic if u use 51% organic feed the plant is thought of as organically grown if u use 51% chemical feed it is chemically grown........that is just basic grade school logic
1a really think about it is how they sell items all the time ......look at food in the stores they list organic ingredients on the package but at the end there is always something chemical added in for some reason but because the bulk of the materials are organic they sell it as organic

2 flushing a plant is basic growing how do u flush a plant ........well organically u just use water and pass about 1.5 times the amount of soil in water removing anything u built up in the soil ......as for the UV that makes more resin weight it is just smart to use it as it makes your trim give u oil returns in the 10-15% range just like bud runs .......the killing of the light for 3 days is another trick to make the plant look prettier for sale and it also makes the plant empty out of what ever is in the cells given u a cleaner smoke.........flushing a plant is the simplest thing in the world ( if u are using chemical feeds as your base u are flushing the plant of salts about every 3-4 weeks )

3 really ........ok look at any store anywhere .........compare the prices of what chemical feed cost (plus the power of it ) compared to organic feed
3a sorry i know for a fact that is right 6 years of experiments with weed ,........the best combo is a mostly organic feed with chemicals added in to push the plant
3b yah u need to keep the micros in balance organic is the best for this as it feeds the micros ...chemical kills them off the salts so u need to resupply them ......as for bugs organic stuff can work but it takes several apps of it to control the issue (PM white flies gnats )
3c .....u did not know that organic based feeds have a shelf life once they have been cracked up .....best u can do is about 9 months (this is stored cool out of direct light and never allowing cross contamination from other feeds )....the feeds them self say this on the bottles

i am not misleading i run the numbers .........if u are willing to bust your ass and take a lower profit margin that is your call .......i want to make 5 million bucks in the next 12 years and retire at 50 .....i know my product and the numbers (hell hydro is the best for profit margins little more work but the yield and the numbers on the test in the end make up for it 3 fold)

i personally needs to sell 4 lbs a month to cover all the bills plus put 1000 bucks in cash in my pocket end of the month ..........can do that off 2 plants running hydro or 4 to 5 plants in soil (auto plants )

we start here;

1) USDA- "Produce can be called organic if it’s certified to have grown on soil that had no prohibited substances applied for three years prior to harvest. Prohibited substances include most synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. t (see other considerations in “Organic 101: Allowed and Prohibited Substances”). https://www.usda.gov

2) can you tell me exactly what running 1.5 x the water:soil does for the plant? I'm still learning, but I know that this will not affect flavor, effects, overfeeding. I thought this kills beneficial orgs, removes oxygen from the root zone, and slows down bio activity immediately.

I spent hundreds a month growing with Dutch Masters Gold compared to 100 bucks every quarter for my organic fert needs. not sure how that relates to commercial auto flower production, but I save a fortune yearly using organic composted dry fertilizer with no expiration date on dry composted fertilizers.

and thank you for being civil. I enjoy exploring this and am open to new concepts. I used to think it was the salt ferts that fired up growers on this subject....lol

chemphlegm said:

we start here;

1) USDA- "Produce can be called organic if it’s certified to have grown on soil that had no prohibited substances applied for three years prior to harvest. Prohibited substances include most synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. t (see other considerations in “Organic 101: Allowed and Prohibited Substances”). https://www.usda.gov

2) can you tell me exactly what running 1.5 x the water:soil does for the plant? I'm still learning, but I know that this will not affect flavor, effects, overfeeding. I thought this kills beneficial orgs, removes oxygen from the root zone, and slows down bio activity immediately.

I spent hundreds a month growing with Dutch Masters Gold compared to 100 bucks every quarter for my organic fert needs. not sure how that relates to commercial auto flower production, but I save a fortune yearly using organic composted dry fertilizer with no expiration date on dry composted fertilizers.

and thank you for being civil. I enjoy exploring this and am open to new concepts. I used to think it was the salt ferts that fired up growers on this subject....lol

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1 hahahahaha i know farms that put shit on the field and they claim it is organic ......they use it in the first few weeks of the plants life so it does not show up in testing in the final product .......hell if i knew that was the wording i would of blackmailed there asses some of them were majors dicks

2 flush removes any left off feed that is still in the soil .........try it once on 1 strain u have 2 plants for .......flushing it removes all the left over food and also strips away what is left in the soil so there is nothing left the plant can really pull in from forcing it to use the last of the chemicals it sucked up from the soil in it cells .....it makes a smoother smoke ( have u ever hit some weed that snap crackled or popped when there was no seed inside ......that is from the left over chemicals in the cells of the plant ....makes the smoke harsh ........u want to pull a 2 foot bong clear the hitter in one and blow out with very little cough that is what flushing does).......and if u used chemicals in your feed like fox farms lines it removes the salt build up that kills off the micros and puts the PH out of balance

debating is fun plus not in TnT so civil is the standard .....TNT all rules are off (that is what i was taught )

justugh said:

