Cob heat vs qb heat question

ChrispyCritter

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Sorry I know this has probably been answered and I've used the magic answer box but my lil brain can't figure this out. I use a 300 watt and a 400 watt cob fixtures. I run them full power to flower. One has adimmer one has a veg/flower switch. MySpace is 32" wide and 9 ' long. My space is too hot now by about 5° -10 degrees even with a/c and it's sealed for co2. would comparable qbs make a difference heat wise? Thanks a lot. I don't quite understand efficiency as it relates to heat.
 

Boatguy

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Sorry I know this has probably been answered and I've used the magic answer box but my lil brain can't figure this out. I use a 300 watt and a 400 watt cob fixtures. I run them full power to flower. One has adimmer one has a veg/flower switch. MySpace is 32" wide and 9 ' long. My space is too hot now by about 5° -10 degrees even with a/c and it's sealed for co2. would comparable qbs make a difference heat wise? Thanks a lot. I don't quite understand efficiency as it relates to heat.
How hot are you getting now?
 

fragileassassin

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Do you have space outside of the grow space that youd be able to mount your drivers remotely? Could save you a few degrees if you can get them somewhere else.

I aim for 82F (without co2) while flowering under my LED panels I have to use a heater to get it over 75 because it only sits about 5F warmer than it is outside the tent.
 

fragileassassin

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If you're getting that hot, running qbs at full strength probably wont be all that much better.
Imo, you could probably benefit from more fixtures spaced closer together but run at a lower max power.
 

Rocket Soul

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The question of what heats up more is very debated; laws of physics say that a watt in the box no matter what is a watt of heat. But afaik real life measurements dont allways agree; my suspicion is that whatever the temps on your heatsink matters aswell: if the hottest part of your light is just a few degrees more than ambient it doesnt tend to heat as much as if they are +20-30 degrees. So a well designed light running the diodes soft might be a solution. I would try to dim down and lower the lights a bit until you hit 85F. See how much you can cover with your current lights and new lower power levels and hanging height. Make sure your heatsinks arent running very hot. And based upon what your results are make a light that makes up for the rest of the space. But realistically youre allready at around 30w per square foot it might be a tricky problem.

As for new light id recommended qbs run at 50ish watts each or even less. The V1 qbs are only 29$ so you can easily pick up 2-3 to do the wattage that youd normally use 1 for. You can do decent heatsinking by using a 1/8" alusheet, with a 2" lip around the boards.
You could do even better with V2 boards and/or hlg heatsinks but it makes the build more expensive.
 

ChiefRunningPhist

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Sorry I know this has probably been answered and I've used the magic answer box but my lil brain can't figure this out. I use a 300 watt and a 400 watt cob fixtures. I run them full power to flower. One has adimmer one has a veg/flower switch. MySpace is 32" wide and 9 ' long. My space is too hot now by about 5° -10 degrees even with a/c and it's sealed for co2. would comparable qbs make a difference heat wise? Thanks a lot. I don't quite understand efficiency as it relates to heat.
Your air will only get as hot as the hottest tech. If your light operates at 88F, your air won't ever be 89F. The air needs energy to heat up, so the max temp it can ever be is possibly the temp of the hottest thing in the room.

1W in a box is 1 joule of energy added every second to a box, it's a rate. Air is only a fraction of the mass in the box that absorbs this energy. "Ambient temperature" is ONLY referring to the "air temp," so how much of that energy is absorbed by the air is what's important when talking about how much "heat" a light creates.

If your COBs are hot, then your air can also have the possibility of being hot. If you run the COB wattage but through QB's, or more COBs, your operating temps won't get as high and your temp should come down. Then it'll be a matter of the heat capacity of your room and how thermally conductive it is that will decide the rate of temp increase per watt of EM, or visible light (neglecting your AC).

Imagine a 5gal bucket with a hole in the bottom. As soon as you start to fill that bucket with water, a little bit will start to leak out the hole. Initially your rate of water going in is greater than the rate of water going out the hole, so the bucket fills up slowly. But then it gets to an equilibrium point where the rate of water going in equals the rate of water going out. If you added more holes, the water would drain faster and your equilibrium water level would drop, conversely if your filling flowrate increased the equilibrium water level would rise. The equilibrium water level is the air temp. How many holes are in the bottom of the bucket, is like how well your room transfers the EM energy it absorbed away. The size of the bucket is like the heat capacity of your room, the more mass it has the more energy it can hold without increasing its temperature, or how much water you can add before the water level rises an inch (or air temp raises 1°), like the difference between a 5gal bucket and a kiddie pool. If you've only 1 hole, your container is small, and you're pouring water in fast, or running lots of wattage, then your water level is going to rise quickly and your final equilibrium water level will be quite high before equilibrium is met. If your container is large but has only 1 hole, and the flow rate is normal, then it will take quite sometime for the water level to rise, the hole may offset the filling flow rate to the point that you don't see hardly any temp increase, and then the 12hrs of time with lights off, or the filling hose shut off, the drainage hole has been able to drain any buildup it had accumulated throughout the day. You could have a small container, high flow rate, but a high amount of holes and not notice much water level rise. Also, if the outside air or adjacent room is warm, it'll have an effect like reducing the number holes in the bottom of the bucket. Heat travels from hot to cold, so if it's hotter outside, then your room will have to be just a hair hotter before it will begin to conduct any energy away.

You can see now that there's a few factors involved when it comes to ambient temp increase and lighting. Some people may have huge increases to ambient, while some may not even notice it. The thermal conductivity of a wall or barrier, the outside temp, the mass of the wall/barrier all contribute to how a room will transfer energy, but your air temp will never be hotter than the hottest thing in the room. Keep the hottest things cool, and your air temp will also be cool. :cool:

Also maybe sealed is your gal, but I think exhausting old and bringing in fresh is a good way of maintaining CO2, also a bit cheaper to remove heat that way, but just my opinion, I don't use CO2 so I can't really give a legitament comment on growth comparison with or without.
 
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ChrispyCritter

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Super great info in those rel!ies. Thank you so muvh. I think my a/c is undersized for my room. It's 10000 btu and since I ran a water cooled room with 8500 btu chiller before I thought I'd be good. Id like to move my drivers out of the room but I think I'll try dimming my one dimmable light first. I use co2 mostly so I can leave the room sealed because venting will be a challenge. Thanks again.
The plants a look amazing. No signs of stress or deficiency and the ight are about 12-18" above the tops. I try to stay 1 8" + by they are stretching now.
 
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