co2 & dryice

This is my 1st indoor grow there son. I've grown many a successful crop outdoors babygrow...and BTW where the fuck are your plants??? I dont' see no pictures kid. Anyways we will see on my next grow, and I dare you to compare. Babygro just remember intelligence isnt' always based upon experience. Most of this is just common sense, unlike what you've shared so far.

And BTW it's not because large animals (dinosaurs) exhaled more c02, it was because volcanic activity was higher when the dinosaurs where around creating more c02 in the atmosphere.

Ohhhh, and there we have it, gee thanks SmokerE, that makes some sense.
Peace

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And BTW it's not because large animals (dinosaurs) exhaled more c02, it was because volcanic activity was higher when the dinosaurs where around creating more c02 in the atmosphere.

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Interesting little debate unfolding here. 2 co2 or not to co2?
Even though it seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Babygrow, you should come out of your growroom every now and then, and smell the co2! hehe
Personally i always understood it that plants, in general, use c02. So why not provide a source of this c02. Surely it would not harm your plants to give them something that they actually use.

Do you take vitamins? or do you have a hardline approach on them too?

I have setup a homemade co2 generator in my closet grow. Simple contraption made from a 2 litre soda bottle, half filled with water,
into which i put a cup of sugar and then a few tablespoons of unactivated yeast.
Gave it a quick shake and then put the adapted lid on.
I prepared the lid earlier by drilling a hole in the top and inserting some aquariam type tubing. Partly, so i can direct the flow over my plants, and of course, avoid blowing me and my plants up!!
Now to me, it seems that this has helped my plants alot. Nice folliage etc.

I am comparing my plants to a grow my friend is doing with the same seeds, at the same time, under the same amount and wattage cfl's.
Only difference is my co2 generator.

I shall be posting up pics soon.

flametop out.

Nature Helps those who Help themselves!!

Babygro, do you leave your artificial lights on 24 hours a day during the veg cycle? Or do you try to mock to natural progression of sunlight through the seasons? Aren't you just forcing your plants to unnaturally veg 24 hrs a day to speed up production? If you were truly interested in growing all natural indoors you would not be forcing your plants to grow 24 hours a day, rather you would imitate the progression of the seasons with a progression of lighting times.

I will use any and all supplements to increase the size and quality my yield, as long as it doesn't harm me when I smoke it. Period. I used CO2 (yeast/sugar method), molasses, Superthrive and 2 other ferts on my current grow. I also thought of this dry-ice method and will use it on my next grow this summer.

videoman40 said:

Dude, there is no substitue for the sun. Any artificial light, is just that.... artificial. There is no way you can duplicate the suns powers indoors

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I don't ever recall stating that you could duplicate the suns light intensity indoors, I merely stated that the plant cannot differentiate between artificial light and natural light. Plants grown under natural light and plants grown under artificial light will always grow differently.

videoman40 said:

The co2 statement regarding the levels found on this planet years ago are easily verified. Go do your own research.

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I don't think I really need to bother doing my own research. As I said earlier, the plant genetics we mostly grow indoors in artificial environments now have simply not been exposed to nor used to the higher levels of co2 that many people now feed them.

videoman40 said:

I am not going to waste my time arguing with you, as it always falls on deaf ears. The difference with you and most people here, is that most are here to help each other, you on the other hand, as evidenced by your PM's to me are here to try to prove yourself as some self proclaimed grow guru so that you can profit off of them by selling them bs scheme on a "no effort grow" that you are producing. The key word here is self proclamed.

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Strange how you come out with the 'I'm not going to waste my time...' comment each time I dismantle whatever argument you're trying to make this week... If you recall, it was you yourself that requested me in a pm to make a comment on this thread. I did so and said perfectly clearly and concisely why I did not use c02 supplementation myself, nor intended to use it but said that each to their own - I don't use it but don't have a problem with those that do, if that's their choice. Yet now I'm being hounded to justify my own views on this which I felt I'd made perfectly clear.

Neither am I a 'self proclaimed grow guru'. Like in many subjects I have fairly strong opinions and views on how things should be done and I'm certainly not afraid of expressing those opinions, nor stating what my view is and my reasons for holding it and then defending that opinion. I've never stated that my way is the right way either. I've always stated what I do and why I do it, but others can please themselves what they do.

Regarding my 'business idea' I happen to share with you, I simply don't see the relevance of it in this discussion. It's certainly not a 'no effort grow' system at all, but a utilisation of new technology to provide a 'constant information feed back system' of the types of information that people need to make informed decisions about their grow operation. It would take the 'guesswork' out of decision making. By pricing it at a realistic 'hobby price point' everyone gets to benefit from a computerised system that helps them make better growing decisions - how can that be a bad thing? I also don't see how I'm 'profiting of them' when these systems already exist in the market place at prices way out of reach of your average home grower.

videoman40 said:

If you were sincere, you wouldnt be tossed out of every pot growing forum all over the internet. It dosent take a depth of knowledge to help another person, just some honest sincerity, and to not be demeaning, the way you are to everyone

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Neither have I been 'tossed out' of every pot growing forum over the internet. I've never been 'tossed out of any forum' - I contribute to a number of forums, of which this is one. But perhaps you have some evidence of mybeing 'tossed out' of pot growing forums you'd like to share with everyone?