1 hahahahaha i know farms that put shit on the field and they claim it is organic ......they use it in the first few weeks of the plants life so it does not show up in testing in the final product .......hell if i knew that was the wording i would of blackmailed there asses some of them were majors dicks

2 flush removes any left off feed that is still in the soil .........try it once on 1 strain u have 2 plants for .......flushing it removes all the left over food and also strips away what is left in the soil so there is nothing left the plant can really pull in from forcing it to use the last of the chemicals it sucked up from the soil in it cells .....it makes a smoother smoke ( have u ever hit some weed that snap crackled or popped when there was no seed inside ......that is from the left over chemicals in the cells of the plant ....makes the smoke harsh ........u want to pull a 2 foot bong clear the hitter in one and blow out with very little cough that is what flushing does).......and if u used chemicals in your feed like fox farms lines it removes the salt build up that kills off the micros and puts the PH out of balance

debating is fun plus not in TnT so civil is the standard .....TNT all rules are off (that is what i was taught )

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welcome back!
what is TNT?(i'm outta the loop)

I do know about flushing. used to grow with bottled nutrients, their feed chart showed the ppm's lessen at the end of flower for a week(memory?) I did run pure water at res change for a minute or so to prevent salt buildup on my hydroton. I have had weed that was pushed, fed to its max to the end and you are right it sucked..
so I subscribed to the fact that the issue was over feeding, not under flushing.
when I followed the directions there was no two week flush and all was superb.
I dont use bottles now instead organic composted chicken shit, added throughout the flowering cycle and water only to the end.
I end up skipping the last addition because I usually see undissolved compost remaining in the top soil. I've added it to the end with no issues also.
I will say I found the max these plants can take without issues or over feeding organically. I hate fert chems these days. I can taste over fed plants and when I do I say you overfed, never mention flushing is all. I'm thinking they are closely related and share may ideals.

chemphlegm said:

welcome back!
what is TNT?(i'm outta the loop)

I do know about flushing. used to grow with bottled nutrients, their feed chart showed the ppm's lessen at the end of flower for a week(memory?) I did run pure water at res change for a minute or so to prevent salt buildup on my hydroton. I have had weed that was pushed, fed to its max to the end and you are right it sucked..
so I subscribed to the fact that the issue was over feeding, not under flushing.
when I followed the directions there was no two week flush and all was superb.
I dont use bottles now instead organic composted chicken shit, added throughout the flowering cycle and water only to the end.
I end up skipping the last addition because I usually see undissolved compost remaining in the top soil. I've added it to the end with no issues also.
I will say I found the max these plants can take without issues or over feeding organically. I hate fert chems these days. I can taste over fed plants and when I do I say you overfed, never mention flushing is all. I'm thinking they are closely related and share may ideals.

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TnT stands for the section called Toke and Talk

organic is where the taste comes in but adding the fox farms powder trio (open seame beastie bloom and cha ching ) will increase the weight of the plant more then enough to justify the cost of the feed .......i been grown for 6 years now i used almost every feed out there including littler start up organic (lama poop)

just know the dry stuff u are talking about i think of them as soil augments .......not feed feed is the stuff u add into the water to give to the plants

right now the best results i seen in soil is with a super strong supersoil mix with just feed to push the plant more (personally i like to see the tips of the leaves get little fried i know the feed is to strong then i back it down and hold there for life of the plant to make it produce most it can

gh grow ...organic
gh bloom ....organic
rapid start....chemical with horomons
b-52 ...chemical (lit multi vits for plants)
honey by humbolt ....organic
bud candy.......50/50 mix really chemical organic
and fox farms trio ....power house chemicals ( use these a total of 7 ot 8 times so no need to flush just make sure bloom is 10 or 12 mls to help the micros)

justugh said:

rapid start....chemical with horomons

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Save your money. Take it from me, I've wasted boat loads of money on root enhancers over the years. The best root enhancer is starting with good roots. Ive used the roots excel, the rapid start, and a few more. Better roots now then ever before not using any rooting enhancers. Lets face it rapid start is expensive buying it on a larger level.

a mongo frog said:

Save your money. Take it from me, I've wasted boat loads of money on root enhancers over the years. The best root enhancer is starting with good roots. Ive used the roots excel, the rapid start, and a few more. Better roots now then ever before not using any rooting enhancers. Lets face it rapid start is expensive buying it on a larger level.

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it is but out of all of them it does the best .....and with auto plants it is all about the root mass u can get in shortest time ( no transplanting autos they do not take it well if the roots stunt do to small planter that is all she wrote it will not produce enough to justify the cost of feed and testing and your work )

rem auto plants are about 76 days total life from the time it goes in as a seed to the time u cut it down .........u do not have 3 months of veggie

all the feeding and tricks i learned on autos are passing over to photo plants with great results