I'm perfectly happy to share my knowledge and experience with anyone patient enough to want to listen to it. What I won't do is sit by idly and watch my opinions and views get attacked and demeaned - I will robustly defend my opinons against all comers - and I don't really care who they might be. If someone's going to attack my opinion then they better be prepared to 1) defend themselves and their own opinion and 2) know what they're talking about. Two qualities rarely found around here unfortunately.

stratdude said:

Babygro, do you leave your artificial lights on 24 hours a day during the veg cycle?

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Nope.

stratdude said:

Or do you try to mock to natural progression of sunlight through the seasons?

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Nope.

stratdude said:

Aren't you just forcing your plants to unnaturally veg 24 hrs a day to speed up production?

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Nope, don't have my plants on a 24/0 lighting schedule..

stratdude said:

If you were truly interested in growing all natural indoors you would not be forcing your plants to grow 24 hours a day,

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Which I don't..

stratdude said:

rather you would imitate the progression of the seasons with a progression of lighting times.

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Irregular lighting times is one of the biggest causes of phenotypical hermaphrodites of any of the artificially induced plant stresses which is why I keep to an 18/6 veg cycle and a 12/12 flowering cycle.

Thanks for your input though.

flametop said:

Babygrow, you should come out of your growroom every now and then, and smell the co2! hehe

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You're new here and already having a pop at some of my opinions, do you think that's a particularly wise thing to do?

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I am comparing my plants to a grow my friend is doing with the same seeds, at the same time, under the same amount and wattage cfl's.
Only difference is my co2 generator.

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Don't waste your time (or money) with co2 supplementation if you're using cfls - it will make very little difference if any at all. But as you've chosen unwisely to take a pop at some of my views, I'll leave you to figure out why

Dude, you like to side step issues, twist people words, change the meaning of your own words to suit you, & attack people and demean them in an attempt to make yourself feel important.

You did say that a plant cant tell the difference between artificial light and the sun, thats just plain wrong. If it were true indoor growers wouldnt have problems with the bottom of there plants producing "sucker buds".

It was appearant before you made that statement that doing your own research was not in your schedule.

You haven't dismantled anything of mine baby.
I've heard you 1000 times say to people, how tired you are of saying blah blah blah as you try to teach them something that you believe, yes you do come off as a self imposed, self absorbed, grow guru.

I have received letters from members in another forum about you, but I guess tossed out, was a bad choice of words, it was more like laughed out of the forum.

I do like your choice of words though, "you contribute to a number of forums" hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Peace

I don't see the point to this debate. Baby, if you don't like CO2, don't use it. End of story. Unless you have scientific evidence that shows it has no effects or harmful effects, leave well enough alone. Obviously many on here and elsewhere believe it's doing good for their plants. If I believe it helps and I want to spend my money on it, what's it to you? MYOB is a good credo to live by sometimes.

well if you flip back about 3 pages then you would see that nobdy asked babygro for her/his opinion so...... he/she could have minded his/her own business............. so.......... bye bye

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hearmenow said:

I don't see the point to this debate. Baby, if you don't like CO2, don't use it. End of story. Unless you have scientific evidence that shows it has no effects or harmful effects, leave well enough alone. Obviously many on here and elsewhere believe it's doing good for their plants. If I believe it helps and I want to spend my money on it, what's it to you? MYOB is a good credo to live by sometimes.

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The last time I looked this was an open forum where people were free to give their views and opinions on a variety of subjects - 'mind your own business', I don't think is in keeping with that 'open forum' philosophy, do you?

Nevertheless, I was asked by the thread starter for my opinions on this thread and if you bother to look at my post #12, you'll see, that I was quite clear in what I said - I don't use it myself, because it doesn't fit in with my own 'growing philosophy' but I know many people do - so each to their own.

A fair number of people come across problems with co2 supplementation, partially because they're either inexperienced or don't fully understand the best situations and environments to use it in. I'm not going to go into any of that, because sometimes it's best people figure things out for themselves.

since you know about the negative outcomes why wouldnt you share them??? so far, on this site, NOONE has given any negative feedback about co2.............. why not share?? do you WANT people to fuck their grows up or what?>??

"sometimes it's best people figure things out for themselves". Exactly! You offered your 2 cents and people can either follow it or ignore it. Debating this issue is senseless, IMO. I think we all want the same thing, at least I think we do, which is to grow some potent big buds. From my point of view, anything I can do to assure that, I will give a try as long as it's safe and cost efficient.

This is my first post on this forum, possibly my last. I have read literally hundreds of posts, and all I have to say is that I genuinely hate Babygro..I just want to fuckin strangle him! Argumentative fuck! That is all, happy trails and free the BC-3!

stableboy said:

This is my first post on this forum, possibly my last. I have read literally hundreds of posts, and all I have to say is that I genuinely hate Babygro..I just want to fuckin strangle him! Argumentative fuck! That is all, happy trails and free the BC-3!

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Intelligence sometimes comes across like this to those who don't or choose not to understand. Usually he's right, except for CFL's.

stableboy said:

This is my first post on this forum, possibly my last. I have read literally hundreds of posts, and all I have to say is that I genuinely hate Babygro..I just want to fuckin strangle him! Argumentative fuck! That is all, happy trails and free the BC-3!

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Get the goodbye thread ready. Why would you leave over one person? I know a place you'd fit right in.

I guess I was wrong, and that was not my last post, lol. I came back to this site to check out the Weed Nerd! This is my second ever post, but probably not my last. Is babygro still around? Does he use CO2 now? LMAO